Plastic Bottles & E-Liquid
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I can attest to this happening with my juice also. I wished all vendors would use glass or at least offer it for those that would rather it. I have been looking at getting glass bottles to transfer my juice to but every where I look they want to sell more than I need. Anyone have links to glass bottles in small quantities ?
I know that VG & PG come in plastic bottles, but Nic & flavorings are sold in glass. I don't know the types of plastic used for the VG & PG, but those substances are far more inert than Nic & Flavorings. My concern with Nic is that it does eat at the plastic bottles.
It's the vendors who mix it & sell it in the cheapest containers available to them.
The companies like Johnson Creek & Halo are positioning themselves for regulation, when glass bottles for nicotine will be mandatory.
It's the vendors who mix it & sell it in the cheapest containers available to them.
The companies like Johnson Creek & Halo are positioning themselves for regulation, when glass bottles for nicotine will be mandatory.
You say: I do see reason to panic, you don't know the long term effect that vaping this plastic can lead to. So I guess you know the long term effect of vaping alone since your not worried about that? Think we all need to focus,and concentrate on the major effect of vaping alone, if any first. Just my opinion here, people have been drinking out of the same type of plastics for years in tons of food products, just saying. Your just giving them more ammo for regulation here. Soon you will be paying $30 for a 10 ml bottle made by pharmaceutical Co being the only way liquid will be sold. Be careful what you wish for.
Quote=Vchick = If you're getting juice that does that within days I'd be more afraid of the juice you're using, I've yet to have this happen. Also, because a vendor ships in glass, do you know that all of the components of your juice didn't come from plastic containers to begin with? Saying that all other vendors are sub-par and not 1st class for not doing what you think is the thing to do is outrageous.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion however, stating it is in what you believe to be fact, is baseless without specific documentation.
Now your putting words in my mouth that I didnt say Vchick, I never said that those vendors are subpar, ( In fact I never mentioned a vendors name in this thread, and I wont, because it's about plastic bottles and I have nothing against any vendors ) I said I'm not buying from vendors if there using plastic bottles., = me personally NOT BUYING FROM THEM ! thats what I said. Please dont change my words. You and everyone can make your own choice too, I made mine, long ago too and I'm not buying juice in these type of plastic bottles, and I have that right to make my own decision and post it.
And maybe I just do know the process the vendors that I buy from use and how they store there liquids as well.
I didnt state anything other then what I'm seeing in plastic bottles, and the FACT that I'm never using them anymore, in fact, I asked for a chemist to confirm or state his opinion about what I'm seeing happening in some plastic bottles
You're certainly entitled to your opinion however, stating it is in what you believe to be fact, is baseless without specific documentation.
Now your putting words in my mouth that I didnt say Vchick, I never said that those vendors are subpar, ( In fact I never mentioned a vendors name in this thread, and I wont, because it's about plastic bottles and I have nothing against any vendors ) I said I'm not buying from vendors if there using plastic bottles., = me personally NOT BUYING FROM THEM ! thats what I said. Please dont change my words. You and everyone can make your own choice too, I made mine, long ago too and I'm not buying juice in these type of plastic bottles, and I have that right to make my own decision and post it.
And maybe I just do know the process the vendors that I buy from use and how they store there liquids as well.
I didnt state anything other then what I'm seeing in plastic bottles, and the FACT that I'm never using them anymore, in fact, I asked for a chemist to confirm or state his opinion about what I'm seeing happening in some plastic bottles
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There are numerous vendors who sell glass bottle ambientech,,, search around, DIY vendors, I'm not going to mention vendors names in this thread, you can PM me if you want I will steer you to glass bottles if you like
This thread at the very least has me rethinking what my juices should stay in for an extended amount of time. However this is really one of those occasions that I would love to be able to hear from some of the vendors what they think about the plastic versus glass situation.
I do believe tho that a couple of the reasons vendors don't use glass has to do with 1) cost 2) legal issues (breakage in transit)
I do believe tho that a couple of the reasons vendors don't use glass has to do with 1) cost 2) legal issues (breakage in transit)
@Smokie,
water in a bottle is different then a powerful chemical mixed with other additives, personally I'm not so concerned over price, but more with whats in my juice
I'm more interested in hearing from some chemist, and scientific Data then hearing from vendors or anyone else about what can happen with Nic and additives in these soft plastic bottles. I'm also not looking to argue, but more so hear about Facts. If what I see in some bottles is nothing, and if my taste-buds are faking me out, then I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time or last, but I'm still keeping my juice and Nic in Glass.
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While this is a very good topic of discussion... my one wonder is this:
Bleach, acid, and other highly corrosive chemicals are stored in near similar plastic containers, for years... and the plastic is fine. So are the mixtures we're vaping even more corrosive than said chemicals? You have me curious mwa...
Bleach, acid, and other highly corrosive chemicals are stored in near similar plastic containers, for years... and the plastic is fine. So are the mixtures we're vaping even more corrosive than said chemicals? You have me curious mwa...
Their are Vendors who offer Glass bottles, and if not, ask them if they could put into one for you if not send them your own glass bottles to fill this way you will be environmentally friendly by reusing your own glass bottles. The only issue I see is dripping with them, hate those droppers they stink for ecigs. Vapers will wind up transferring from Glass to plastic for the purpose of dripping anyway. I could think of 10 things off the top of my head that might have LONG TERM EFFECTS when it comes to vaping and this is not one of them. Seems someone just needs something to post to get attention or start controversy. As a 4 year vaper we have been using these bottles for years with no reported effects ever.
@ Loft
I'm as curious as you are my friend, only thing about those other chemicals like bleach and Acid is you aren't vaping those, so it doesn't matter what the inside of those thick plastic bottles looks like. Nic however is a different chemical, and Cinnamon and some other flavorings and additives can do some odd things, combine that with storing it in these soft LDPE-HDPE plastics and long term vaping it is possibly a different story I believe.
I'm as curious as you are my friend, only thing about those other chemicals like bleach and Acid is you aren't vaping those, so it doesn't matter what the inside of those thick plastic bottles looks like. Nic however is a different chemical, and Cinnamon and some other flavorings and additives can do some odd things, combine that with storing it in these soft LDPE-HDPE plastics and long term vaping it is possibly a different story I believe.
@Smokie,
water in a bottle is different then a powerful chemical mixed with other additives, personally I'm not so concerned over price, but more with whats in my juice
I'm more interested in hearing from some chemist, and scientific Data then hearing from vendors or anyone else about what can happen with Nic and additives in these soft plastic bottles. I'm also not looking to argue, but more so hear about Facts. If what I see in some bottles is nothing, and if my taste-buds are faking me out, then I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time or last, but I'm still keeping my juice and Nic in Glass.
You guys make me LAUGH, worried about bottles and what the liquid might do to the inside of your plastic bottles, but never mentioned who, where, how your liquid is made, in their filthy basement, a bunch of cats next to them, in a roach or rat infested home, someones bath tube as a mixer, the guy who never washes his hands after using the bathroom then mixes liquid, their kids running around with colds sneezing all around the liquid, the list can go on, and on. AND YOU BUY FROM THEM NOT KNOWING. I am am not saying this is true for all vendors, some do have clean sterile labs, but but far, and few do. You just all make me laugh, take a moment, and think about this.
Wouldn't the flavors eat through the bottles every one of the flavor companies use if that were the case, MWA?
And smokie, you are being absolutely ridiculous......
And smokie, you are being absolutely ridiculous......
Wouldn't the flavors eat through the bottles every one of the flavor companies use if that were the case, MWA?
And smokie, you are being absolutely ridiculous......
Ripple, every flavoring company I know of uses Glass
I'm not paying attention to ridiculous post Ripple, so dont let any of them bother you, this is a serious matter in many a peoples minds.
I have a great camera and I'm trying to take some close up pics of what I'm seeing so I can post them, I think this will help, only problem is I'm having trouble focusing very close up and getting the right pics, downloading them now
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Someone suggested using those 5 Hour energy drink bottles, so I use those as a compromise between the cheap plastic bottles and glass if I know some juice is going to sit for a while.
They're easy to strip/clean, opaque, hold 50+ml, keep Sharpie ink fairly well, and I've seen some dated to expire 18 months in the future so I figure they must be good at least that long.
I assume glass is better, but I throw down one or two of these a week anyway, so they're free and easy and convenient for me. Also, I have tipped more glass juice bottles over than I care to remember. Maybe it's just me, but I'll be a monkey's patootie if I haven't knocked over every glass bottle of juice I have bought.
They're easy to strip/clean, opaque, hold 50+ml, keep Sharpie ink fairly well, and I've seen some dated to expire 18 months in the future so I figure they must be good at least that long.
I assume glass is better, but I throw down one or two of these a week anyway, so they're free and easy and convenient for me. Also, I have tipped more glass juice bottles over than I care to remember. Maybe it's just me, but I'll be a monkey's patootie if I haven't knocked over every glass bottle of juice I have bought.
Smokie makes a good point, although a little over the top...
I also assume the OP is doing this over in the plastic bottled water forums, and plastic beer bottle forums since it's known of the current toxic emissions for them as well. Of course this is speculation on all accounts at the moment.
Like it or not; the human race has surrounded itself in a toxic world
I'm just saying
I also assume the OP is doing this over in the plastic bottled water forums, and plastic beer bottle forums since it's known of the current toxic emissions for them as well. Of course this is speculation on all accounts at the moment.
Like it or not; the human race has surrounded itself in a toxic world
I'm just saying
Like I said dreezy562, many of the 1st class operations use glass, I will only buy from vendors that use the glass as well, there are some good ones out there too, I mostly DIY everything these days, All my NIC is also stored in either the Brown or Cobalt Blue glass bottle and right in the freezer it goes, that's a different story and thread though.
Quote=Vchick = If you're getting juice that does that within days I'd be more afraid of the juice you're using, I've yet to have this happen. Also, because a vendor ships in glass, do you know that all of the components of your juice didn't come from plastic containers to begin with? Saying that all other vendors are sub-par and not 1st class for not doing what you think is the thing to do is outrageous.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion however, stating it is in what you believe to be fact, is baseless without specific documentation.
Now your putting words in my mouth that I didnt say Vchick, I never said that those vendors are subpar, ( In fact I never mentioned a vendors name in this thread, and I wont, because it's about plastic bottles and I have nothing against any vendors ) I said I'm not buying from vendors if there using plastic bottles., = me personally NOT BUYING FROM THEM ! thats what I said. Please dont change my words. You and everyone can make your own choice too, I made mine, long ago too and I'm not buying juice in these type of plastic bottles, and I have that right to make my own decision and post it.
And maybe I just do know the process the vendors that I buy from use and how they store there liquids as well.
No, I only cut quotes from 2 of your posts to make some points, but for the record and before you edit another post, (your original post, which you went back and edited 5 hours later) here they are in their entirety.
Here's the proof in the pudding of what I'm talking about below, you all can ramble on all you want, but this is the bottle that held juice in it, it is the same 30ml bottle that many a vendors use every day. I took pics in the dark under a light so you could see the inside of the bottle and what it looks like. If I may make a suggestion, maybe some others can look at there plastic bottles and see if they see what I show or if there bottle has a hazed look to it like it is almost melted inside the bottle but smooth on the outside please
Yes I edited and made some spelling corrections and fixed some mistakes in my sentences. Vchick, however I have nothing to hide here, it is exactly what Im saying it is. The bottle are doing just as my pictures show. I have no reason to bring this topic up for any other reason then I am concerned and want some closure on what's going on with these plastic bottles. I will not go back and forth and argue with You or anyone else, that is not what this thread is for, it is to get to the bottom of what I'm seeing and tasting with plastic bottles, THAT'S ALL, please, just bear with me and lets talk about the facts, that's all I ask
Edit: I cant be the ONLY one that this is happening to, please check the bottles you have and if anyone else is seeing what I have pics of showing, please speak up and let us know.Thank You.
Edit #2,, I did remove the label off of the bottle, so the one spot in the middle of the bottle is from the sticker coming off the bottle
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The same exact thing has and was happening in the 6ml bottles in my bottom feeder Mods that everyone else uses, I surely can not be the only one that this is happening to, so please lets hear from others and see what there 6ml bottom feeder bottles look like, if you would be kind enough to let us know or show pics, thank you.
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