Plastic Bottles & E-Liquid

[mwa102464]

If you read this = http://www.ilsi.org/europe/publicati...00pac_mat1.pdf
and this = http://www.plasticsinfo.org/beverage.../apc_faqs.html

It would seem the PET & PETE are pretty safe to use, I haven't come to that conclusion for every juice that's for sure but just reading these two articles would make me believe so. As I said I don't see any etching or movement of juice that I have in these type of bottles, Avejuice uses them, COV uses them, and the Chinese seem to use them a lot. I still much rather use glass and will, but there comes a point where with bottom feeders we may have no choice, unless there is a way to make glass work somehow, though we cant Squank glass, so it would have to work with a pressure and taking a pull which is gonna be a tough way to make work, may not be possible. PET & PETE are also harder but I can squank these bottles in my Reo's, are they as easy as the softer LDPE & HDPE NO, but if safer and better then could be worth using still,,, I'm not sure about any of this until I use it more and test more.

 

[mwa102464]

FROM Help: Answer :

"We also have gone to great lengths to ensure that our bottles do not leach any chemicals into our eliquids, as some types of plastics are known to do.
All of our eliquids are bottled in LDPE plastic bottles which we feel is the safest choice to contain our product in. LDPE plastic does not leach any chemicals into the liquids in contains, ensuring that the eliquid you receive is the same high quality product expected.
We avoid glass bottles as some companies have chosen due to the greater potential safety risks presented by this type of container. Most companies offering glass eliquid containers do not offer childproof caps. Glass eliquid containers can also be easily broken potentially putting those who come into contact with it at risk if the liquid contained nicotine."

OK. It seems that the only answers readily available on the subject at hand (e-liquid containers...not Rick) is from e-juice vendors.

...just sane...

Rick, dont believe everything you read and hear always,,,, go put some cinnamon in a LDPE & HDPE bottle like I told you earlier and let me know how it taste in 3-4 weeks,,, that's a bunch of BS as far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't leach explain the reason you will taste a difference in the juice please. Even there answer on Glass is a bunch of BS and I feel Glass is of the higherst quality we could use BY FAR

 

[mwa102464]

Buzz is also using a Glass bottle in his VVPV top feeder unit, it has the best flavor out of any feeder I have, by Far, no matter what juice I put in it.

 

[RickHerron]

Rick, dont believe everything you read and hear always,,,, go put some cinnamon in a LDPE & HDPE bottle like I told you earlier and let me know how it taste in 3-4 weeks,,, that's a bunch of BS as far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't leach explain the reason you will taste a difference in the juice please. Even there answer on Glass is a bunch of BS and I feel Glass is of the highest quality we could use BY FAR

I agree. Glass is really cool AND safe, and I've never had a small glass dropper vial break when it falls. Just a quote from a e-liquid vendor that I found whilst trying to find an answer to your query about non-glass bottles.

But don't hate plastic, dude...it can't help it if it's plastic. Just stop using bottom feeders that require soft bottles, and start using glass for storage. Glass bottles are colorful, very inexpensive, and readily available. Maybe the vendors will read this thread, and when they get up off the floor from the hysterical laughing fit that I'm sure they will have, they will take heed and stop freaking everybody out with their little plastic menaces.

I'm not so sure I WANT to be part of this hostility movement towards plastic anymore. In fact, I just started a NEW THREAD called "I LIKE plastic...how about you? " and it's located here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...i-like-plastic-how-about-you.html#post6120333

Follow me, all you plastics lovers...WE'RE OUTTA HERE!!!

Later

...just sane...

 

[mwa102464]

I know one of the vendors I buy from Rick is going to be switching, and another guy who has been in the business for a long time who is coming out with a new company and line of juice totally agrees and will be using only glass. There are a bunch more first class juice vendors who also use Glass. Not going to ever mention a vendors name in this thread, but if you take a look around some of the best vendors use glass, and for good reason I believe, not saying there aren't good juice vendors that don't use plastic, there are,,, but give them some time and I bet ya if there here to stay they will make the switch sooner or later too.

 

[RickHerron]

2 people are already showing up in DROVES to my new thread (and ALL of them ROCK!!!) - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...i-like-plastic-how-about-you.html#post6120333

...just sane...

 

[Pete54]

Here is some research on PET. The first two links seem to be negative and the third says it's all bullspit. After doing my research I'd have to agree that PET looks pretty harmless. PETE, however, is another story. (that's a joke Mr. Mann).
Contamination of bottled waters with ant... [Environ Sci Technol. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI
Contamination of Canadian and European bottl... [J Environ Monit. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
... [Food Addit Contam Part A Chem .... Control Expo Risk Assess. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[FloridaHokie]

I personally don't like the PET bottles, because sometimes they are impossible to "squeeze".

 

[RickHerron]

I have so many viewers on my NEW THREAD - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...like-plastic-how-about-you-2.html#post6120642 - that ECF is thinking about upgrading me to "DOUBLE-URANIUM MEMBER"!!! Whatcha think about THAT, OP?!?

...just sane...

 

[mwa102464]

Rick, how old are you ?

 

[mwa102464]

Pete good find

 

[Liv2Ski]

Topic seems valid. While some people may not have an issue with the plastic bottles they have there could very well be bottles out there there are not what they say. Is it so far fetched to think that the country that sent us toys with lead paint, tainted their own baby formula, have highest rate of copyright infringement in the world could have possibly made a bunch of bottles out of some crap plastic that is not what they say it is. I think yes. So if people want to use glass what is the issue. No need to be all George Carlin like and and target the Double-Ur-an-anus member status.

BTW- My bottles look OK but I will keep an eye out and anything like my 4 liters of nic is stored in amber or blue glass

 

[RickHerron]

Rick, how old are you ?

You trying to see if I'm old enough to hook up with?

Dude, this is a VAPING website...not a DATING website!!! Grow up.

...just sane...

 

[mwa102464]

Here's what it states on a very well known Juice vendors page =

" Please note that some organic flavors can interact with the plastic of some electronic cigarette tanks causing it to melt or crack. This is due to the real fruit acids found in organic flavors. Please use caution when using organic flavors in tanks. "

We pretty much new this but, If its doing it to plastic tanks, then it surely is effecting Bottles as well, so that flavoring list that is out on another thread is worth looking into. Also could the alcohol be doing this too that's in some flavoring bases ?

Pete what is the special camera or equipment you said you had to look at bottles ? maybe we could find someone who has one of these to help us out more on flavoring that effects the plastic bottles.

 

[classwife]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

11. Message conventions
Posts made by members must accord with certain conventions.
a. Off-topic digression: Stick to the topic. Do not deviate from the subject discussed in a thread as this is called off-topic (OT) posting. Open a new thread if a new issue arises from the discussion so others can always see by the title what the thread is about. Do not post the same topic in several forums (no double-posting / cross-posting).

 

[mwa102464]

You trying to see if I'm old enough to hook up with?

Dude, this is a VAPING website...not a DATING website!!! Grow up.

...just sane...

Dude your added to my ignore list now, you wont be around to long here at ECF I have a feeling.

 

[mwa102464]

Right on Ski man,,,,,,, very easily they could be made of cheap garbage and labeled with a 4 on the bottom., let us know if you find anything odd looking please.

 

[markfm]

Of course, switch to glass and you know someone will introduce leaded crystal.

("my, those are pretty bottles...")

mwa, were your liquids showing on the jewels thread? She just posted the latest list.

 

[RickHerron]

Dude your added to my ignore list now, you wont be around to long here at ECF I have a feeling.

And YOU'RE on my I-don't-think-I-like-people-who-are-mean-to-new-members list, and I hope I'm around just long enough at ECF for you to see that I WILL be around TOO long at ECF, regardless of your "feeling".

That was the last of it, Moderator. (but he started it)

...just sane...

 

[Pete54]

I think Liv2ski brings up a valid point. Could happen. Matt, what I said was too bad I don't have my Photo-microscopy setup anymore. I'd love to have investigated these bottles up close and personal. Alas, that was about 8 hobbies ago! I used to spend my free time photographing Protozoans. (I really need to get a life)