Playing the "Environmental" card.

[Mr.Frost]

I'm not sure if this avenue has been explored or perhaps even exhausted.

But I would think every "Environmental" and "Green" organization out there would be in support of ENIs.

Am I mistaken? No smoke, no ash, no waste (like discarded cigarette butts).

Frost

P.S. sorry about the spelling

 

[the86d]

Wouldn't ENI be plural? Like other ...eni?

 

[CES]

thanks, good idea. I've begun adding the no ashes and no butts environmental slant to comments and letters.

 

[Big Thier]

thanks, good idea. I've begun adding the no ashes and no butts environmental slant to comments and letters.

Cool sig bro.

 

[New_World]

thanks, good idea. I've begun adding the no ashes and no butts environmental slant to comments and letters.

i agree as this is often overlooked in putting in letters.

Imagine if we vaped and didn't smoke.
no more cig butts all over the place.

I've worked at a Restaurant and swept these up outside.
its hard to believe how many ciggarette butts are out in the parking lot.

 

[CES]

Thanks Thier

You and anyone else is welcome to use it.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/cestrang/doyouknowwhichonebannercopy100dp-1.jpg

or a slightly different version http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/cestrang/doyouknowwhichonebannerlarger150dpi.jpg

(ps I'm a chick)

 

[Mr.Frost]

thanks, good idea. I've begun adding the no ashes and no butts environmental slant to comments and letters.

I'm not sure how legit this is, or if it's been mentioned before. When I have some time I'll try to see what I can find out.

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Frost

 

[D103]

I'm not sure how legit this is, or if it's been mentioned before. When I have some time I'll try to see what I can find out.

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Frost

I totally agree with you Mr. Frost and have had the same thoughts - there are a multitude of environmental agencies and organizations who are "potential backers" - even if they would not be willing to publicly endorse the product (which I agree is a risky leap) at least publicly state the obvious 'potential' benefits to the environment. They would also be able to give, I believe, impressive prognostic statistics on potential 'savings' to the environment based on estimated decline in the numbers of cigarette butts discarded per year. Also "clean air" persons should be able to weigh in on potential benefits to the overall air quality (especially since so many states have gotten unbelievably ratical in trying to ban cigarette/tobacco smoking outdoors - that one still floors me....). Also I've thought, what about state and local Fire Departments weighing in on potential declines in residential/commercial fires and the associated loss of life and destruction to property (which by the way finds it way into taxpayers' pockets-thanks to insurance companies). I agree that all these options should be explored. These folks should be courted and recruited much the same way Big Business has it's own 'lobbyists' we should have our own "grass-roots" lobby of responsible citizens with particular expertise - whose opinion's are not construed and 'biased and self-serving'.

 

[noo]

I think "green" marketing would be misleading. Certainly there are environmental impacts associated with tobacco farming and cigarette manufacturing, but overall nothing about a cigarette is particularly bad for the environment, with the exception of the filter. Burning tobacco is carbon neutral with respect to just the tobacco plant itself, as it absorbs CO2 as it grows - same thing with the paper wrapper. Any elements released into the environment were primarily non-sequestered to begin with.

Manufacturing lithium ion batteries and semi conductors is a very dirty process that involves lots of toxic chemicals and industrial waste. In addition, lithium and iron mining are not particularly "Green" activities to boot. To make matters worse, lithium based batteries that end up in landfills pose serious contamination risks as they decay - they need to be disposed of or recycled properly.

All of the tobacco farming present in cigarette production is also present in e cig manufacture, but with an added industrial step to extract the nicotine from the plant. I doubt there is really any environmental argument here that holds water, and the opposition would jump at such claims the same way they jump at the health claims.

 

[CES]

noo, thanks for providing context. I'd still really like to play the reduced litter and reuse card- what do you think?

 

[noo]

Reduced litter and cigarette butts is certainly a benefit, no doubt. However, if you want to take the green route, I would encourage your customers to recycle their lithium ion batteries and cartridges. The steel/aluminum carts can just be thrown in with the other metal recycling once you pull the polyfill out of them, and the batteries can be recycled at many drop off recycling centers. Google around for one near you.

An even better idea might be to start your own recycling program - give customers a dollar worth of store credit for every dead battery they send back to you. Then you can take care to dispose of them properly yourself.

That would certainly be a "hook" which would set you apart in the crowded web world and give you more green cred than any other supplier IMO.

 

[Mr.Frost]

I think you may have missed the point, noo.

Lithium batteries aren't exclusive to E-cigs, so arguing that they pose a concern, as to their decay in landfills, is neither here nor there.

The fact remains that when faced with the choice of a lesser of two evils, I think we can all agree, we'd all choose the lesser yes?

So it stands to reason that, any environmental organization is going to look at E-cigs and see a recyclable product as opposed to a non-biodegradable product like the cellulose-acetate that is used to make cigarette filters.

Put out your hands, let me put one Lithium battery in your left hand, now let me stack the equivalent of cigarette butts you'd smoke in the same amount of time as the life of that rechargable battery in your right hand.

Frost

 

[Mr.Frost]

I must apologize noo, after reading my above post I sound a bit short, and confrontational.
Not my intention at all.

The title of this sub-forum is "Organizations with the Ability to Listen"

I never mentioned "marketing" anything. I simply stated that Environmental agencies would be the obvious choice.

Since you brought up marketing though, aren't Lithium rechargable batteries already marketed as "Green" anyway? That's why they were invented right? To cut down on all the batteries being disposed of?

If that "doesn't hold water" with Environmental groups, then what will?

It seems to me, E-cigs have a better chance of carrying the "Recycle" label alot more than traditional cigarettes do.

Frost

 

[JoeD4]

I can't speak for the environment at large, but my home is a whole lot cleaner and the air quality has improved greatly. My cat wrote me a letter thanking me! (well, not really. My cat can't write letters as I won't allow him access to stationary)

 

[ladysolitary85]

I can't speak for the environment at large, but my home is a whole lot cleaner and the air quality has improved greatly. My cat wrote me a letter thanking me! (well, not really. My cat can't write letters as I won't allow him access to stationary)

my cat gets mad at me because smoking time usually involves her getting to sit outside with me... since I don't smoke nearly as much she gets angry (shes an indoor cat... I wouldn't let her be an outdoor cat only because of the neighborhood I'm in. Too many screwed up people).

 

[TropicalBob]

I, too, think it is important to point out that e-smoking does not create environmental litter, as traditional cigarette use does. Just look at any intersection! Butts everywhere. And they're not just paper waste.

I saw an effective commercial aired during Earth Day about cigarette butts being extremely bad for the planet. They are "filled with toxins" that then leech into the soil or oceans they are carried to by rainwater runoff. Even in landfills, they contaminate the soil and drain their chemicals to aquifers below. In water or on land, they do not decay easily. Additionally, they carry all manner of germs on them. They are about .. as nasty as stuff can get.

E-cigs and dissolvable tobacco pellets -- both under fire for permanent bans from the FDA -- are two products that avoid toss-away waste. (Even Sweden is having problems now with people spitting used snus portions onto sidewalks!).

The relief provided from the hazards of cigarette butts is a big plus for e-smoking.

 

[Vocalek]

Saw a commercial today that 1.5 million trees are cut down every day to make cigarettes.