Please encourage the use of child safety bottles only

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Rhamzha

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Hello, all.

I just wanted to throw this out there as I think it's in everyone's best interest.

I would strongly encourage ALL re-sellers of e-liquid/juice/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to sell only bottles with child safety caps on it. And, I would encourage all buyers to also encourage their store(s) of choice to do the same.

It's being pro-active about the (seemingly) little things like this that will help send the message that this is a responsible industry and that can't hurt as the battle heats up. It's in the buyer and the sellers interest for personal vaporizers to remain readily available to those *responsible* adults who choose to use the product.

Not to mention, it's just the right thing to do. Nicotine is an extremely toxic substance that is readily absorbed via the skin into the bloodstream. And, for a child, the amount of nicotine needed to be toxic (and fatal) can be as little as a cigarettes worth, a half a piece of nicotine gum, biting into a nicotine patch, etc. juice having concentrated nicotine getting on the skin of a toddler has an extremely high potential for being toxic or even fatal.

Now, of course we should all be responsible and keep our juice out of the reach of our children, etc... but, accidents do happen and kids can be mischievous. Nothing is 100% avoidable, but a certain amount of common sense, along with proper and necessary firewalls will go a long way in minimizing the risk, as well as promoting responsible use, buying, selling, etc.

I'm not even sure how many people realize just how extremely toxic nicotine is, how easily it can be absorbed through the skin, and just how small an amount can be easily fatal for toddlers and small children.

I'm all for paying an extra .50 cents or whatever for an appropriate storage vessel for my juice. Something as toxic as nicotine should not be stored in a bottle that is opened easier than a bottle of soda.

It is responsible, which will have direct and indirect benefits, and it is necessary in my opinion.

thanks, for your time. Sorry if this is a repeat or something. Haven't come across it.

Later.
 
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rocketvapor

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Sorry, but I have to disagree. This should be an option when ordering liquid. I have no children and I'm never around children, and they're never in my house. I find those child-proof caps to be a pain.

If I ever find myself with children in my house, I'll move the liquid to a safe place and lock it up - literally. Better the small inconvenience of having to unlock it every time I need it versus injuring a child.

I respect your position and I certainly encourage it for those with children or pets in the vicinity, but I still think those caps should be optional. Just my opinion.
 

Rhamzha

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we don't get to decide with the medicine that we purchase :) Just saying.

Respect your viewpoints as well, but think a child safety cap is also a minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of things. If one has a particular issue with child safety caps, they can always open it once, and move the content to their own receptacle, at their own risk.

And, if/when there ever gets to be regulation over this industry you can bet that it will be one of the first requirements, along with required warning labels, etc. And, it's also something likely to be used against the industry in the political fight against it. "Nicotine is highly toxic, what if a child got a hold of the bottle?" Or, "Some people don't realize how toxic nicotine is", etc, etc...

Nicotine is no joke, so the industry should approach it as such and show that they are serious about treating it with the respect it deserves and taking the necessary precautions.

anywho...
 
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jamaesi

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Yeah, no. I can understand your position, but it would be a horrible choice for people like me. I'm 22 and have had arthritis for half my life. A child is far more capable of opening something "childproof" than I am. I am not for paying extra for something I'll have lots of trouble and pain getting into. I have no kids, but lots of pets, so I keep my e-liquid in containers they can't get into.
 

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I agree with this but after careful review, there really isnt a true Child proof cap available that dosent require you to remove it, insert dropper and then replace the cap...The ones from Dekang are just listtle plastic rings and dont really childproof anything...A tightly screwed on cap is better protection... I had a concerned freind email me some he found just yesterday that look good but they are only available in 15ml bottles , so I was considering offering them as an option on my site and then people could fill them with their favorite liquids and lock or secure their bigger bottles elswhere...I am truly concerned with this issue and I think the OP is correct in his or her concerns...
 

Lyndale

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Sorry, but I have to disagree. This should be an option when ordering liquid. I have no children and I'm never around children, and they're never in my house. I find those child-proof caps to be a pain.

If I ever find myself with children in my house, I'll move the liquid to a safe place and lock it up - literally. Better the small inconvenience of having to unlock it every time I need it versus injuring a child.

I respect your position and I certainly encourage it for those with children or pets in the vicinity, but I still think those caps should be optional. Just my opinion.

I'm in the same boat. I have no children, never have kids in my house, and never carry liquid around with me. Child proof caps would do nothing, in my case, to increase safety.

I can get non-childproof prescription bottles from my pharmacist if I ask for them. Just saying. :)

Same here. Just saying.
 

CJsKee

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I, too, have arthritis, but I find the child-proof caps on Dekang's liquid very easy to open...so easy a child could probably open them :p I received some prefilled carts from a supplier that were packed in a pill bottle type package, and I though I was gonna have to borrow a saw to get the dam things out of the bottle.:shock:
 

SpringMotion

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like any other valued content, the liquid must come in a high quality bottle, those cheap plastic bottles are horrible...
we should encourage sellers to put our valued liquid ($$$) in a higher quality bottle (amber glass for example)...

did I say those cheap plastic bottles are horrible ?
are they BPA free ?
are you sure they are not leaking chemicals ?
 

Stephaniems

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Child proof caps give a false sense of security, I have children and all 3 of them are able to open child proof caps. Its rediculous and I think if people really believe their 3 year old can't open the bottles and leave them on a table it could be terrible when they "realize" the truth of it. The only thing those kinds of caps keep out are people that have problems with their hands. It sounds all nice and responsible but its just an illusion.

As its been said several times before if you have kids or pets put your liquid up.
 

epluribus_vapor

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I think it's a good (or responsible... ideal... may be better words) to have a child-proof lid if you have children, but I think it's a personal responsibility IF you have children. I have two children and DO keep my nicotine locked away from them... in my GUN safe, where I keep loaded weapons. I think that, just as with guns, it's a parents responsibility to keep dangerous items out of reach of children. And I also think that if people begin to 'give in' before they've even been truly tested, it's only fuel to the fire that we'd give in to more demands if pressed.

And for the record, I think children are much more at risk to the dangers that parents don't think so much about and thus leave unattended; like swimming pools, buckets of water and CAMPHO PHENIQUE.... (I'm serious, check it out http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cach...mpho+phenique+deadly&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

Just my thoughts...
 

Rhamzha

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I'm totally fine with a "available without childproofing upon request" as some said they can get their prescription meds that way "upon request"...

I'd just prefer it be that way, rather than the other way around. In otherwords, childproofing by default, but can easily request/choose to have their juice without.

I'm not trying to split hairs or anything. But, do feel it is a very important issue for more than just practical reasons, and it should be seriously addressed. Quality control of what we get in these products and information about them is relatively scarce.

Safer bottling practices, using a filler alternative that doesn't carry the same (potential) risk of combusting or releasing fumes from (toxic) polyester fillers that are very stringy, etc, etc, etc.

Not trying to be a radical or a finger wagger.

I do recognize and appreciate the alternative points of view here. Not trying to change anyone's mind hardcore or anything. But, at the very least, feel it is a very important issue to discuss, and do not believe that it is currently being adequately addressed.

While childproofing may not exactly be "childproof" a matter of 2 seconds vs. a minute or two can make a big difference.
 

SquirrilahFish

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Child proof caps give a false sense of security, I have children and all 3 of them are able to open child proof caps. Its rediculous and I think if people really believe their 3 year old can't open the bottles and leave them on a table it could be terrible when they "realize" the truth of it. The only thing those kinds of caps keep out are people that have problems with their hands. It sounds all nice and responsible but its just an illusion.

As its been said several times before if you have kids or pets put your liquid up.
I agree, I have an 8mo so she is crawling around and grabbing stuff, I keep all of my juice out of her reach, and when its not, it is within mine! I think a tightly screwed on cap does a lot better keeping kids out than "child proof" caps" I guess it depends on how smart ur kids are though, cuz I have friends that cant operate child proof lighters, lol
 
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