Please encourage the use of child safety bottles only
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It's been said lots of times to keep such and such out of reach of children. Yet many children die each year from poisoning and so on. Just saying it's a parents responsibility is not always enough.
Again, with full respect for the opinions expressed, I don't think saying that "childproof caps aren't completely childproof, so there is no point in using them" or "well, if it's dangerous keep it out of their reach..." are really addressing the issue entirely.
That said, perhaps my use of the word "only" in the thread title is also not addressing the full issue. I acknowledge that.
Keep in perspective though that the juice we have is in unlabeled bottles, and like I said, I'm not so sure the majority of people even realize just how extremely toxic of a substance nicotine is. It is often (not in all cases mind you) placed in a clear or white bottle without any kind of proactive measures to either inform the user or to protect those who may ignorantly come in contact with it.
I dont' want to get all preachy, and I fear I may be, so I bow
Again, with full respect for the opinions expressed, I don't think saying that "childproof caps aren't completely childproof, so there is no point in using them" or "well, if it's dangerous keep it out of their reach..." are really addressing the issue entirely.
That said, perhaps my use of the word "only" in the thread title is also not addressing the full issue. I acknowledge that.
Keep in perspective though that the juice we have is in unlabeled bottles, and like I said, I'm not so sure the majority of people even realize just how extremely toxic of a substance nicotine is. It is often (not in all cases mind you) placed in a clear or white bottle without any kind of proactive measures to either inform the user or to protect those who may ignorantly come in contact with it.
I dont' want to get all preachy, and I fear I may be, so I bow
I vote no on the child proof caps.
If you have children that will not pay attention to you when you tell them to leave it alone.......then teach your kids to listen to you.
My children are over the age of 18. they know to keep their hands off my guns. They are everywhere around the house, loaded. You can not tell an intruder to hold on while you unlock your gun, load it and **** it. An empty gun is just an expensive paper weight.
I have taught my children to listen when i talk.
I do not want to have to pay the extra expense because YOU think that YOUR idea is better than mine.
If your supplier is not willing to sell you child proof caps to you when you place your order, FIND ANOTHER SUPPLIER!!!!!
It is time for people to take responsibility for their OWN actions.
I am tired of the wimps of the world trying to tell me what is best for me.
rant off
If you have children that will not pay attention to you when you tell them to leave it alone.......then teach your kids to listen to you.
My children are over the age of 18. they know to keep their hands off my guns. They are everywhere around the house, loaded. You can not tell an intruder to hold on while you unlock your gun, load it and **** it. An empty gun is just an expensive paper weight.
I have taught my children to listen when i talk.
I do not want to have to pay the extra expense because YOU think that YOUR idea is better than mine.
If your supplier is not willing to sell you child proof caps to you when you place your order, FIND ANOTHER SUPPLIER!!!!!
It is time for people to take responsibility for their OWN actions.
I am tired of the wimps of the world trying to tell me what is best for me.
rant off
It's honestly a hard task to keep everything out of their reach; I get your point. Things like aspirin and ibuprofen and other 'household medicines' are in a cabinet in our master bathroom, but we keep our bedroom door locked. And we also try to keep anything we SEE as dangerous out of their reach (knives, scissors, etc.). There will always be a hazard around that either we don't see or don't realize is a hazard. I know that it seems easy to hope that these safety devices will keep our children safe, and I hope they do, but I won't lie; there are times I wake up at night in a cold sweat after a dream that my kids got into my nictone/guns/medicine... and I remind myself that not having protection for us/smoking around them/letting us get sick, is FAR worse than trying to rid our house of the alternatives. So I try to watch my children and make sure they aren't getting into something they shouldn't have... and it's a CONSTANT battle, but that is the obligation I took when I decided to have them. And I stand by it.
As a gun owner myself, I have no idea at all what this has to do with the topic at hand.
In all honesty, I sincerely doubt that the addition of some more robust child-proofing would really result in anything more than a fractional increase in the cost of manufacturing per unit... to the point that, I doubt it would actually increase our end cost by more than a couple of pennies. I think options are great.
I'm glad that you feel a responsible parent and that your kids listen to you 100% of the time (though I have a hard time believing that). But, it does not make your household childproof, nor accident proof. Accidents do happen, no matter what precautions we take to try to avoid them.
It is time for people to take responsibility for their OWN actions.
I am tired of the wimps of the world trying to tell me what is best for me.
rant off
No offense intended, but these are the kinds of statements that do nothing to encourage a healthy well-rounded dialog that actually addresses everyone's *valid* and properly expressed viewpoints. I dont' know about you, but I'm certainly not trying to tell you what is best for you. And, calling someone a *wimp* for suggesting that responsibility is a community obligation just as much as it is an individual one is kinda... well... whatever. I'm fully on board with parental responsibility and leaving things largely in the hands of parents. However, just saying that "well, it's your responsibility, and if you don't deal with it, that's your problem" and washing your hands of it... it isn't always that simple. There are many hazards, and you can't possibly know all of them. I guess car seats should be optional. Well, actually where my wife is from, they don't even have seatbelts in the back of most of their vehicles
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I agree with all you've said, but just wanted to clarify here that I am in no means naive to the fact that safety devices are NOT* fool-proof. However, suggesting a broader community responsibility (even if only to be sure people are informed), rather than just an individual one, I also do not think is out of line or should suggest that if you have wrapped your house in bubble wrap, you are ok and nothing can happen to your kids. As a father, yes... parents worry, but of course, we can't worry about everything all the time.
Anyways, in context of this particular thread "child-proofing" while not 100% childproof (and any *responsible* parent should know that) can make the difference between a "what the... give me that... how the heck did you..." and a "oh, my GOD!" seconds vs. minutes.
Accidents, slip-ups all happen, regardless of how responsible we may or may not be as parents. And, suggesting that a child-proof cap is going to protect your children 100% is as naive (in my opinion) as suggesting that nothing is going to happen to your kids b/c by gosh they listen to what I tell them. Or, suggesting that since it's not *really* childproof, there is no need to even consider them.
If/when something does happen (god forbid) seconds vs. a minute can be a big difference in the outcome.
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All that said... I leave it at this, b/c I feel I'm getting a bit too bogged down in this discussion
Required or not is a discussion for another time and I'm fully on board with the alternative views that some have expressed here that I did not consider before making this thread. However, it IS my opinion that the issue on the whole has not been addressed adequately. From the manufacturer all the way down to the end user. Nicotine is a poison and should be treated with the utmost care and respect. Not just by the end-user.
Are we also against warning labels on each bottle of nicotine? surely the couple of cent increase in cost per bottle should not render that an un-needed thing. toxins and poisons generally by law, must be labelled as such. as of now, how many people's bottle of juice carry's any kind of warning at all... Yes, of course, folks should know and it should be *common sense* doesn't mean there shouldn't be a label though. How many people really know that a cigs worth of nicotine if ingested or spilled onto the skin of a child can very likely kill them, and that there is no antidote for nicotine poisoning.
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I was just going to mention this when I saw your post. We have actually quite a few customers who have arthritis and who have expressed their appreciation for the fact that childproofing is optional on our site. You must make a decision about it one way or the other at checkout, though, by either checking childproofing or no childproofing. This way someone who would have liked childproofing doesn't overlook or forget to check the box.
If the customer chooses childproof, we drop the whole bottle into a childproof medicine bottle, just like you get at the pharmacy. I agree that a childproof cap with a rubber stopper isn't very childproof.
I think this is a fair compromise and should be a minimum. Unfortunate that it only consists of dropping it into a prescription medicine bottle, but hey... manufacturer options are limited and at least there is an option offered.
I'm curious the number of people who have a specific need to NOT have a childproof bottle of juice vs. those who wish it or those who don't care if it is one way or the other. I honestly do not know, as there may very well be a high number of people vaping who have medical issues as a result of years of smoking. Or, maybe those people are a few percent of the overall customer base.
anyways. Thanks for the info.
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That's the way the pharmacy does it in the case of something that requires a dropper bottle, like RX eye drops and such. I imagine it is because it is more secure than a "childproof" dropper bottle with a rubber tip that just begs to be chewed on.
I vote no on the child proof caps.
If you have children that will not pay attention to you when you tell them to leave it alone.......then teach your kids to listen to you.
My children are over the age of 18. they know to keep their hands off my guns. They are everywhere around the house, loaded. You can not tell an intruder to hold on while you unlock your gun, load it and **** it. An empty gun is just an expensive paper weight.
I have taught my children to listen when i talk.
I do not want to have to pay the extra expense because YOU think that YOUR idea is better than mine.
If your supplier is not willing to sell you child proof caps to you when you place your order, FIND ANOTHER SUPPLIER!!!!!
It is time for people to take responsibility for their OWN actions.
I am tired of the wimps of the world trying to tell me what is best for me.
rant off
Ivote no also,I have 2 kids 17 and 19,and if I didnt do my job as a parent they would have been road kill on the street I lived on when they were little! If you choose to be a parent it is your responsibility to make sure the little angels do not kill themselves! I always was a responsible parent and it was my responsibility to keep my kids safe. Not the government,or joe next door,it was me cause I love my kids!So stop trying to make everybody responsible for your kids! I raised mine,so you raise yours without infringing on my rights! Thanks
Sorry supertrkre2812,made a bunch of faces I did have words with all those faces,but they didn't show up! Oh well,my message is I agree with you!
I did have words with all those faces,but they didn't show up! Oh well,my message is I agree with you!Infringing on your rights? having an option available/required (at least the option on purchase) for something as simple as child-protective caps on a highly toxic, highly poisonous substance is seriously infringing upon your rights?
And, the next person to suggest that I am incapable of raising my kids, am an irresponsible parent, or that I wish to have government breathing down my neck, simply for suggesting that poisonous substances.... grrr.... just silly conversation stoppers.
i bow out, anyways...
Haha... childproof caps... My cousins daughter who is 5 opens the bottles for my cousin because she can never get them open... But back to the case at point I too agree that they all should. This will just help prove that the ecig industry is being safety minded. I don't mind them being on them at all, push down and turn, its not that hard... And if it is Ill ship my 5yr old cousins daughter to you, haha.
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Yes, it is a goodwill, responsible gesture from the e-liquid sellers. Most of the sellers that I have purchased from ship in bottles with childproof caps. I just neuter the caps so I can use them in my adult fashion and don't complain about having to perform the operation. But to suggest that we must all demand that all sellers comply and it will relieve parental responsibility is absurd. Parents of small children that are concerned about caps can ask the vendor before they purchase from them, or they can buy a supply of containers they find suitable.
It is much better if they spent extra effort ensuring that the liquids and other toxics are safely out of reach either way.
Hey, I got a great idea!!! How about keeping your juice out of the reach of your children. That would solve the problem right there.
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