Please Explain

[brhollifield]

I have been on the forum a while ( lurking at first ) and have read everything I can about the Provari... I really want one but am happy with my Zmax and Vamo... my question is what is the difference between VV and VW? I have Googled it, I have watched explanations on YouTube but all of the explanations involve math which I really don't understand. I really enjoy VW because it is " set it and forget it ". I want a Provari because " it is the best ", " you won't need another mod " and all of the other praises I hear about it... BUT... I don't understand VV and I am afraid I will start burning up attys and cartos and tanks and pretty much just wreck my gear... can someone please help?

PS. You dont need to convince me how great the Provari is... I already understand that it is a beautiful mod, just want to understand how VV is a benefit ( or how easy it is to use ) versus VW.

 

[kiwivap]

You could try using the vv on your Zmax and Vamo - they both have vv as well as vw. That will show you the similarities and differences.

 

[brhollifield]

You could try using the vv on your Zmax and Vamo - they both have vv as well as vw. That will show you the similarities and differences.

Good point, I guess I am trying to justify my purchase and trying to understand VV so I don't blow anything up... Does one drain the battery faster than the other?

 

[Absintheur]

I feel they are two sides of the same coin. If you adjust the voltage you will also be changing the wattage, if you change wattage then it will also change the voltage. Both depend on the resistance of the juice device to determine the change. I use both and am happy with both systems. The VW is a bit more set and forget but at the same time I use a single brand of cartomizer and atomizers and I set the ProVari on 4.2 and it hardly ever gets changed. Same can be said of my VW...9 watts and they pretty much stay there. I sorta feel like the intro of VW was more of a selling point than an actual improvement. I may be wrong but that is how I see it.

If you like the ProVari go ahead and get one. I think it is one of the more bullet proof VV/VW mods out there, made in the USA, and a great performer with nice features.

 

[SissySpike]

I think its about the same battery life. The difference in the mods are mainly quality. The Vamo is a very cheap poor quality mass production mod. The Zmax is getting better but its still not as well made. Im basing my conclusion on fried switches and broken 510 connectors on the Zmax pluses the after burn issue. The best thing about the provari is as long as provape is around you will be able to get your mod serviced ,besides being accurately calibrated and reliable.. The Vamo and Zmax when the guarantee expires you on your own.

 

[Aras]

Here we go. VW isn't exactly set and forget. You will need to adjust it to use different atomizers. VV is not complicated to use. You don't need to learn the math, although I recommend you do.

The easiest way with VV is to start low and slowly move up until you find a comfortable voltage for yourself. Just set the device at 3.2, put a carto or tank on, take a puff or two. Then move it up to 3.5, then 3.6, and repeat until you are happy with your vape!

Battery life is about the same on the different PV's you mentioned. I personally recommend the provari in this situation.

 

[bsidb]

The Pro Vari

 

[SissySpike]

The Pro Vari isnt PWM and seems to give a better hit

Provari dose use PWM but its not cheap circuitry so it works better. Its like pretty much anything cheaper is usually for a reason.

 

[kiwivap]

I think its about the same battery life. The difference in the mods are mainly quality. The Vamo is a very cheap poor quality mass production mod. The Zmax is getting better but its still not as well made. Im basing my conclusion on fried switches and broken 510 connectors on the Zmax pluses the after burn issue. The best thing about the provari is as long as provape is around you will be able to get your mod serviced ,besides being accurately calibrated and reliable.. The Vamo and Zmax when the guarantee expires you on your own.

The Vamo is cheap but it is not poor quality. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vamo/368031-how-many-times-did-you-drop-your-vamo.html

I don't know what you're talking about with the Zmax either. I can point you to posts with Provaris that had the centre posts fall out or the top caps come loose. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/341243-broke-my-provari-after-2-days.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/374279-kinda-bind.html#post8454346

With any pv there are unfortunately some bad ones that get sold. But I think your comment is far too biased. I haven't been reading lots of comments about fried switches on Zmaxs - not at all.

 

[kiwivap]

Good point, I guess I am trying to justify my purchase and trying to understand VV so I don't blow anything up... Does one drain the battery faster than the other?

And again - you have vv on two mods - test it out. Your questions aren't making sense to me because you have vv already.

 

[Kable]

With vw, the device will automatically adjust the voltage so you have the same power delivered to your atomizer regardless of the resistance. With vv, the power delivered to the atomizer at a given voltage will be higher for lower resistance atomizers and lower for higher resistance (which essentially means coil temperature will vary [inversely] with resistance, for a given voltage). Basically, you don't need to worry about resistance with vw (provided the value is not too high or too low).

 

[Envithyx]

Others covered just about everything, but wanted to add this tip...

If you start playing with VV and you hate the math, here is a safe way to zero in what voltage to start out with and adjust from.

Take the resistance of the device and add 2 volts. That will put you at a comfortable 8 watts to adjust up or down from.

Some examples:

1.5 ohm - 3.5 volts = 8.16667 Watts
3.1 ohm - 5.1 volts = 8.39032 Watts

Little tricks like this can save ya some headaches down the road.

 

[eHuman]

Direct answer: with two working APVs you can't justify purchasing a Provari. But this is a free country, you can decide to buy something that you don't need with or with out sound reasoning and logic.

You may be experiencing "kid in a candy store" or "the grass is greener on the other side" phenomenon, but it is your right to choose luxury over economy. The Provari is a sexy and solid, well built vv APV with a great fan base.

Don't look here for excuses to justify one. If you can afford it and want it, and feel no guilt about the cost, then buy it. Rotating PV usage extends the life of all of them.

If you can't justify to yourself the expense of "adding another car to your garage" without feeling guilty, then don't.

 

[Rocketpunk]

What eHuman said.

He summed up in better words what I was going to say.

If you have the money and can afford a Provari without feeling "guilty", then by all means buy and enjoy it.

The Provari isn't some Hattori Hanzo-steel, forged by the hands of demigod wizard dwarfs in the hallowed halls of Asgard mod. It's just a solidly built VV mod with heavy-duty toughness and "made in the U.S." manufacturing quality. It's not going to magically make every single vape you take taste like ambrosia or milk and honey. That depends on your juice and your juice delivery system.

I will eventually add a Provari to my arsenal, not because I need-need-need it, but because I'd like to own one. Simple as that. I coveted many of my coworkers and fellow vapers' mods, but for me it's usually a case of mod-envy.

And to the poster who said the Vamo is a cheaply-made mass-produced product, have you held one in your hands, vaped it, played with it? It's a pretty sturdy mod. Just as heavy as the Provari. Also, props to the poster who referenced the How Many Times Did You Drop Your Vamo thread.

 

[eHuman]

but for me it's usually a case of mod-envy.

Sorry rocket, I lol'd but had the wrong mental picture But that might me a fairly accurate saying.

 

[brhollifield]

I am not trying to justify my wanting one... I do want one and am sure I will get one... I like all the posts about how tough they are, how reliable they are and how they are the " industry standard " . I use vw on my devices and like it... I don't understand vv and that scares me.

 

[gthompson]

Change the volts till it tastes best. You don't have to understand anything other than that to enjoy the vape. Knowing a little something about it will mean you'll find the sweet spot faster, but you can still get there either way. You aren't going to blow yourself up or anything just because you don't understand the math.

 

[donnah]

I am not trying to justify my wanting one... I do want one and am sure I will get one... I like all the posts about how tough they are, how reliable they are and how they are the " industry standard " . I use vw on my devices and like it... I don't understand vv and that scares me.

Face your fears! Set your device to vv and play with it. Google an ohms law calculator. See what resistance your atty/carto is... start out at 3v and work your way up.

I like to vape at 8 watts. My rule of thumb is to add 2v to whatever my resistance is. That gives me around 8 watts. If I'm using a rba with a new coil though I don't start out that high, I work my way up to break in the coil.

Don't get too caught up in numbers.. start low and adjust to taste.

 

[Baditude]

This article may help explain variable voltage to you. It was written by the person who created the Safe Vaping Power Chart. If you have problems with math and Ohm's Law, the chart is an easy to read spreadsheet of figuring watts, voltage, and resistance using colors designated as good, bad, and ugly.

Guide to Safe Vaping - E-Cigarette Safety | Ecig Advanced Community Blog

 

[tj99959]

Ohms Law is Ohms law, it doesn't matter which of the 4 components you mess with, the effect will be the same.

It's a circle