Please Help! I'm Just Not Happy...

[Sloth Tonight]

I've never had any mod upside down in a bag but i've heard the only leakage would be from the little catching area, not from the bottle. maybe the way the tube is designed? not sure. easily avoided by not having it upside down in a bag

I have had it sideways though with no leaking

 

[distortoblotto]

Can you transport it on its side with juice in it without leaks? If it leaks on it's side, it will leak out any juice out of the atty in a bag. It is bottom fed, yes? What keeps it from emptying the bottle if it was upside down in a bag?

All I can report is my experience. I have not had one leak in my shirt pocket, the top pocket on my coveralls for work or my baggy cargo shorts with a cell phone pocket. I do take the steps to not pocket them until I have pulled them down to the point were they need a squonk.It's been on its side but, I haven't turned it upside down in my pocket however, I have turned it upside down with the bottle full and the atty removed while at my desk with no leaking at all. I suppose if one where to flood the atty (over squonk) and then pocket it, there may be some leakage from the intakes if it slipped on it's side. The hole in the tube is small enough that It maintains enough bottle pressure not to leak just like a pinpoint oiler or a dripper bottle.

 

[samcm010]

they're easy for a beginner. with an RM2, you've got a nice, large space to mount your coil. the base is ceramic so that's one less place for a short to occur. It is very intutive how to mount the coil, etc. For a good vape one needs to learn to build a coil, period - no matter the device, so we're not really taking that into the equation when talking about how easy the REO is. But mounting the coil, and wicking it is the easiest thing ever. I don't think it *could* be easier actually. I've used a small amount of cotton, and large - all work fine. some work better than others. it's nowhere NEAR as finnicky about this as a PT, KFL, etc. I can't speak for other drippers, never used one

Protanks...that's hard for a beginner (rebuilding wise) and I shudder at the thought of ever doing one again, not because it's hard now that I know what I'm doing, but because it's a PITA.

KFL...get the right amount of wick and don't block the air hole or you're screwed and gotta dump your juice and fix it.

got a problem with the RM2? take off the cap and fix it, then squonk (but, good luck finding a problem that needs fixing)

Sloth good points but with the KFL there is really not that much that can go wrong and the only time I have ever had a problem ( first KFL a Clone) it was the atty itself. The deck is easy to build on and I tuck my cotton in both sides with no concern of the air holes and have never (since clone) had a problem. I am not being argumentative since I love your posts and I agree with 99% of what you say.. and I think if everyone loves the REO this much it must be sooo good. I also think the ceramic bottom is great having used similar in Helios and Squape but I know from personal experience the KFL is great as well. Just want to make sure both amazing devices get the credit they are both due...
As for rebuilding a PT I am not sure why anyone would ever bother I did so early on and what a PITA and for what?

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Sloth good points but with the KFL there is really not that much that can go wrong and the only time I have ever had a problem ( first KFL a Clone) it was the atty itself. The deck is easy to build on and I tuck my cotton in both sides with no concern of the air holes and have never (since clone) had a problem. I am not being argumentative since I love your posts and I agree with 99% of what you say.. and I think if everyone loves the REO this much it must be sooo good. I also think the ceramic bottom is great having used similar in Helios and Squape but I know from personal experience the KFL is great as well. Just want to make sure both amazing devices get the credit they are both due...
As for rebuilding a PT I am not sure why anyone would ever bother I did so early on and what a PITA and for what?

I hear you, I'm one of the people who had hours of trouble with my kfl. it's still hit or miss if i get it right, and getting it right is a PITA. sounds like you've got it down and yeah, it is definitely a killer vape when it's done perfectly right. it's a killer vape.

personally I think the coil part is infinitely easier in the KFL (RM2's probably twice as easy though, if you can even imagine that given how easy it is on KFL) than the Protank, but not the wick. that's just me. but I'm horrible with anything craftsy, mechanically, umm screwy...tinkery...not even sure the words but I'm awful

edit - oh and I use an ehpro clone...but if you're gonna spend over $100 on a kayfun authentic, you're already spending half of what the entire REO set up would be x.x

 

[distortoblotto]

I agree about the Kayfuns. As a matter of fact, I am preparing to head up to our family place in Sonoma CA. for the weekend and I am packing a Provari with no less than 3 full KF's and a pair of Reo's. When I am working (12hr shifts), I always carry at least one PV/ KF and a Reo as well.

 

[penguiness]

Coil wrapping and ohms made easy. Just plug in the numbers and let the calculator do the computing for you.

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I haven't read the entire thread, I stopped at your above post. I just want to give my experience.

I started out with the disposable ecigs and soon found out, through online searching, that there was way more to be had. I moved to an evod and clearomizer for a few weeks and that didn't cut it either. More searching led me to the protank. I mean, I can rebuild the protank right? Well, rebuilding the PT or any other such tank sucks. Yes it can be done, but in MY case, the results were so inconsistent that I soon grew tired of it. One out of every 5 or so builds would be perfect, but, more often than not, it just wasn't satisfying and constant leaking. I soon went back to buying disposable heads just so I wouldn't have to spend the time recoiling the protank. A big point to mention is that you are severely limited to the type of coil you use in something like the PT.

At the same time that I gave up on recoiling the PT, I bought an RSST genesis style atomizer. That's when I started really getting into the techinique of coil building. I absorbed as much information as I could from this site, other forums, and mainly youtube. I watched and still watch Grimm Green, Rip Trippers, PBusardo, vapingwithtwisted420, cloud50, and toddsreviews. They all have their different style and some might find a few abrasive (Rip Trippers, vapingwithtwisted420), but they all are knowledgeable and I gleaned a lot of good information from them. The RSST was good but it was during this time that the vaping community was moving from the genesis style tank to the rebuildable bottom coil tank (RBA) like the Kayfun, Russian, Taifun, etc. I bought a Kayfun lite clone for about 40 buck off of ebay and fell in love with it. True, it does have some cons and if the build isn't right, it will leak or give dry hits. But I searched and found the perfect build, which I posted a video of earlier in this thread. I love my Kayfun, I have two now, but am now going to progress into drippers. I'm still holding off on the REO or any other type of bottom fed box mod until I find out, on my own, if dripping is for me.

I love the guys on this forum, everybody is so wiling to help, but just realize that the REO is not the end all be all. There are other bottom fed box mods available, although, I believe the REO is the cheapest. And for everybody that loves the REO, there are just as many that don't like it.

Now some may say that they wished they would have just went straight to the REO and saved all the money they spent in getting to the REO, but to me it has been a journey and I have learned so much getting to where I am today. If you aren't interested in the journey, by all means, jump straight to the REO. If you don't like it, they only last for a day or two in the classies and you'll get pretty much what you paid for it. But if you want to learn what works and what doesn't, take a journey. If anything, you'll have backups if something ever breaks.

I do agree with most everybody here. You will get a much better vape expereince by progressing to an RBA or, if you want, an RDA. Ditch the clearomizers or Protank like atomizer.

Anyway, that's my

jblindy, your advice and suggestions are wonderful and helpful for ncolwell.

ncolwell, I suggest you take pictures of the coil and cotton wick when it arrives. Note how far above the deck the coil sits, and how far away from the posts. Make notes so you can repeat it later, including how long the cotton is, how thick it is, and how it touches the deck or wraps around the coil. A person who has owned the dripper and used it will know the best way to build the coil and wick to get the most out of it.

If you have not had any prior visuals on using a dripper, when the juice is gone in the Trident, remove the drip tip and drop more juice in. Wait a few seconds and enjoy the vape. If you want to change flavors, you may need to change the wick if the flavors are completely different. If not, you could end up with a bit of flavor from one and the new one. Sometimes they don't go well together. You will know which ones you can transition to on the same wick after you try it once or twice

For your first coils, I recommend using a 3/32 drill bit as that will make it large enough to make wicking easy. Until you change to a different mod that can handle low ohms, you should use between 6 and 7 wraps with 28 gauge Kanthal. That will give you between 1.2 ohms and 1.4 ohms.

The calculator link posted earlier will help you with coils and gauge. Choose what gauge Kanthal you have, what size dIrill bit you are using, and what Ohms you want to get in the end. I do not recommend you choose less than 1.2 Ohms because sometimes coils will drop just a bit after they get broken in. 1.2 gives you enough to allow for that and still keep you above 1.0 which is safe for the mod you are using. You can use thinner Kanthal, but most new persons find 28 easier to start out with. When I give coil building classes, I have each person make a coil with 28 and 30. I have only had one student prefer 30; she had experience making coils for jewelry.

 

[distortoblotto]

FTS, in all fairness, you need to get a wee bit more time under your belt building a KF. I went through a few struggles myself at first, but now I can clean/ rebuild and have one back up and running in about 10 minutes with absolutely no dry hits or burnt wick from start to finish on any given tank.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I'll be the first to admit it distorto-the problem is i don't anticipate ever getting enough more experience to be good with it. i hope i don't need to reiterate that this is only my opinion yada yada but the REO changed the game for me. i will only use the kfl or PTs as backup. haven't touched them in 5 days it feels *good*

there's no reason for me to practice something that gives me less fulfillment and causes frustration for less fulfillment. that's all I'm saying. no bashing whatsoever

 

[distortoblotto]

You found your niche my brother, run with it!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

You found your niche my brother, run with it!

exactly - and I hope the OP finds hers, where ever it is!

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I'm little confused..the only thing you wouldn't have to do with REO as opposed to a RDA is dripping instead of being bottomfeeding .You would still have to build your own coil,figure what kind of wicking material to use,know what ohm to use,use the right battery and sometimes fiddle with your configuration to get the best results.How does using a REO make everything simpler or even add to the flavor I mean more so than dripping? It all really matters on your build IMO. Please don't get me wrong I'm going to buy a REO as soon I finish saving up for one so I have nothing against REOs at all. I think they're a really cool device for someone who has basic knowledge of coil buliding ect. but not really for a beginner who doesn't know if they like or are going to stick with rebuilding process.

I don't own a REO so take this for what it is worth;

Any dripper that acts like a RTA has its advantages, dripper flavor without the fuss of actually dripping or needing to maximizing your ability to make another device wick so well it performs like a dripper has to be a great thing.

In my personal opinion the form factor isn't what appeals to me, so I've gone the genesis route. Doing so takes a huge quantity of fiddle farting around with builds to get similar dripper type flavor. Once you have a build nailed its gold, however, getting there is tedious at times.

I've done the dripper route, and it is nice, very nice in ease of accomplishing the goal of flavor attainment. The caveat is juice expenditure, you use lots of juice in drippers, at least I do. If juice were nearly free I might go the way of the REO, but it isn't.

I'm able to attain huge flavor with reduced chamber genesis atties, using moderate ohms (0.8-0.5), and only expend around 6-9 ml per day with what I consider heavy chain vaping vs. 9+ ml easily with dripping in the same range of ohms.

I will say that my vaping is as enjoyable as ever when the tasks of making it work for me are involved as when they are simple, so easing the burden isn't a huge factor for me. That let's me focus on the aesthetic points more so than ease of use. I find the genesis atomizer and mechanical mod combination particularly attractive as well as functional. So that's the direction I've gone.

Maurice

PS. 23 year old rum may be talking a bit for me right now so ... Yeah ... Pretty much read the above as bla bla bla LOL

 

[Yohkos]

I think we all go through this. My advice is change it up. If you can afford get something new. And sometimes try not to vape for a few hours longer than you usually do. It's kinda like dieting and fasting. When you go without eating for a longer than normal time....the food taste so good, the same goes for vaping. We spoil ourselves, like chain vaping and lose our appreciation. I didn't use my Kayfuns for over a week cuz I have been busy and really didn't have the time to mess with them. When I got them going again a couple of days ago, it was like OMG I'm in love all over again. Hope this makes sense. Good luck, the love for vaping will return.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I don't own a REO so take this for what it is worth;

Any dripper that acts like a RTA has its advantages, dripper flavor without the fuss of actually dripping or needing to maximizing your ability to make another device wick so well it performs like a dripper has to be a great thing.

In my personal opinion the form factor isn't what appeals to me, so I've gone the genesis route. Doing so takes a huge quantity of fiddle farting around with builds to get similar dripper type flavor. Once you have a build nailed its gold, however, getting there is tedious at times.

I've done the dripper route, and it is nice, very nice in ease of accomplishing the goal of flavor attainment. The caveat is juice expenditure, you use lots of juice in drippers, at least I do. If juice were nearly free I might go the way of the REO, but it isn't.

I'm able to attain huge flavor with reduced chamber genesis atties, using moderate ohms (0.8-0.5), and only expend around 6-9 ml per day with what I consider heavy chain vaping vs. 9+ ml easily with dripping in the same range of ohms.

I will say that my vaping is as enjoyable as ever when the tasks of making it work for me are involved as when they are simple, so easing the burden isn't a huge factor for me. That let's me focus on the aesthetic points more so than ease of use. I find the genesis atomizer and mechanical mod combination particularly attractive as well as functional. So that's the direction I've gone.

Maurice

PS. 23 year old rum may be talking a bit for me right now so ... Yeah ... Pretty much read the above as bla bla bla LOL

I don't find that i go through more juice...not debating your point about drippers cause a lot of people have told me that. but I vape about the same amount of juice each day that I did pre-REO - and - conveniently for me, that's about 6ml a day! sometimes closer to 9 I get a little vape crazy

Yohkos has some sage advice OP - very very wise advice

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

For me there was a very drastic change. I'm sure each and every person experiences something different

Maurice

 

[samcm010]

jblindy, your advice and suggestions are wonderful and helpful for ncolwell.

ncolwell, I suggest you take pictures of the coil and cotton wick when it arrives. Note how far above the deck the coil sits, and how far away from the posts. Make notes so you can repeat it later, including how long the cotton is, how thick it is, and how it touches the deck or wraps around the coil. A person who has owned the dripper and used it will know the best way to build the coil and wick to get the most out of it.

If you have not had any prior visuals on using a dripper, when the juice is gone in the Trident, remove the drip tip and drop more juice in. Wait a few seconds and enjoy the vape. If you want to change flavors, you may need to change the wick if the flavors are completely different. If not, you could end up with a bit of flavor from one and the new one. Sometimes they don't go well together. You will know which ones you can transition to on the same wick after you try it once or twice

For your first coils, I recommend using a 3/32 drill bit as that will make it large enough to make wicking easy. Until you change to a different mod that can handle low ohms, you should use between 6 and 7 wraps with 28 gauge Kanthal. That will give you between 1.2 ohms and 1.4 ohms.

The calculator link posted earlier will help you with coils and gauge. Choose what gauge Kanthal you have, what size dIrill bit you are using, and what Ohms you want to get in the end. I do not recommend you choose less than 1.2 Ohms because sometimes coils will drop just a bit after they get broken in. 1.2 gives you enough to allow for that and still keep you above 1.0 which is safe for the mod you are using. You can use thinner Kanthal, but most new persons find 28 easier to start out with. When I give coil building classes, I have each person make a coil with 28 and 30. I have only had one student prefer 30; she had experience making coils for jewelry.

I really find it encouraging how much good advice is being offered on here (ECF) in general and on this thread. Penguin good idea about pics I wish I had thought of that. I will say that I did use the Trident for awhile it was my first RDA and I repeat it is a great RDA to learn on and it has great flavor. Some additional thoughts with all my drippers as Penguin said I rarely change the wick when changing juices I just drip the new flavor as it is drying out and wait for several puffs until it is the new juice.
Finally I would like to add I think it is important that we try and open up more Vapers to the idea of rebuilding their own coils. I know the reason people suggest it is not responsible to push people to do it. But I think especially if someone has made the jump to participating on a forum like ECF they are probably serious enough to learn the basic skills of coil building and safe operations. I for one would have gone back to cigars if I had not learned to build my own coils. I appreciate for some the PT's and Nautilus's are fine but to really appreciate Vaping at its best I feel strongly you need to get a coil that is not mass produced. Cartomizers may be the exception to the rule on this. Helping people to make the jump is really easy... good stores can do it and so can many of us who have learned and have extra stuff laying around.

 

[AndriaD]

Id say its definitely your iClear 30's. I have a few of those but dont use them anymore. Youd get better flavor out of a Protank 2 or Aerotank with rebuilt coils and cotton. If you want to spend a little more, get a Kayfun Lite Plus (KFL+). Despite what Sloth said, most who have tried them love them. I think hes like 1 of 9 people who dont like the KFL+ lol. I have 8 of them cuz I like to change flavors throughout the day. Youll have to know how to make your own coils but thats easy once you get the hang of it. If you have the money, then Id suggest a REO. If youve never used an RDA or tried dripping, it might be too much for you though. Way more nic and way more flavor. Id say go with what you can afford and dont break the bank

+1 to the millionth power on the KFL+ -- those tanks are amazing. It can be intimidating at first, the coil building thing; I'm a girl, I never did stuff like that, but it turns out not to be hard. Sometimes it can provoke a lot of cussing, but really not hard, just sometimes frustrating, but the vape it provides is SOOOOOOOO worth every second of frustration. The good thing I've found is that when you finally have a good coil, it lasts... and lasts... and lasts.... and... you get the idea. No more of this 'oh I have to replace my coil' silliness. You may have to re-wick from time to time, but a good coil lasts a *while* -- when you learn how to do it, you often end up yanking out a perfectly good coil just so you can try some new idea and see how THAT vapes.

I've bought two just like this -- 2mm Kayfun Lite Plus Clone by Tobeco w Second Tank Spare Parts Russian | eBay -- excellent hardware, excellent price, and *beyond* excellent vendor -- I could not possibly imagine a better vendor, they've really gone way above and beyond.

Andria

 

[sc12]

hey if you do want to avoid any cross contamination though, is the best way to just remove the bottle/insert an empty one?

Yes. To clean the tubing and 510 connection, I fill an empty bottle with hot water and give it a few hard squonks.

 

[sc12]

I got down to 300ml in March....the horror!!!!!

No way! Surely you just forgot where you buried several treasure chests.

 

[samcm010]

+1 to the millionth power on the KFL+ -- those tanks are amazing. It can be intimidating at first, the coil building thing; I'm a girl, I never did stuff like that, but it turns out not to be hard. Sometimes it can provoke a lot of cussing, but really not hard, just sometimes frustrating, but the vape it provides is SOOOOOOOO worth every second of frustration. The good thing I've found is that when you finally have a good coil, it lasts... and lasts... and lasts.... and... you get the idea. No more of this 'oh I have to replace my coil' silliness. You may have to re-wick from time to time, but a good coil lasts a *while* -- when you learn how to do it, you often end up yanking out a perfectly good coil just so you can try some new idea and see how THAT vapes.

I've bought two just like this -- 2mm Kayfun Lite Plus Clone by Tobeco w Second Tank Spare Parts Russian | eBay -- excellent hardware, excellent price, and *beyond* excellent vendor -- I could not possibly imagine a better vendor, they've really gone way above and beyond.

Andria

Andria I second all the things you have said! But I would suggest people search the classifieds for the real thing they can be bought for pennies over the price of clones. And in the end guarantee quality performance.

 

[AndriaD]

Andria I second all the things you have said! But I would suggest people search the classifieds for the real thing they can be bought for pennies over the price of clones. And in the end guarantee quality performance.

Maybe, but it's hard to beat $29.95+free shipping, especially for something you've never tried before. And these particular Tobecos have a feature that is apparently unheard-of in other kayfuns; you can loosen the 510 screw to extend it a little, without loosening the block. That's a godsend with some mods. And that particular vendor really is All That, just amazingly good customer service.

I might get a genuine kayfun someday, but I'm so absolutely delighted with those clones, I really can't see a reason. Also, I just ordered a Smok RSBT, and that looks like it might be even better than a Kayfun, for a MUCH lower price (and better features!).

Andria