Please help me guys, I'm 6 days in and having problems...(sorry it's long, any help appreciated!)

[aleyahevers]

I was having some of those problems here is what I did...I bought some cartomizers for the kdr808 I popped the top off and took out the plastic o ring, i than popped off the top of my Riva 510 cartridge and put the oring in there its a tight fit you gotta work to get it in and to where its not sideways but it will be mushed a bit. I than took all the filling out of my cart and filled 3/4th with juice. Than I cut a semi chunky piece of blue foam squished it into a tiny ball and put just at the entrance of cart and put 3 or 4 juice drops on that. Every other vaping session I put 3 or 4 more drops on top of blue foam and i have to refill whole cart twice a day. Im getting a perfect hit very little juice in my mouth and the lil drop refresher keeps it tasting super good almost like driping but without me flooding atty which i kept doing. Hope it helps

 

[NicLiq]

I could have written your post. Luckily, I had ordered some cartomizers and they arrived on the day I was having the most trouble. I keep reading that they last about 4+ days, but I am lucky to get 1-1/2 days out of one right now - which is okay - anything to keep me off cigarettes is fine with me.

I have to constantly remind myself that I don't have to attack the e-cigarette like my life depends on it. If I can calmly draw in and puff out a few time, I get the hit that I need.

Another thing that helped was adding a drip tip on the end of a cartomizer - I don't use it for dripping, it just allows more air or something. Then I noticed that I did much better in the first 30 minutes after changing my battery, so last night I ordered a passthrough that plugs into the wall outlet.

Good luck! I hope you find what works best for you

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Some times when I don't get good TH, due to a low battery/high resistance carto, I have learned to take long, slow hits. That often helps.

 

[DC2]

Finally cleaning. I know everyone suggest alcohol baths, etc..., but with my atties I just dry burn them... Put on your batt without cart and hit the switch for 5 seconds. Do that about 5 times and leave it at that. (then charge batt ) I also debridged my attys (find it on youtube) for more flavor and easier to clean. Can't get the crude off the coil with alcohol, gotta scrap it. Nothing brings a atty back to life than a good GENTLE scraping and dry burn... takes less time too. HOWEVER, debridged attys don't work with carts, dripping only.

Debridging atomizers is a personal preference, but it isn't necessary.

I will say though, that if doing dry burns to clean an atomizer, make sure to rinse it out real well first.
And rinse it out again afterwards too.

Best thing to do is follow this method, which is tried and true, and involves no scraping...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/69834-my-atty-resurrection-method.html

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

OMG you guys are just GREAT! I had to go run errands and not only did I find this to be an awesome group of people...yet again! But I also found out why everyone is so in love with smart phones/droids. I just got my first with internet on it. I just couldn't believe I would ever need such a thing. It just turned out that husband I both needed new phones and it just so happened to work out that I was able to get the whole she-bang...and now I've had 2 life changing events in the same week. E-cigs/this forum and portable internet...my husband will really get on me about being to plugged in

Anyway, so while out I was able to read a few of the responses and I'm putting some things to work at the moment. I still need to go back through and read more closely. I just had to come thank everyone quickly before I get busy and involved.

So,Thank you, thank you, thank you, you guys and gals totally rock! first off y'all were dead on about the atomizer being flooded!

Off to reread and respond and work on my parts. I'm a busy Vaper tonight!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Sorry to hear about your problems I'm only a week in but loving it.

I have a riva 510 and I'm now using these clearomizers there really easy to fill and hold a great amount of juice. They also have an atomizer built in. I buy them in packs of 5 for around £7 so it's really cost effective. Had no issues or problems with mine.

This is what they look like, YouTube them.

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Thanks! I got so much help with this post it's taking me a while to process it all...but wanted to make sure I thanked everyone b/c this place is just full of win! win! people!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Girl, if you're puking, you're vaping too much. Dial it back a notch. It sounds like you're suffering from tobacco withdrawal - there's more "stuff" in cigarette smoke than just nic. You might want to check out the list of "quitting smoking" symptoms, and see it that is part of what ails you.
If you get desperate, permit yourself a cig or 2 (or 3) a day, at least for a couple of weeks. I took a month and a half to slowly transition off cigs and onto vaping full-time. Good luck, and hang in there.

Duh Amy! I was having so much fun the first few days I totally didn't think one bit about detoxing from the other stuff in cigs! I've got 2 full packs of analogs I bought the day I thought my PV would come in the mail but didn't...so there they sit and while I've been having some problems I've not once wanted to smoke one. thankfully all of the wonderful people here have helped me figure out most of my problems and things are good again! thanks for the help!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Hi Amy,
The gurgling sound is too much ecjuice in the atty....flooding it will kill it.....It also sounds like you are overloading your taste buds......I have had days like then when I was new.....it is your body saying its tastes buds are on overload.......You can use a cartomizer on the 510 but make sure they are not lr.....
Clearomizers, if you want to try them, need to be in high 3 ohms or even 4.......Just be patient and you can get it worked out.....Are you sure you are getting enuff nic to stave off the nic fits? If you are, just take a deep breath and relax.
let us know how it goes.....sorry if I didn't get to all your questions.

sas

yep! everyone was dead on about me flooding my atty! I'm still processing all the help I've gotten here but wanted to make sure I thanked everyone...I seriously have never been treated this well one any other forum, and I'm a total internet junkie! so that's saying a lot! and people think smokers are rude & out to kill everyone with their 2nd hand smoke...I find most smokers to be much kinder and polite than uppity "OMG smoke...run" people!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Sounds like much of your problem is with 1) clogged or flooded atomizer and 2) juice delivery. I recommend that you switch to Boge cartomizers for a while. They are cheap and disposable.

All of us have gone through the change in taste/no taste issues. Drink some water with lemon and see if that helps. Also read this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

Another thing, if you are having to hit the 510 that hard to get satisfaction, it's time to move up to a bigger battery, like the Riva, or a 3.7v mod.

yep! totally a flooded atty as one of my big problems. Fixing that made a huge difference. I guess I was taking the "keep it moist" to a whole new level.
I am still having to hit it pretty hard so as much as I didn't want to I'm looking into moving up to the Riva 510...except I can't find and in stock anywhere.

Thanks so much for your help...this place is full of awesome people!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

It sounds like you're flooding the atty. If you are going to direct drip, the the filler out of the plastic cart, drip no more than 3 drops (start with 2) directly onto the bridge (you need to do this with a new or cleaned (dry) atty also even if you're using filler). Let each drop soak in before dripping another. With the filler (the stuff in comes with, I don't know about the blue foam), drop several drops into a clean one, keep dripping into it, slowly, until it stops absorbing. If a little sits on top, soak it up with a tissue. Even if you notice a slight reduction in flavor, don't keep topping off the cart until there is a more pronounced drop in flavor (you're going to have to deal with a few reduced flavor hits). Then, top off in the same way (don't have any liquid "sitting" on top).

If you notice a gurgling sound and a reduction in vapor, it's probably flooded (note that gurgling is different than sizzling and popping). If you flood the atty, let it cool, remove it from the battery, place your mouth over the end that connects to the battery and blow into a tissue to clean out the extra liquid. Do this until no more liquid comes out.

2) Do cartomizers come in flat tip? And any chance there are flat tip cartomizers that are made of a softer plastic? If not flat tip how about regular with a softer plastic?

Can't help ya there, I don't use them. I have regular cartridges and an Ego Tank

3) I got a kit with two batteries/atomizers. The batteries don’t last near as long as I’d like, but I really don’t want to go up in size. My 510 is just the right size/weight for me. So I’m gonna need to order more batteries. It seems to work out better money wise to just get another kit but not if I’m gonna switch to cartomizers right?

Get a personal charging case like this: Joye 510 PCC Charging Case (JOYE510PCC). You can also invest in a larger battery like the Mega or the Ego. I too liked the small size of the 510 standard, but you will quickly get over that if you have a battery that lasts longer. I use an Ego 1000 mAh, it lasts ALL DAY (sometimes longer) Joye Absolute eGo 1000 mAh Battery (JOYEABSBATT). The one I have came with the Ego Tank system I ordered, but also works with standard 510 attys.

4) I also was thinking on getting a Passthrou…that’s where you can plug into your computer and vape on without having to charge batteries right? How do I know which one to get and does it affect the computer at all? Just got a new laptop and it’s my baby!

Not going to hurt your computer any more than a USB phone charger (which is not at all). If you're running the laptop on battery, it WILL drain the battery faster, but that's the only affect. Also, vapor production, for whatever reason, isn't as good with the passthru (but it's worth a shot, they're only like $15)


The sizzle/gurgling is back, still no throat hit, and I’m still a bit nauseous. And much to my disappointment even triple flavor isn’t enough. My smell & taste abilities are already so much better but I’m just not getting any flavor. I get a little smell but no sweet taste at all which is what I want/need. I guess I should try steeping them but that leaves me trying to figure out which one I can stand to vape for a week or two until the steeping is done.

Again, "gurgling" is bad, it means the atty is flooded. "Sizzling" is good, as long as it's not too loud (could indicate a dry atty, which I highly doubt is your problem). Flavor could be the juice you're using. Try checking out the e-liquid review forums. Also, there is a difference with PG and VG. PG, from what I understand, gives a better TH and flavor, but reduced vapor. While VG gives better vapor and less TH and flavor. I use a 50/50 mix. You might want to play around with different combos.

I'd also be interested to know what level of nicotine you are using? I was a pack/day Camel lights smoker and 18mg seems perfect for me. Using 24mg, I too was getting nicotine overdose symptoms. I also noticed that I tend to vape overall more than I smoked analogs (because it TASTES so much BETTER!!). Sometimes, I'd go crazy with it and get sick. Try having some different nic levels around and when you start feeling sick from it, switch to a lower/non-nic level.

Hope that helps

yes it did help! thank you so much! yes I was totally flooding my atty's...took the "keep it moist" to a while new level

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

It sounds like you're flooding the atty. If you are going to direct drip, the the filler out of the plastic cart, drip no more than 3 drops (start with 2) directly onto the bridge (you need to do this with a new or cleaned (dry) atty also even if you're using filler). Let each drop soak in before dripping another. With the filler (the stuff in comes with, I don't know about the blue foam), drop several drops into a clean one, keep dripping into it, slowly, until it stops absorbing. If a little sits on top, soak it up with a tissue. Even if you notice a slight reduction in flavor, don't keep topping off the cart until there is a more pronounced drop in flavor (you're going to have to deal with a few reduced flavor hits). Then, top off in the same way (don't have any liquid "sitting" on top).

If you notice a gurgling sound and a reduction in vapor, it's probably flooded (note that gurgling is different than sizzling and popping). If you flood the atty, let it cool, remove it from the battery, place your mouth over the end that connects to the battery and blow into a tissue to clean out the extra liquid. Do this until no more liquid comes out.

2) Do cartomizers come in flat tip? And any chance there are flat tip cartomizers that are made of a softer plastic? If not flat tip how about regular with a softer plastic?

Can't help ya there, I don't use them. I have regular cartridges and an Ego Tank

3) I got a kit with two batteries/atomizers. The batteries don’t last near as long as I’d like, but I really don’t want to go up in size. My 510 is just the right size/weight for me. So I’m gonna need to order more batteries. It seems to work out better money wise to just get another kit but not if I’m gonna switch to cartomizers right?

Get a personal charging case like this: Joye 510 PCC Charging Case (JOYE510PCC). You can also invest in a larger battery like the Mega or the Ego. I too liked the small size of the 510 standard, but you will quickly get over that if you have a battery that lasts longer. I use an Ego 1000 mAh, it lasts ALL DAY (sometimes longer) Joye Absolute eGo 1000 mAh Battery (JOYEABSBATT). The one I have came with the Ego Tank system I ordered, but also works with standard 510 attys.

4) I also was thinking on getting a Passthrou…that’s where you can plug into your computer and vape on without having to charge batteries right? How do I know which one to get and does it affect the computer at all? Just got a new laptop and it’s my baby!

Not going to hurt your computer any more than a USB phone charger (which is not at all). If you're running the laptop on battery, it WILL drain the battery faster, but that's the only affect. Also, vapor production, for whatever reason, isn't as good with the passthru (but it's worth a shot, they're only like $15)


The sizzle/gurgling is back, still no throat hit, and I’m still a bit nauseous. And much to my disappointment even triple flavor isn’t enough. My smell & taste abilities are already so much better but I’m just not getting any flavor. I get a little smell but no sweet taste at all which is what I want/need. I guess I should try steeping them but that leaves me trying to figure out which one I can stand to vape for a week or two until the steeping is done.

Again, "gurgling" is bad, it means the atty is flooded. "Sizzling" is good, as long as it's not too loud (could indicate a dry atty, which I highly doubt is your problem). Flavor could be the juice you're using. Try checking out the e-liquid review forums. Also, there is a difference with PG and VG. PG, from what I understand, gives a better TH and flavor, but reduced vapor. While VG gives better vapor and less TH and flavor. I use a 50/50 mix. You might want to play around with different combos.

I'd also be interested to know what level of nicotine you are using? I was a pack/day Camel lights smoker and 18mg seems perfect for me. Using 24mg, I too was getting nicotine overdose symptoms. I also noticed that I tend to vape overall more than I smoked analogs (because it TASTES so much BETTER!!). Sometimes, I'd go crazy with it and get sick. Try having some different nic levels around and when you start feeling sick from it, switch to a lower/non-nic level.

Hope that helps

yes it did help! thank you so much! yes I was totally flooding my atty's...took the "keep it moist" to a whole new level

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

I just re-read your post.....Maybe you are also coming down with something like a cold or flu.....you do work around patients....just saying......
And I agree with mlinky, a Riva 510 is not that much bigger but will give you more of what you are looking for...... Liberty-flights has a Riva 510 kit for 29.99(after you click on the 20% link or use code ecf during checkout....Heck, bigger battery for less than what you paid for the 510 from Vapor whatever.

sas

no not coming down with anything (I'm a private duty nurse so I only have 1 patient & I work hard to keep that boy healthy!) from the info I've gotten here it seems I did in fact ingesting too much nic with all the leaking I had going on.

also I didn't want to move up to a bigger style, cause I like the fact that my Joey 510 looks and feels more like a analog but I'm now convinced I need to get a bigger/better battery. As suggested I'm looking for a Riva 510 but everybody seems to be out of them...I checked Liberty Flights but unless I'm missing something they are out too. I need to figure out something so I can get it ordered today. I can't go on much longer with this Joey 510, even after all the help I got here which made things better I'm still having to hit it hard enough to make my face hurt to get a half way decent hit. I equate it to someone who's use to smoking a full flavor analog trying to smoke a super lite analog, if that makes sense. and I was supposed to be sharing it with my husband...can't do that when you have to recharge batteries about every 45 min or so. I'm a much heavier vaper than he'll be so I'm gonna pass my Joey on to him. If you run across a Riva 510 kit somewhere not outrageously priced can you PM me please! Thanks again for all your help!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

I smoked for around 50 yrs. and I quit the day I started vaping. been 15 mo. now. Sorry about your problems. I think a couple good suggestions have been made. One thing though vaping is not the same as smoking and although you get your nic fix it's a different process entirely. It sounds like the throat hit your missing is because of your liquid and the first few puffs are stronger then your throat acclimates to the vapor. Remember this rule of thumb. PG gives more throat hit and VG better vapor. You need to find your level of vapor and throat hit by adjusting the two. Myself I have variable voltage Buzz and Infinity that I use with Ikenvapes cartomizers and I couldn't want any more flavor, throat hit or vapor. But I can adjust my voltage level to find the spot that's great for each juice I use.
I do hope you get it right and offer you good luck in your search.

Thank you so much for your input! Since getting all the wonderful feed back here I've figured out a few things, one being as you said it's not like smoking an analog. I was a fast smoker, with this I have to slow down and take it easy. Wish I had studied more about PG/VG stuff before I ordered 10 samples of the 70/30 ratio cause I can now tell the difference in those compared to the 50/50 I started out on. I'm not so worried about vapor output, I need more TH and taste!

 

[Sandfury]

Amy, sorry to hear that you got sick, I remember my first few days vaping, I was using 30mg nic juice and I was loving it so much that I was getting light headed and woozy. I learned really quickly I had to dial it back. I have since switched to a 18mg juice and/or my 30mg juice cut in half with vg (what I could find at the store with out ordering it online). Since then I have been able to vape pretty much when I want with out rocking my world. I was only a pack a day though so your mileage may very. Also on the flavor thing. I was totally in your same boat. I have tired about 10 different flavors and was getting nothing. Took some time but I finally found some that I like. Something else to add, the Ego-T model and the Go Go models I have, have been amazing, great hits everytime and I dont have to dink with them a whole bunch. The T holds about 1ml of juice and my Go Go holds about 3ml of juice, less fussing over all. Good luck on quiting analogs. You will get the hang of it soon.

Also on a side note welcome to the world of being connected. I swore just 6 years ago that I would never own a cell phone. My girl friend (now wife) convinced me to get one and about 2 years ago I got my first smart phone and I will never look back. If you have an Android phone these forums have Tapatalk activated on them and its a nice little app to view the forums on your phone.

Forgot to add, I have read over and over that to much VG will mute flavors. A lot of people will recommend 80%pg 20%vg for a good TH/vapor/flavor.

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Well lets start with the gurgling/sizzling. They are two different things, sizzling and a bit of popping when you push the button is good, weather you are drawing on it or not. Gurgling only happens when you draw and it indicates that you atty is flooded. You need to blow it out. unscrew it and hold a tissue over the threaded end and blow into the mouthpiece. when no more juice comes out clean it up and you are ready to vape again.

If you were a 2PAD smoker a small 510 isn't going to cut it for long you will constantly be changing batteries, when the size is no longer an issue you will want to move to an eGo style battery they will last 5+ hours for a moderate vaper.

If you are chain vaping 24mg may be a bit too strong and making you sick. You are getting juice in your mouth because you are sucking too hard, which happens when your atty is flooded, keeping your atty working properly should fix that.

What you are seeing under the bridge is the wick it is fine, you don't always see it but they are always there.

A pass-through would be a good idea but do not plug it into your computer, you will need a 2amp wall plug or powered USB hub to run a pass-through.

Cartomizers are probably a better option for you, most people prefer them, there are some with whistle tips but they won't look right on your 510, they are made to fit eGos, but you can put a drip tip in a cartomizer to make it more lip friendly. Just remove the drip tip to refill to prevent dripping down the air tube.

As for the cart filling sticking to the atty, it happens but it gets worse when you vape the cart dry.

If you keep from flooding your atty and blow it out when it is flooded most of your problems should be remedied.

Yes I was TOTALLY flooding my atty's, took "keep it moist" to a whole new level! Since cleaning up my atty's things are better. but I think you're right a 510 is not big enough to replace my 2PAD analog habit, I'm having to hit it way too hard which makes my face hurt. It's been suggested I get a Riva 510 and you say eGo. Can't find any Riva 510's in stock anywhere, haven't looked for an eGo yet but I NEED to order today so I gotta get to looking around.
thanks so much for your help...I am in love with ECF and it's wonderful people!

 

[DC2]

If you've cleaned up your atomizers and are still sucking that hard...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/85612-newbies-proper-inhalation-technique.html

Also, I noticed something was said about the cartridge filler sticking to the atomizer.
The solution to that problem is to NEVER twist the cartridge once it is attached to the atomizer.

Just push the cartridge straight on, and pull the cartridge straight off.

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Flooding the atty

And carts suck that way. You need to not overfull them. And I recommend the precut 510 blue foam stuffing from strictlyejuice.com. And when an atty is sizzling that is ok. When it is gurgling and vaping cool with weak vapor you have flooded it. Try the blue foam. On a full fill, pull the foam, fill the juice cup 1/2 way, insert the foam tapered end first, push the foam down into the liquid then reposition at the top edge and top off with 1-3 drops. But regardless of what you do, sometimes carts will dump juice in the atty or your mouth.

So get Boge standard resistance (not LR) cartomizers for a lot less hassle

yes, everyone was dead on about the flooded atty! Flooded to the max they were!
I'm still trying to digest all the info/help I've gotten here and I've come to see I do need to move up to something like a Riva 510 or eGo...would like the Riva 510 but can't find any in stock at the moment and I need to order TODAY! for various reasons.
Thanks so much for all your help! everyone here rocks!

 

[Amy the Addicted Nurse]

Sounds like you overdosed on nicotine.

Hang in there. It is harder for some than others to make the transition. There may still be a withdrawal period from the tobacco for you. My coworker has had a much harder time than I have with the transition. She is ill and moody. Can't stand her right now!! LOL!

Hang in there. If you need to have a ciggy or two, it's ok. Have one or two and go back to vaping. This isnt a race. You can take it as slow as you need to to stop smoking. Hang in there and dont give up trying!

yep totally od'ed on nic! totally flooding my atty's! NOOB!
ya know I never once thought about the withdrawals from the other chemicals in analogs, so between nic od and w/d's I had one hell of a few days!
thanks for the help!

 

[ancient puffer]

Hiya, Amy! I did a quick check and didn't see any Rivas, but cignot (https://www.cignot.com/product_p/kit-ego-all.htm) has the ego, which is the same thing, just rebranded for cignot. (Comes in PINK, too )

 

[giemonster]

Hi that's a great post and there is MUCH good feedback here. I'll keep my reply simple.

I have had some smiler symptoms with my 510. Like me and others that have replied to you I think some of of are just big smokers and not all e-cigs are designed for that. I still use a 510 but only when I'm out and about or when I need to be discreet. I purchased the "tank" add on for my 510 and that made a BIG difference for me, it's the only way to fly for me.

Also i upgraded to a eGo-T for home and driving around. The eGo-T is amazing and is suited for a heavy smoker.

Most important. I think you just need to ease up on your vaping your going to put yourself in a bad spot. No one said you HAD to quit smoking "real" cigs" so until your more used to vaping smoke a regular cig from time to time. I worried your going to make yourself VERY sick. E-liquid is NOT a toy and should be respected.