Please recommend an easy to use e-cig

[nonsmkr]

Hi,

I want to buy an e-cig for an elderly person as a gift. I think this person is a medium (or medium-heavy) smoker.

• Preferably I need an e-cig that doesn't require too much maintenance, I assume a large tank would help?
• It's also quite important that maintenance (refill etc) needs to be fairly easy for an elderly person (no tiny screws to work with etc). It's fine if the first time set up isn't as easy.
• Having adjustable features/parts is not a problem as long as adjustment doesn't need to be done regularly as part of maintenance/refill etc.
• The e-cig needs to be available to/in the UK.

I have checked a few e-cig comparison sites, but they all look like adverts or paid endorsement instead of genuine independent reviews. Please recommend good review sites if you know any.

It would be nice to know the pros and cons of the recommendations if possible.

I have never smoked or vaped, sorry if my questions don't make sense or are too trivial.

 

[djsvapour]

Hi,

I want to buy an e-cig for an elderly person as a gift. I think this person is a medium (or medium-heavy) smoker.

• Preferably I need an e-cig that doesn't require too much maintenance, I assume a large tank would help?
• It's also quite important that maintenance (refill etc) needs to be fairly easy for an elderly person (no tiny screws to work with etc). It's fine if the first time set up isn't as easy.
• Having adjustable features/parts is not a problem as long as adjustment doesn't need to be done regularly as part of maintenance/refill etc.
• The e-cig needs to be available to/in the UK.

I have checked a few e-cig comparison sites, but they all look like adverts or paid endorsement instead of genuine independent reviews. Please recommend good review sites if you know any.

It would be nice to know the pros and cons of the recommendations if possible.

I have never smoked or vaped, sorry if my questions don't make sense or are too trivial.

Welcome!

Hooray... you are 100% correct. There are almost NO review sites that give you the truth.
If you read the worst review sites, you are simply being manipulated to give up your money.

What is your budget? £19.99 gets your started.

eGo AIO E-Cigarette Kit and E-liquid

Personally, I'd get this instead.

INNOKIN ENDURA T18 STARTER KIT

You need to be VERY CAREFUL out there. Google is bought and paid for. The review sites basically mean people don't need a job and just sit back and get commission for their nefarious behavior.

 

[Joergl100]

Your questions are surely not trivial at all...and they make tons of sense!

It's a cardinal question: How can someone change from stinky and extremely dangerous cigarettes to much healthier consumption of nicotine and flavor with e-cigs?

If someone thinks: "My VaporGiant with stacked 26650s...is well for me, it will also do for the person who wants to quit killing smoking and change over to vaping!"

...thatone has a weird kind of thinking.

Nope. Doesn't work at all.

It should be convenient...it should satisfy...that's it.

Most of cigalikes - things that look like normal cigarettes...with some illumination frontsided...are scrap. Makes the willing changer go to unchange...and to further smoking poisonsticks.

One well thoughtaboutit recommendation from me myself is that:

$30.95 Authentic Innokin Endura T22 Starter Kit - 4.5ml / 1.5ohm / stainless steel + glass + aluminum alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Nice and easy...and not so expensive as some "capsuled" scrap...imo.

Edit:

German overtook from british vaper...does fully agree with his post!

 

[Hitmetwice]

Also I think worth mentionoing is the Evod Starter Kit.
KangerTech EVOD Starter Kit with BCC(Bottom Coil Changeable) Clearomizer
It comes with 2 complete set-ups(so she'll/he'll have a back-up) and enough extras etc. to last a couple months or more.
All she'll/he'll need is a fresh bottle of liquid every couple of weeks.
A certain level of motivation will be required if it is going to work. Only she/he can provide that. Good luck. Cheers.

 

[nonsmkr]

Thanks all for the recommendations.

I am willing to spend up to £100 if that's what it takes to have an elderly person friendly e-cig, the way I see it is spending £100 to save a person's life is a real bargain, having said that I think expensive e-cigs are geared towards fussy vapers who mod their kits which is not exactly what I'm after, actually it's quite the opposite I think as modding requires more effort to make it work.

Your recommendations have tank capacities between 1.6ml and 4ml, how many cigarettes do they equate to? I was looking at Kanger Nebox which offers a 10ml tank, is it any good? The reason I'm looking for a big tank is that I don't want the person to be put off by frequent refills, but if 2ml can last a month, I don't think 10ml is all that necessary.

I have a few recommendations to choose from now. What are the important things to look at when choosing e-cigs?

Thanks.

 

[Cheallaigh]

these are direct company links, better prices can be found online, I'm a kanger user myself so that's why I suggest them.

Kanger E-vod starter kit
Kanger EVOD PRO V2 Starter kit
EVOD PRO Starter kit
Kanger SUBVOD-C Starter kit

these two I recommend the most as additional tanks(top part) can be purchased same with bottom, so it's more replaceable.
Kanger SUBVOD Starter kit
Kanger SUBVOD Mega Starter kit

 

[djsvapour]

Thanks all for the recommendations.

Your recommendations have tank capacities between 1.6ml and 4ml, how many cigarettes do they equate to? I was looking at Kanger Nebox which offers a 10ml tank, is it any good? The reason I'm looking for a big tank is that I don't want the person to be put off by frequent refills, but if 2ml can last a month, I don't think 10ml is all that necessary.

NO. It's not any good.
You don't need to spend £100. £50 will get you bells and whistles.
I didn't recommend anything with 1.6ml.... (did I.... )

In the old days, people vaped 2-3ml a day. These days that's more or less doubled with the doubling of power... and the halving of e-liquid strength.

I use 3.5ml tanks from 9-5 and only fill them once a day. I vape on more enthusiast hardware in the evenings and weekend.

People don't like to talk about the maths involved, but you can expect to need about 50mg minimum in the liquid before you vape it. That won't give the user 50mg, because then we are into YIELD and that's less easy.

 

[Joergl100]

Right.

 

[nonsmkr]

Are there good e-cigs that come with big tanks or do good ones tend to come with medium sized tanks?

Should I buy an e-cig with a replaceable battery or a fixed battery?

What bells and whistles are worth having and why?

 

[Joergl100]

I recommend: Replaceable, because: Internal battery dead means...death for that nice item at all!

Tanks? Do what You like...



...or take five.

 

[Hitmetwice]

You want plug and play, minimal fuss right?
The more expensive types are normally more complicated.
They will also have larger tanks as they vapourize more liquid.
More liquid will need to be purchased as well=more costly to run.
With the Evod kit as long as the battery is fully charged, there is liquid in the tank and the connections are clean and dry it will work fine! And if it does not? Simply replace the coil. There are 5 spare coils in the kit.

Your friend should only need to top up the tank with liquid once maybe twice a day, even though it only holds about 1.5ml. Cheers.

 

[Eskie]

A tank in the 4 to 5 ml range is great to assure all day use without filling. If the person is using a higher nic containing juice and low power, even 2 ml can get them through the day. Generally kits will have tanks in the 2 to 4 ml range.

Replaceable batteries are always good for the day the battery will no longer hold a charge (happens to all of them). For a first, simple mod for someone just starting to stop smoking, I'm not sure it's as big an issue. You have no idea if the person you're getting it for will even take to vaping.

As for bells and whistles, for a first time vaper who you're not even sure will stick to it, I wouldn't get all crazy looking for fancy temp control. Stick with a basic, affordable, reliable kit. Multiple kits listed above will all be just fine. If your friend takes to it and wants to get into fancy stuff as a hobby, then you can go and spend lots of money on all sorts of bells and whistles. Hand your friend something more complicated than put some liquid in, push the fire button, and replace the little coil in the bottom of the tank every week or so, and it's more likely they'll just put it to the side and write it off as "too complicated".

 

[Cheallaigh]

easiest thing to do? buy two of the evod/subvod types... one charges while they use the other, and they can easily refill both at the same time if they run out of juice. because of the situation you described, that's why I recommended those, they are easier to use and simple enough for a beginner... bells and whistles are great, but see if they like this first and want to do more.

 

[djsvapour]

1. Are there good e-cigs that come with big tanks or do good ones tend to come with medium sized tanks?

2. Should I buy an e-cig with a replaceable battery or a fixed battery?

3. What bells and whistles are worth having and why?

1. Yes, but the 10ml product you found is not normal. Normal = 1.6ml - 5.00ml.
2. Not at this moment (and for your purposes)
3. Yes. Not at this moment.

Ideally, you don't want too small a tank. 1.6ml is small but might only require one extra fill.
Ideally, a replaceble battery makes more sense, but you're buying for someone else to try and 'get them into' e-cigs. You want a 'starter' kit not a Christmas present for an inquisitive 8 y.o.
In the long run, being able to adjust the power is almost universally a bonus.

 

[Cheallaigh]

oh and those two subvods I recommended? they're top filling, makes them easier than some.


I wish they would stop advertising the nebox... it's nicknamed the leakbox because it's garbage for a lot of people.

 

[djsvapour]

oh and those two subvods I recommended? they're top filling, makes them easier than some.

Yes. I agree.
The newer type of Kanger evod (evod top fill, 2016) is easier to fill than the old type of evod (2013) and the complications of filling, generally and changing the atomizer are basically the same.
Why buy old tech when you can buy new tech? If you can get your head around a 2013 Kanger Evod, then an Innokin T18 or Kanger Evod 2016 is no more complicated and performs better i.m.o.
I can't see a 'plus' for buying the old type... not really. (Price, maybe?)

 

[Hitmetwice]

I can't see a 'plus' for buying the old type... not really. (Price, maybe?)

There are 2 complete set-ups in the kit=advantage for less.
To have a back-up for the others one must buy 2 kits and the new vaper does not know their needs yet plus are unsure if they'll actually like and use the devices to go and buy 2 of them.
Any choice is better than continuing to smoke however. Cheers.

 

[zoiDman]

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I have never smoked or vaped, sorry if my questions don't make sense or are too trivial.

Hi nonsmkr. Welcome to the ECF.

Your Questions make perfect sense. And I have heard them asked Many Times by someone who is just getting Started. Or wants to get someone else Started.

You have received some Good Advise on Hardware. So I'll give you some Advise/Perspective in a Slightly Different direction.

1 - Keep things Simple.

If a Person tries an e-Cigarette and can go Smoke Free for 30 Days, the chances of them Never Buying another e-Cigarette again are about Zero. They are going to by another e-Cigarette. So don't get to Hung Up on trying to buy the "Best", or the Longest Battery Life, or the Biggest Tank, or the Most Watts.

Just Focus on something that is Easy to Use for the 1st 30 Days.

2 - Choice of e-Liquid is Probably More Important than Choice of Hardware.

No one can say what a Another person may or may not like Flavor-wise. So giving someone an e-Cigarette with only 1 Flavor of e-Liquid can be a Mistake. I would always give someone a couple of Different Flavors to try.

Same with Nicotine Level. Having a Great Flavor is about 1/2 the Battle. A Person also needs to have Enough Nicotine to replace what they were getting from Smoking. Buying a Range of Nicotine mg/ml levels is a Very Good Idea.

PG to VG Ratios are also Very Important. High Percentages of PG can make Many People Cough. Especially when New and might not be taking a Slower, Longer draw off their e-Cigarette than off a Cigarette. I would Recommend using a Higher Percentage of VG than PG at least in the beginning.

3 - If you give an e-Cigarette and some e-Liquids to someone and they say they Like the e-Cigarette and ____ e-Liquid, turn right around and buy them More of _____ e-Liquid. And more Coil Heads that go in their e-Cigarette.

If the Thin Line between Smoking and Not Smoking is the e-Cigarette/e-Liquid, they Can Not Run Out of either.

4 - Tell the Person about ECF. And encourage them to become a Member so they can Ask Question and get Support.

The are a Bazillion products out there. And a Gazillion possible combinations of these products. It is Very Nice to be able to Ask a Question about something and get an Answer from someone who actually uses or has used it.

5 - Don't let a what might be viewed as a Failure Stop you.

Many people take 1 Puff an e-Cigarette and Never Smoke again. But Many Don't. And Many (like myself) had to Ramp-Down on Cigarettes while Ramping-Up on my e-Cigarette. It can take Time for some people to Switch over Completely.

If a Person cuts their Smoking in 1/2, or gets down to just a Few a Day, that is Still a Success. A Big Success. Any Cigarette not smoked is a Success.

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Sorry for the Long Post. But what you are Doing is one of the Greatest Things you can do for another Person Health-wise. And I hope it can Help you and your Friend to be as successful as I was when I Switched to e-Cigarettes.

 

[Foggy Road]

Ok, we're talking about an elderly person here who has most likely been smoking for 150 years. All sorts of recommendations but where are the questions about health? Considerations for what this person's lungs might be able to handle?

Personally, as an old fart myself, afflicted with both COPD and emphysema I think anything sub-ohm is an absolutely ludicrous suggestion. My lungs would be so clogged with mucus that I'd suffocate. Sorry, Don't want to stomp on any toes but it dismays me that the subject hasn't even come up.

I was lucky to have started 18 months ago with a beginner device that was perfect for me. Impressive vapor *for a beginner* and very satisfying with 24mg juice. Unfortunatly it's been out of production for some time now. The Endura T18- T22 sounds like a perfect match for it with it's 1.5 ohm at 14watts. Easy top fill, could be a winner.

The old style Evods were great. Loved 'em for a long time. But the constant checking for and cleaning juice seepage from the 510 connector just isn't necessary these days. Can't speak for the newer version.

Whatever you decide to get go easy on the old fogey and try to stay between 1.5 to 2 ohm and 15-20 watts and let him/her decide where they want to go from there.

For juice at that power level I'd suggest 18-24mg nicotine tobacco (maybe coffee) flavor until they express interest in the candy stuff.

Just my three cents. Sorry if I've offended but health seems like it should always be a first concern when ya see the word elderly. Maybe ya just gotta be one ta know one?

 

[djsvapour]

I think anything sub-ohm is an absolutely ludicrous suggestion. My lungs would be so clogged with mucus that I'd suffocate. Sorry, Don't want to stomp on any toes but it dismays me that the subject hasn't even come up.

Most of the recommendations have been non-sub-ohm. The Subvod is, but it comes in around 22w even on a full charge.
It was a thoughtful post @Foggy Road and I agree with you on everything more or less. Nice work!