You didn't see the interview Phil did with Brandon, John and a guy from innokin about their new partnership? The sound was awful, so it was a little unclear (at least to me) what exactly they were partnering to make.
PLEASE! STOP! with the term " taste is subjective"!
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You didn't see the interview Phil did with Brandon, John and a guy from innokin about their new partnership? The sound was awful, so it was a little unclear (at least to me) what exactly they were partnering to make.
If the video posted in the last day or two I haven't yet seen it. Does it relate to this thread: My thoughts about sub-ohm and latest VV/VW devices.... I'm finding this discussion very enlightening!You should watch Phil and Brandon talk about the DNA 40. Very entertaining.
I'm happy I only own 2 mech mods (not counting my Reo's). Am waiting to get the next best thing! I'll know it when I see it -- once I have some more education under my belt.
You've probably already seen this, but in case you have not there is some good info already on it here and here. Some of the info is different from what was discussed in the video too.
And yes, I have the feeling that trying to explain VW to people (including some veteran vapers) was a walk in the park compared to what this is going to be like, LOL. It's all good fun though
I saw both.
From the latest one--just Phil and Brandon, released last night: first the DNA 40 (October 14, I believe). Then DNA 25, which I'm really looking forward to. He also said that he's already working with commercial coil makers (Aspire and Kanger) and they will soon introduce nickel coils that will be DNA 40 compatible.
When will China buy (clone) that chip? No idea.
If the video posted in the last day or two I haven't yet seen it. Does it relate to this thread: My thoughts about sub-ohm and latest VV/VW devices.... I'm finding this discussion very enlightening!
I'm happy I only own 2 mech mods (not counting my Reo's). Am waiting to get the next best thing! I'll know it when I see it -- once I have some more education under my belt.
From the modders forum--including Phil's latest video:
This is not totally off topic here:
Ok folks, I have been given the go ahead to open my mouth as of midnight. We were all told to wait until Phil Busardo posted his video, I dont have the link yet but check out his site for it. I hope you all appreciate me staying up past my bedtime to post this!
As most of you know, I have been on the Evolv beta Team for this one and I have been testing the unit for several weeks. It has become my "go to" mod without doubt. By dialing in the temp to suit my juice and coil combo, I then get very repeatable hits, and no dry hits ever, even when dripping.
The new DNA40 from Evolv - 40 Watt Variable Power Module with Temperature Protection
The blurb from Evolv:
Features:
- Input 3.1 to 4.3 volts
- Output 1vdc to 9vdc
- Max input current 16A
- 16A max continuous output current, 23A pulse
- Atty resistance (Kanthal) 0.2Ω to 2.0Ω
- Atty resistance (cold NI200) 0.1Ω to 1.0Ω
- Adjustable from 1 to 40 watts (Buck/Boost)
- Temperature protection adjustable from 200-600 degrees F
- Over/Under Voltage protection
- Over current protection
- Reverse polarity protection (finally)
- Battery monitoring with "soft limiting"
- New detachable side rails with screw holes for easy mounting.
The new DNA40 has all of the safety features of the previous DNA30 and finally adds reverse battery polarity protection to the mix! It also now has a buck circuit and can regulate as low as you want to go, down to 1 watt. (Hear that Tibs?)
The big new feature though is Temperature Limiting. Yeah, I know..... "Why do I want it?"
Temp protection adds several nice characteristics.
- You will never get a dry hit.
- By limiting temperature, as your wick gets dry the coil will heat up and the Temp Protection will throttle back the watts to keep from overheating, consequently no dry hits, just weak nothing hits to let you know you need juice.
- You will not burn your sensitive wicks nearly as easily, imagine cotton lasting for weeks.
- If you set your temp below the melting/burning/deterioration point of your wick material, it wont burn.
- You can optimize the experience according to the juice you are vaping.
- Different juices, ratios of PG/VG, even flavorings and sweeteners etc vaporize at different temperatures. Heat them up beyond their vaporization point and you are cooking/caramelizing/burning/scorching them.
- In a traditional VV/VW build you could potentially heat your PG/VG up to the point where it decomposed and creates toxins. This gives you the ability to stay well below those thresholds.
- Your hit will be the same from the first second until the last!
- Whether you pause your draw, hit harder, hit longer, the Temp Protection will keep the heat the same throughout your entire hit. More airflow across the coil cools it and the board allows more watts, a pause slows the airflow and the board cuts back the wattage.
In order to use Temp Protection you need to use NI200 (nickel) wire.
Commonly available at Temco,, some of you may know this as "non-resistance" wire used in some attys like the Ithika etc.
The reason it works is that NI200 has a known "temperature coefficient". In other words the coil resistance changes with temperature as the coil heats up. This relationship is known and well documented. The DNA40 constantly monitors the resistance while you fire and can then accurately calculate the temperature.
You can still use your old Kanthal builds, but you wont have the Temp Protection feature. The board will automatically sense whether you are using Kanthal or NI200.
Some other "good to know" things.
- You need a battery capable of 16A continuous
- If you remove the mounting rails it has the exact same footprint as the DNA30, the buttons are also in the exact same location.
- The locations for the Up/Down/Fire button wires to hook up to the board have changed. All six button terminals are across the top of the board now.
- If you are accustomed to snipping off the fire button to save space, you will have to do things differently now. One option is to cut the button off as before then solder 2 jumper wires onto the board. The other option is to just pop the top cover off the switch, removing the button but leaving the base. The reason is because there are 4 terminals on that switch, 2 terminals on each side of the switch are by default an electrical short or path. The board uses this path, so if you totally remove the switch you are breaking the circuit.
- The mounting rails just snap off, but if you leave them on, there are 4 nice holes that you can put screws through to mount the board.
- Because the NI200 wire changes resistance as it gets hotter, if you fired the atty then removed it to refill or whatever, when you put it back on the coil is still hotter than normal. This means that the resistance will be higher and it would throw the boards calculations off. Consequently the board will ask you if it is a new coil or the same old coil. It remembers the last coil resistance (read on insertion of an atty at room temp) which is what is always displayed since the actual resistance is always changing as it heats and cools.
My personal experience has been very positive. I never liked drippers before because of the inevitable dry hit, but with this, you dont get them. It actually allowed me to warm up to drippers for the first time (well.... the Taifun dripper and S.O.D. atty helped). I tried a number of different attys, resistances, gauges of NI200, and coil types. What I saw is at 35-40w and 420ish degrees, the watts will start out high then quickly taper down as you achieve temp, the hit however was consistent from start to finish. The board was reliable, I had no issues whatsoever, however a few beta testers did encounter the 0 ohm issue that has been seen on the DNA20/30s as well. Disconnecting the battery to reset the board resolves this.
Check out Phil Busardo's video, I think it will be on TASTEYOURJUICE.COM (and/or YOUTUBE.COM/pbusardo) it's about an hour long and has a good interview with Brandon from Evolv talking all about this new board and lots of info I may have missed.
And now, I am going to bed, 5:30am comes around REAL quick.
Cheers,
Mike
You've probably already seen this, but in case you have not there is some good info already on it here and here. Some of the info is different from what was discussed in the video too.
And yes, I have the feeling that trying to explain VW to people (including some veteran vapers) was a walk in the park compared to what this is going to be like, LOL. It's all good fun though
That's the problem with my setups, ProVaris/Davides, plug and play, I don't need to know squat about squat. Really hard to help todays newbies when I haven't even seen or held much of the stuff out there.
Need to work on that. Hate homework.
You've probably already seen this, but in case you have not there is some good info already on it here and here. Some of the info is different from what was discussed in the video too.
And yes, I have the feeling that trying to explain VW to people (including some veteran vapers) was a walk in the park compared to what this is going to be like, LOL. It's all good fun though
I actually have read those. My questions were along the lines of who Brandon considers to be their target consumer.
With this device, you'll be able to do pretty much what you want--safely. Big clouds/low temperature; little clouds/high temperature, whatever.
Both "enthusiasts " (the DNA 40) and regular peeps (DNA 25) who like Kanger clearos and low wattages! WOOT!
That's the problem with my setups, ProVaris/Davides, plug and play, I don't need to know squat about squat. Really hard to help todays newbies when I haven't even seen or held much of the stuff out there.
I really think this chip has the potential to make vaping fun and easy again. Really. This is such a beautiful idea. You control wattage (power, volume) independently of temperature (taste, safety).
Watch the video.
With this device, you'll be able to do pretty much what you want--safely. Big clouds/low temperature; little clouds/high temperature, whatever.
That was an imagined post we will read in the New Members forum. I doubt many of them will get a DNA40 at first, but as soon as the idea of temperature becomes a Hot Topic people are going to start asking what temperature a Kanger head should be vaped at.
As for me, subjectively,
I don't get dry hits or burning because I vape the same gear all the time and know how to set it for what I like. I get the same hit from start to finish because I have a ProVari.
My rant for the day -- What's it with all these spammers the past week? They are always hitting around this time (give or take an hour or two). Two more right now. One has posted 19 thread the 2nd one has just started.
Mods must be in a meeting or on a break.
Mods must be in a meeting or on a break.
That was an imagined post we will read in the New Members forum. I doubt many of them will get a DNA40 at first, but as soon as the idea of temperature becomes a Hot Topic people are going to start asking what temperature a Kanger head should be vaped at.
As for me, subjectively,
I don't get dry hits or burning because I vape the same gear all the time and know how to set it for what I like. I get the same hit from start to finish because I have a ProVari.
True, but the ProVari can't separate the temperature of the coil from wattage--the higher the watts (voltage, whatever) the higher the temp of the coil. With DNA 40, those two are finally uncoupled--you can have more or less volume and more or less heat--as you please. That's a game changer for me. It's not about accuracy any more--it's a totally different ball game.
If you set your coil at 400 deg F, you can vape your atty dry--with cotton inside--and will never scorch.
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im with you, adding "taste is subjective" is silly people need to start using "imo"... we are not in highschool trying to get that second page using double space and upping the times new roman font a little bit lol.
but seriously,
i dont like it when people add almost no explanation on their review. If it deserves 5 stars i like to read an explanation, strong flavor? mellow? on par with what it is supposed to me mimicking? But this is especially true for the 1 stars.
but seriously,
i dont like it when people add almost no explanation on their review. If it deserves 5 stars i like to read an explanation, strong flavor? mellow? on par with what it is supposed to me mimicking? But this is especially true for the 1 stars.
My rant for the day -- What's it with all these spammers the past week? They are always hitting around this time (give or take an hour or two). Two more right now. One has posted 19 thread the 2nd one has just started.
Mods must be in a meeting or on a break.
Or back in the billiard room with the keg. 19 threads? That's the second best I've seen.
They're spamming about call girls?! 
We're the only legit (using that word loosely) thread on the page.
We're the only legit (using that word loosely) thread on the page.
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