With the extension granted to cigars, im truly surprised a petition for an injunction hasn't been filled...
PMTAs - who is doing what?
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No I expect the flood to happen when the average vaper going in to a shop or convenience store can no longer get the pods/coils/liquid/devices they are used to having ready access to and therefore have little to no supply on stock. The average vaper IS ignorant. Weather it is willfully or because shopkeepers are not telling them what is going on matters little in the end. They are still screwed. That is when the panic will hit for those determined to stay off cigs and they will start googling for solutions. Many will land here.
Delaware Vapor is shutting down their website on the 9th until they can make their inventory FDA compliant. Thought I'd mention it since it's the only place I know of where you can still get the squonk pin for the SOV RDA.
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Awesome...thanks for the list! So all is not lost.... I was so afraid that after Sept 9th I would be facing either A. Quite vaping or B. go back to the stinkies....
I’ve been to the online forums *I* know of (just the usual suspects) and to be honest my mind is blown how little activity I’m seeing about 9/9; even twitter hashtag searches (“wevapewevote,” “PMTA,” “vaperally”) is not generating NEARLY the traffic I was seeing back in November over the “flavor ban” (talk about not seeing the forest for the trees).
My 3.5 years working at a vape shop taught me that at least a reasonably large cross-section of local vapers felt ambivalent or disinterested in any kind of awareness regarding regs, and far fewer cared about activism. These were the same people who had families to support and worked hard every day so I am not trying to persecute them or declare they deserve to be “punished” for disbelieving the warnings, but at the same time, I am naturally curious about things I enjoy and if I am buying a juice and a coil once a week from a local B&M and they mentioned that it might get taken away, I would at least do a little cursory research to find out more about why.
Myrany - I 100% agree with your prediction that when/if products “mysteriously disappear” as soon as this week there will be an influx of google searches that will lead to this forum and a few others. If I were to put on the hat of the observer - which I have resigned myself to, if I must be honest, due to the vitriolic nature of much of the discussion around the regs, plus, I have done as much advocacy as I feel was my part, with low returns as people refused to listen - then I would be fascinated by what is likely coming down the pipe (no pun intended).
I do feel mournful for those who cannot prepare due to financial issues or for those who just discovered vaping might work for them. But it feels like I have been mournful about it since 2016 and sadly, I have gotten used to that feeling.
When I smoked, the forethought required was getting another pack or carton and finding the lighter. We shouldn't be surprised that many average vapers buying locally have almost no idea. The flavor bans, statewide bans and dangerous THC cartridges were majority of the headlines over the last year, not the more involved Deeming stuff. If their vape shop or a friend didn't mention it they could easily be unaware.
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For sure - and I hope I was clear that a great deal of my customers were workaday blue collar folks who often had to scrape for change to buy their weekly supply and I have every sympathy for them (on the vaping issue).
And since so much legislation was pushed back (even here in WA, there were several taxation initiatives that never made it to the legislative floor, contributing to the “chicken little” personality those of us trying to generate awareness were perceived to have) I can also understand the naïveté some may possess that if it isn’t being limited today, it may get limited down the road, but not today, and today is what matters.
Why has the vaping industry seemingly failed so badly at generating awareness, though? I have seen remarks that The Industry did not take initiative and let the responsibility fall onto the shoulders of vapers. According to “common knowledge” it seems the Industry was busy making money instead of working to acquire lobbyists, etc.
But on the flip side of that, the Enemy of vaping has a vast war chest that the vapers do not, correct? A few YouTube channels and niche websites are no match for advertising resources that can reach millions with a snap of the finger.
So I do understand that the everyday person who happens to vape is not necessarily complicit in the failure of securing the future of vaping. The tragedy is that so many people who did transition away from cigarettes to vaping understand the drastic improvement of their quality of life - perhaps even extending its length - which makes this literally a life and death issue, and now, due to circumstances beyond their control, will see it diminished.
Perhaps I could include one small argument on behalf of user engagement: whereas smoking meant buying the cigarettes and a lighter, not requiring much forethought or expertise, choosing a vape and a favored (I meant “favored” and not “flavored”) eliquid does require a little bit more premeditation, and I would think, understanding of how vaping works in general (for instance, when I smoked, I never thought about what constituted the material inside the filter). I never spent time talking to the 7/11 clerk about the variation between a Marlboro and Camels. I also understand that not every engagement at a B&M meant a lengthy discussion about the nature of vaping but there was *some*. I would think the culture around vaping would at least contribute to more awareness by default, but as it has been said over and over again, including by me, a lot of vape shops and their employees also seem to be in the dark or in denial of the PMTA altogether. Why is that?
I do not believe the majority are in the dark. Misinformed certainly but aware. My 15 yo GD even knows about what is going on datewise but thinks it is to protect young people from the likes of Juul types. I give up.
It is purely anecdotal, and I am not referring to this forum specifically (since its users seem to be generally more alert regarding current events), but I marvel at a vaping website wherein 95% of the posts are questions about pod mods when in two days the PMTA is supposed to go into effect. I’m like
I just checked the websites for the three local vape shops. Not one clearance sale or even a Labor Day sale. One site has a video on PMTAs buried under their news tab, but other than that, no one would think that anything was amiss. They could be planning on just shutting their doors on September 10, but more likely they're gonna keep selling until they can't get any more inventory and are forced to shut down. They might get some nasty letters from the FDA, but this place isn't likely to see in person inspectors during the pandemic, even though it is safer here than the big cities.
I'm thinking that many will wait until they get a formal Cease and Desist order before they stop or at start planning to stop. I hope they at least give their customers a bit of a heads up.
Wondering how/if our friendly shops that we supported over the years are going to price gouge us....
Maybe that's why no sales.
Maybe that's why no sales.
How Many B&M's and e-Cigarettes websites made an Effort to inform their Customer what the FDA was Doing? And what was coming?
1 out of 5?
1 out of 10?
1 out of 50?
About Zilch? (Winner! - Winner! Chicken Dinner.)
Why? Simple... Just Like when we See things like Slanted Legislation here on the ECF, or some Crooked Study, what do we say?
Follow the Money.
And Face it, B&M's and e-Cig websites Don't get Rich peddling Hardware. No. But they Do Make Money Hand over Fist selling e-Liquids.
So Why would you Inform your Customers about how the Neck of the Golden Goose is going to get Snapped by the FDA? And scare all those hard working people into thinking about something like DIY? How ya gonna make Money when All your Regulars stop Buying their Monthly supply of e-Liquids from you?
Because once someone sees how Easy DIY is, and what they were Pay'n 20 or 30 Bucks for, they can Now make for Pennies, well... it's kinda Over.
So, the OVERWHELMING Majority of B&M's and e-Cigarette websites Zipped their Collective Lips. And words like "Deeming" or "PMTA" or "CASAA" or "AVA" became verboten.
And those who could have Reached just about Every Single Vaper in the USA, didn't.
In the Immortal words of Roger Hodgson...
Who are these men of Lust, Greed, and Glory?
Rip Off the masks and Let's See
But that's Not Right... oh no, What's the story?
Look there's You and there's Me
That Can't be Right?
Is it?
Received a reply from Good Life Vapor, they have not applied for any PMTAs on any of their juices, will keep selling until they are forced to shut down. Stock up people!
Got this announcement from NicVape:
️Urgent!! Last chance to stock up on supplies before PMTA deadline
️Urgent!! Last chance to stock up on supplies before PMTA deadline
Made me so sad when I got that. I love their products especially the flavorings. Odd they are only offering a 15% discount when in the past they have had sales with 50% off.Got this announcement from NicVape:
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