Possible Ceramic wick... possibly worldwide.

[Rick.45cal]

Hey guys, I've been doing some digging for the folks outside of the US who want ceramic wick. I just came across this:
It might be worth contacting this company. I have not yet had an opportunity to study this, and was hoping by posting this here, that people will be responsible and research this before anyone tries it. I'm hoping you guys who can't get nextel, would be doing to do some legwork and figure out if this is appropriate for your uses.

I am not recommending this, as I said, I have not researched or contacted this company. It appears to be the same refractory ceramic as is in the nextel. Look at page 3.

Happy hunting!

MSDS sheets are located here:

 

[Repent]

Rick you're the "shiznit" for all the work you do here at GG.

Hey guys, I've been doing some digging for the folks outside of the US who want ceramic wick. I just came across this: http://www.fiberfrax.com/files/Fiberfrax-Ropes-Braids.pdf

It might be worth contacting this company. I have not yet had an opportunity to study this, and was hoping by posting this here, that people will be responsible and research this before anyone tries it. I'm hoping you guys who can't get nextel, would be doing to do some legwork and figure out if this is appropriate for your uses.

I am not recommending this, as I said, I have not researched or contacted this company. It appears to be the same refractory ceramic as is in the nextel. Look at page 3.

Happy hunting!

MSDS sheets are located here: Fiberfrax Refractory Ceramic Fiber - Fiberfrax High Temperature Insulation

 

[MagnusEunson]

Hrmm. I just started looking at this... two things of interest:

1) It does appear that EAR classification for exception of export to all the usual players exist. Or licenses would be minimally cumbersome depending on quantities. So besides the normal off-limits embargoed countries, this looks like it could get anywhere in the world. I can do a proper EAR breakdown per country only given intended use and quantities and then anybody would have to take it from there to determine their Legal approach for the export.

2) I'm not sure this is as safe as 3M's offering. Notably there does appear to be some research indicating mesotheliomas, dissolving in fluids, etc. but I'd have to do some further reading to do a proper comparison. Refractory ceramic fibers (CASRN Not found) | IRIS | US EPA && http://ramazzini.it/ricerca/pdfUpload/Eur J Oncol Vol 3 241-249_1998.pdf ..

Further thoughts anyone? If someone has perspective on (2) that seems more promising than I'm reading then I can help chase down (1). -Magnus

 

[wigglr]

I have no problem shipping worldwide if somebody needs a middleman

 

[Papa Hoyt]

I have no problem shipping worldwide if somebody needs a middleman

Do you have a problem sharing a bunk with "Bubba" up at the big house?

Just sayin'

 

[Rick.45cal]

http://www.fiberfrax.com/files/Fiberfrax-Ropes-Braids-Wicking-Woven-Textiles-126-MSDS-M0085.pdf

There's the MSDS Data. In my honest opinion I would stay away from this stuff!!!

Imeo, PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD!

 

[Rick.45cal]

Hrmm. I just started looking at this... two things of interest:

1) It does appear that EAR classification for exception of export to all the usual players exist. Or licenses would be minimally cumbersome depending on quantities. So besides the normal off-limits embargoed countries, this looks like it could get anywhere in the world. I can do a proper EAR breakdown per country only given intended use and quantities and then anybody would have to take it from there to determine their Legal approach for the export.

2) I'm not sure this is as safe as 3M's offering. Notably there does appear to be some research indicating mesotheliomas, dissolving in fluids, etc. but I'd have to do some further reading to do a proper comparison. Refractory ceramic fibers (CASRN Not found) | IRIS | US EPA && http://ramazzini.it/ricerca/pdfUpload/Eur J Oncol Vol 3 241-249_1998.pdf ..

Further thoughts anyone? If someone has perspective on (2) that seems more promising than I'm reading then I can help chase down (1). -Magnus

I agree with your assesment on number 2. Magnus. I would not want anyone to risk using this stuff. I sincerely apologize to the GG community for getting overly excited. Carry on

 

[Rick.45cal]

From the MSDS sheet:

TOXICOLOGY
A number of toxicological studies designed to identify any potential health effects from RCF exposure have been
completed. In one study, conducted by the Research and Consulting Company, (Geneva, Switzerland), rats and
hamsters were exposed to 30 mg/m³ (about 200 fibers/cc) of specially-prepared RCF for 6 hours/day, 5
days/week, for up to 24 months. In rats, a statistically significant increase in lung tumors was observed; two
mesotheliomas (cancer of the pleural lining between the chest wall and lung) were also identified. Hamsters did
not develop lung tumors; however, interstitial fibrosis and mesothelioma was found. Some, in the scientific
community, have concluded that the “maximum tolerated dose” was exceeded and that significant particle
contamination was a confounding issue; therefore, these study findings may not represent an accurate
assessment of the potential for RCF to produce adverse health effects.
In a related multi-dose study with a similar protocol, other rats were exposed to doses of 16 mg/m³, 9 mg/m³, 3
mg/m³ which corresponds to about 115, 75, and 25 fibers per cubic centimeter respectively. This study found no
statistically significant increase in lung cancer. Some cases of pleural and parenchymal fibrosis were seen in the
16 mg/m³ dose group. Some cases of mild fibrosis and one mesothelioma were observed in the 9 mg/m³ group.
No acute respiratory effects were seen in the rats in the 3 mg/m³ exposure group, which suggests that there may
be a dose/response threshold, below which irreversible respiratory impacts do not occur.
Other toxicological studies have been conducted which utilized non-physiological exposure methods such as
intrapleural, intraperitoneal and intratracheal implantation or injection. Some of these studies have found that RCF
is a potential carcinogen. Some experts, however, suggest that these tests have limited relevance because they
bypass many of the biological mechanisms that prevent fiber deposition or facilitate fiber clearance.
To obtain more epidemiology or toxicology information, please call the toll free telephone number for the Unifrax I
LLC Product Stewardship Program found in Section 16 - Other Information.

 

[MagnusEunson]

http://www.fiberfrax.com/files/Fiberfrax-Ropes-Braids-Wicking-Woven-Textiles-126-MSDS-M0085.pdf

There's the MSDS Data. In my honest opinion I would stay away from this stuff!!!

Imeo, PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD!

Good, I'm glad you were direct about it.. I agree. -Magnus

 

[imeothanasis]

No reason to delete the thread to my opinion Rick. It shows your concern for better and safer wicks. It also shows that you want to give the best you can.

 

[Rick.45cal]

Ok Imeo, I just want to make sure no one gets hurt! The most important thing to me is that the vaping community stays safe, healthy and happy

 

[Repent]

You'd hope that those dumb (...) enough to just jump at anything and everything despite your clear warnings concerning due diligence in the original post couldn't read anyway so, no harm no foul right?

Sorry if that sounds like a rant. I'm way past sick and tired of our society passing the blame for their actions onto something or someone else. I mean, really, who needs to be responsible for their actions nowadays anyway? Just blame it on some "newly defined" malady.

One of my favs: I wasn't kicking you last night in bed because you were snoring honey, I've got "restless leg syndrome". LOL

 

[Rick.45cal]

LMAO at "restless leg syndrome"

 

[Repent]

LMAO at "restless leg syndrome"

It's a common joke between me and the wife. Truth be told, I do kick her at night when she is snoring and blame it on restless leg syndrome. She does the same to me. LOL

 

[silentt]

I have been told from the doc I have that so I wrap my **** in a knot around my legs



but really I do have it, I'm an insomniac who loves to break dance in my sleep

 

[Repent]

I find as a general rule that if I don't do that I drag it on the ground behind me.

I have been told from the doc I have that so I wrap my **** in a knot around my legs



but really I do have it, I'm an insomniac who loves to break dance in my sleep

 

[gredie]

I have found some interesting wick in Germany.

DIN 4102 A1 non-flammable
appr. +1200°C using- and appr. +1500°C melting temperature
good electric resistance
good chemical resistance except riveracid, etc.
appr. 98% SiO2
no itching, made out of 6 micron yarn
toxicologically harmless
Asbestos free, no organic parts
non respirable

34708 silicate-rope, dia 1,2 mm max. permanent temp. 1000 °C, appr. 20 mtr.-roll
Cords.-.Lippmann GmbH

What do you guys think of it? Would it be worth to have a closer look?