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Jimi D.

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You must have used untreated wick... (torching does not treat it properly) In my 3 years of vaping, XC-116 is hands-down the cleanest tasting, best wicking, and most durable wicking material I've used. :) The next best to me is German silica.
Oh yeah it was untreated. Personally, I just worry if there would be trace amounts of that chemical left behind. I don't want anything to do with that experience again :D

German silica is fantastic. I use it, and the rope silica. I just torch my silica's and I'm very happy with the taste. :)
 

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Hey everyone what's going on ? I really don't write reviews much but this stuff is great . I received 2 feet of treated xc116 , it wicks awesome and is the cleanest taste out of silica or echowool. Its the perfect thickness and very strong to build coils makes it very easy . But so clean flavor and I'm using 100% VG. I'm rebuilding everything I have with this stuff . Just wanted to give my review.

I second that, I use it too...and loving it....no side taste or anything (I do also pre-torch it to remove any residue, that may still be there)
 

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Oh yeah it was untreated. Personally, I just worry if there would be trace amounts of that chemical left behind. I don't want anything to do with that experience again :D

German silica is fantastic. I use it, and the rope silica. I just torch my silica's and I'm very happy with the taste. :)

where do you get german silica?
 

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I bought some, 1 foot, and used it up. After about 3-4 cleanings it broke down. I enjoyed using it, and it lasted longer than ekowool. coincidently (perhaps) I developed a sore throat and bronchial irritation, which may have been a cold. I was concerned about the shiny dust, but it appears that it is not unsafe. I bought a couple more feet. My nose and throat are better, so if the symptoms come back I'll consider it conclusive to be from the Nextel. I kinda expected it to last longer than it did, I think it's a bit over priced.
 

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I've been chain vaping with a low resistance coil on my immortalizer with a Nextel wick for almost a month using the same 1.5" section of wick and have experienced no ill effects. Did you get yours from SnG or RBA Supplies?

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RBA Supplies. I was happy with it, performance etc. I'm over the cold symptoms and I'm putting a Nextel set-up in a Rocket atty right now. I don't think I'll have any problems either.

I have an Immortalizer (clone) coming in from Slow Tech hopefully sometime this week. I'm really looking forward to it, I have a bunch of ribbon wire all set to go.
 

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Oh yeah it was untreated. Personally, I just worry if there would be trace amounts of that chemical left behind. I don't want anything to do with that experience again :D

German silica is fantastic. I use it, and the rope silica. I just torch my silica's and I'm very happy with the taste. :)

Agree with you on the German silica. Me, I'm flavor sensitive and silica has it's own distinctive taste that's consistent whatever the source which resembles tasting through cardboard. The German stuff less so. I got acclimated to it for a time as the price that had to be paid for quitting. I found Ekowool to again have its own flavor signature and sometimes depending on the source quite pungent and intrusive. It mellows with curing and washes, more durable than silica.

I agree with techno though on XC's flavor neutrality if it's properly treated. I've been studying this wick media for five months Jimi trying to gauge its usefulness longterm. I've not come across the flavor problem you encountered on braid that's been properly treated. Would you mind sharing your source for that buy. As with alcohol, I suspect a vendor/s may be introducing something as a deterrent to folks using it for a purpose for which its not intended, if you get my meaning.

Anyway, Happy Holidays to you and yours.

Good luck.

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RBA Supplies. I was happy with it, performance etc. I'm over the cold symptoms and I'm putting a Nextel set-up in a Rocket atty right now. I don't think I'll have any problems either.

I have an Immortalizer (clone) coming in from Slow Tech hopefully sometime this week. I'm really looking forward to it, I have a bunch of ribbon wire all set to go.

You'll love the Immo once you get past the fidgety set-ups with those tiny nervous screws. Started with several clones, kept one and replaced the others with three originals. Most impressive device I've encountered since I started vaping six months ago. At first first I was concerned the math looked to be lying on what it could do but at the end of the day Mother Nature rules (physics) and it has proven to be capable of considerable flavorful vapor without the intense warmth I had seen from other drippers. It far more resembles a cigar than I had anticipated, a welcome attribute. I wrote on the Immortalizer thread…


...I'm kinda freakin' this morning (to the good side). 'Cause I'm really likin' what tension wind is doing to my ribbon coils for the Immo. And where I was having problems fixing difficult to correct overlaps with torching, not messin' with 'em now. I wick the things. Let 'em spring back into position, BAM, contact. Pulse. 3-2-1-IGNITION! We have a launch Houston...:)

The past few weeks I've been ratcheting up builds for the Protank really workin' the torsion wind and I started doing some good tension winds on high-turn ribbon coils for the Immo. Before on 6/7, .5x.1 at 2mm I was running upwards of 1.6Ω to 1.8, depending on the tightness of my install. Past two with torsion and really tight install more like 1.4Ω and the clouds are coming P. The next 5/6 trials, I have several Immo's, should hopefully put me in the 1.1-1.2 zone which is likely where I want to be power wise. Here's a few snaps…

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Because torsion's inducing metal memory I am pretty much maintaining a contact coil "effect" with these winds. I believe this is really boosting both flavor and vapor. Certainly not the kind I get from a Trident or Helios on a single. But comparable to the formidable vapor I'm seeing from The Forge with its variable airflow. Better when I open these honeys up. I was a bit forlorn until I got it there. And I'm heading down your way on resistance. But I really hate to give up the 6/7 wind concerned about what the loss of surface area may do to flavor. Don't want to sacrifice one for the other. And this is built as tight as it can go at this time.

To bring this back on topic, I tried cotton right away and a big pouffy handlebar mustache wick worked famously on that first build at 1.8Ω, rather tight in the coil, but not enough to curtail acceptable vapor. A good balance of vapor and capacity. A little less more vapor, more refills. But I've been running the XC-116 Ceramic since. You'll need more than you think. So I run out an extra 3/8" or so holding both ends of a single threaded line of wick with a forceps as I tighten down the top cap. Then I twirl that remainder back in through the hole guiding both ends carefully with a thin screwdriver as I rotate the topper. That lays the wick ends out along the sides but with enough wick it does not fall to the bottom of the base obstructing airflow. Neither does it obstruct airflow and draw upwards as a circular suspended wick would which optimizes air delivery to the coil from below. And capacity is as good or better than the cotton builds I was able to accomplish on 2-2.5 mm.

Closed up, not opening up the sleeve for air, it's putting out some respectable vapor with lung hits. More than cotton by virtue of the amount of wick I'm able to use with this method. Previously it was dismally inadequate with a simple coil. A figure eight worked best, but I'm fusing ribbon contact coils with the tension technique I describe to reach 1.4Ω with 6/7 .5x.1 ribbon. I'm still re-thinking the methods as I would like to include a vortex wick solution in this scheme. If I do, it'll be on the Immortalizer thread.

Happy Holicays. Good luck. I think you'll enjoy this experience.

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I bought some, 1 foot, and used it up. After about 3-4 cleanings it broke down. I enjoyed using it, and it lasted longer than ekowool. coincidently (perhaps) I developed a sore throat and bronchial irritation, which may have been a cold. I was concerned about the shiny dust, but it appears that it is not unsafe. I bought a couple more feet. My nose and throat are better, so if the symptoms come back I'll consider it conclusive to be from the Nextel. I kinda expected it to last longer than it did, I think it's a bit over priced.

The XC-116 installs I've had over the last month are all still in place. I simply slide over a bit of the wick, then the other, torching both ends and only very slightly after running the base under some water and dampening it dry. Can't beat that kind of utility. And the flow through the wicks seems to improve as they cure, along with flavor. Just don't over torch as it can prematurely fray the wick and add some combustion flavor notes. That is all. A bargain in time and money, and aggravation with the persnickety screws, I might add.

Happy Holidays. Good luck.

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The XC-116 installs I've had over the last month are all still in place. I simply slide over a bit of the wick, then the other, torching both ends and only very slightly after running the base under some water and dampening it dry. Can't beat that kind of utility. And the flow through the wicks seems to improve as they cure, along with flavor. Just don't over torch as it can prematurely fray the wick and add some combustion flavor notes. That is all. A bargain in time and money, and aggravation with the persnickety screws, I might add.

Happy Holidays. Good luck.

:)

Yea, I've been wrapping the wire very tight, and over torching when cleaning. I think I can get more time out of them if I try.

Happy Holidays to you too.
 

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Oops, I posted in the other thread accidentally...

Is the NEXTEL material better than Cotton? I've been using cotton almost exclusively for a while now - Silica and Ekowool just simply taste funny/chemically to me compared to cotton. The only bad thing is I find myself replacing the cotton wick every tank (using Kayfun/Taifun so it's pretty simple - but still)
 

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Oops, I posted in the other thread accidentally...

Is the NEXTEL material better than Cotton? I've been using cotton almost exclusively for a while now - Silica and Ekowool just simply taste funny/chemically to me compared to cotton. The only bad thing is I find myself replacing the cotton wick every tank (using Kayfun/Taifun so it's pretty simple - but still)

Well, that depends on person, but for me I much prefer cotton. I didn't even really find Nextel to offer better flavor than ekowool or German silica. Other than it's durability, I didn't find much to recommend about it.
 

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Well, that depends on person, but for me I much prefer cotton. I didn't even really find Nextel to offer better flavor than ekowool or German silica. Other than it's durability, I didn't find much to recommend about it.

I really wanted to like the XC-116, especially considering the cost, but I just don't. Tastes funky to me- especially after a dry burn, much like silica or ekowool. Cotton can't be beat in my humble opinion.
 

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I really wanted to like the XC-116, especially considering the cost, but I just don't. Tastes funky to me- especially after a dry burn, much like silica or ekowool. Cotton can't be beat in my humble opinion.
It really depends on application. For a dripper 116 is king when done right. 1/8" 24Ga 5-6 wraps, twist your nextel through an d expand it into the coils by opening the middle channel. I prefer 6 wraps at around .6. I doubt I will find a more reliable setup than that. The fat wire lasts forever and the nextel lasts longer than that. If you have a lighter on you then your good, preferably a mini torch.

I get 0 funky flavor from it when using it right. When you pulse your coils red after extensive use you are essentially making the gunk into an ash and when you reapply juice it leaches into it. You have a few options to get around this. If you are simply switching flavors, press your fire button for a second and put flame to it. Let all the juice burn off of it and your ready to go with no funk when it dries. Dont pulse the button after the fire starts unless it looks like its going out.

Situation 2 is your VP is dropping and your coil is going black, flavor isn't quite there anymore..etc. When you do the above periodically this only needs to happen once a month or less depending on your juice.
1.Perform the same procedure as above
2.Take the nextel out of the coil
3.Pulse your coils red and blow on it to get the ash off or scrub it with something. Rinse your atty off with water and pat dry.
4.torch your nextel off the atty completely until it glows white and looks clean again
5.After it has cooled down wet the nextel with juice and twist it back into the coils and its basically back to day 1

or

you can just dry burn it, hold your atty off the battery sideways and rinse it with a little water, pulse until the water is gone, then reapply juice

or

you can dry burn it and vape through 12-15 puffs of Ashy Larry and have it rocking again.

The initial taste of 116 is better than cotton when done this way in a dripper. The overall taste is greater than or equal to cotton, and it maintains this level for waaaaaay longer than cotton. It is overall less maintainance than cotton in a heat intensive utility. The cost is much greater but the ceramic wicks can be used over and over again so it isn't as expensive as it would seem long term.

In a genny I haven't tried it but I doubt it would be very good compared with mesh or AO.

In a Kayfun style atty I would take hemp fiber or rolled cotton AO hybrid>hemp fiber>cotton>116>132>ekowool>silica

in a taifun style/fogger atty I would take 116>cotton

in a PTII style I would take 132 with a coil wrapped around a 14Ga syringe needle(if I remember correctly) and the 132 twisted through, a flavor wick of 132, and a little hemp fiber diaper on the outside after assembled if leaking becomes a problem.

So basically the only applications I can see cotton being better is in a kayfun style atty or in a genny if done right.
 

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It really depends on application. For a dripper 116 is king when done right. 1/8" 24Ga 5-6 wraps, twist your nextel through an d expand it into the coils by opening the middle channel. I prefer 6 wraps at around .6. I doubt I will find a more reliable setup than that. The fat wire lasts forever and the nextel lasts longer than that. If you have a lighter on you then your good, preferably a mini torch.

I get 0 funky flavor from it when using it right. When you pulse your coils red after extensive use you are essentially making the gunk into an ash and when you reapply juice it leaches into it. You have a few options to get around this. If you are simply switching flavors, press your fire button for a second and put flame to it. Let all the juice burn off of it and your ready to go with no funk when it dries. Dont pulse the button after the fire starts unless it looks like its going out.

Situation 2 is your VP is dropping and your coil is going black, flavor isn't quite there anymore..etc. When you do the above periodically this only needs to happen once a month or less depending on your juice.
1.Perform the same procedure as above
2.Take the nextel out of the coil
3.Pulse your coils red and blow on it to get the ash off or scrub it with something. Rinse your atty off with water and pat dry.
4.torch your nextel off the atty completely until it glows white and looks clean again
5.After it has cooled down wet the nextel with juice and twist it back into the coils and its basically back to day 1

or

you can just dry burn it, hold your atty off the battery sideways and rinse it with a little water, pulse until the water is gone, then reapply juice

or

you can dry burn it and vape through 12-15 puffs of Ashy Larry and have it rocking again.

The initial taste of 116 is better than cotton when done this way in a dripper. The overall taste is greater than or equal to cotton, and it maintains this level for waaaaaay longer than cotton. It is overall less maintainance than cotton in a heat intensive utility. The cost is much greater but the ceramic wicks can be used over and over again so it isn't as expensive as it would seem long term.

In a genny I haven't tried it but I doubt it would be very good compared with mesh or AO.

In a Kayfun style atty I would take hemp fiber or rolled cotton AO hybrid>hemp fiber>cotton>116>132>ekowool>silica

in a taifun style/fogger atty I would take 116>cotton

in a PTII style I would take 132 with a coil wrapped around a 14Ga syringe needle(if I remember correctly) and the 132 twisted through, a flavor wick of 132, and a little hemp fiber diaper on the outside after assembled if leaking becomes a problem.

So basically the only applications I can see cotton being better is in a kayfun style atty or in a genny if done right.

Thanks your remarks Meta. I generally agree with your conclusions. I've been doing a six month informal scientific inquiry of consumer rebuilding methods and wicking products. So far over 350 builds. Nextel resides as the de facto standard to beat at this point with these tests displacing cotton early on. It has a deficiency in that it falls notably behind in its cross-section saturation because of the very properties that makes it flow as exceedingly well as it does. Consequently it excels no doubt in some drippers but others where there is no well such as the Immo (I test 4) it does not fare as well requiring more dripping. It's flow rate is unequaled. So I'm very optimistic about use in a Genny.

I am flavor sensitive. A blessing and curse. So I can distinguish between silica, Ekowool and Nextel in that all three have a distinct flavor signature. Those reporting an inferiority of flavor have not had sufficient long term experience with the [Nextel] wick I believe. Many conditions can affect the flavor result of all synthetic media including the method of preparation. When properly prepared Nextel is the most flavor neutral of all the media from all sources I have tested. It does have a break-in time (brief, tip. <half mil) and certainly after torching/pulsing as any synthetic does. However, no other wick media has the potential for single-coil long term usage of Nextel.

Meta I found that stubborn surface ash, usually bars at either side of the coil (if a micro) as surface debris. This can be usually eliminated by a narrow and brief small torch burn right on a clearo without hazarding any nearby silicone. It doesn't substantially heat the head assembly. Then the wick coil can be restored to practically match any flavor or juice channel wicks in their pristine white color. It's not perfect as you have pigment particles interspersed in the weave due to wicking and these can't be totally removed. Especially if they are allowed to accumulate. As time goes by this is what disrupts flow and mutes the flavor requiring another 3/8" or so of more wick in most clearo's. I recommend a procedure in my blog to ...... this which absolutely works. And all techniques I've described elsewhere can have a typical tank running out two weeks or longer. After repeated washes and burns though this interval is shortened.

Pic's of a typical contact (micro) coil from these tests in a long burn with wick heated, illuminated; and, Nextel install with attendant juice channel wicks to help mitigate flange bypass of juice…


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This product is about one of the best kept open secrets there is meta. And really impressive combined with the use of an actually functional microcoil for its efficiently uniform operation. When that happens Nextel is IDEAL…for durability and you will experience virtually no ash in liquid or discoloration. However, I find no substitute for cotton overall for its capacity to convey the broadest possible flavor. Nextel sometimes may equal it or come close but its not a substitute. Unfortunately for me as a user I can always taste cotton as a competing flavor. It never hides in the background and so is imposing. I'm sure there are many like myself which makes Nextel a very interesting alternative worth trying.

Thanks again for taking the time to ad your observations. All confirmation is helpful and exceptions worth exploring.

Good luck all. Enjoy.

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However, I find no substitute for cotton overall for its capacity to convey the broadest possible flavor. Nextel sometimes may equal it or come close but its not a substitute.

This is what I've found too. When testing wicks, my highest priority is flavor since tasting multiple types of juices is the biggest part of my vape hobby. For me, Nextel, German silica, and sterile rolled cotton all become flavor neutral while using them, I adjust to whatever flavor they give quick enough for it to disappear. For some reason, regular twisted silica I always taste, so I dropped that as an option early. The rest are all top-notch wicking materials for me.

Out of the rope wicks, the German silica offers the widest spectrum of flavor notes and portrays them well. Cotton I would rate a little better, but not with every juice. Eko and Nextal do better than those with certain juices, but that's rarer for me. Keep in mind this is all personal observation and preference, others will find different wick preferences for different juices than I do.

I do have all four of those types on different drippers, but I use cotton the most often. I prefer it because it's so easy to remove, dry burn, and replace with a fresh wick, it offers the broadest flavor spectrum (especially with extracted tobaccos), and it's a very saturated flavor since cotton holds much more liquid. The one area the ropes seem to do better is creamy notes, though the difference is pretty small. For some reason Nextel is even worse with creamy notes, getting trumped by German silica and Ekowool.
 

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Just FYI but this stuff is supposed to be treated at between 1200 and 1850 degrees for TWELVE (12) hours straight, in a kiln. Heating it with a propane torch for a minute is NOT going to do the same thing, even with the torch being somewhat hotter. If you want to risk it, go ahead, but it isn't just about the taste, it's about some pretty nasty stuff thats in the makeup of the material. You need to cook it for that long because the toxic/nasty stuff is very heat resistant etc, so it isn't just a matter of burning it off quickly, like it would be with a nylon centre thread on stainless steel rope... it's a matter of breaking down a component of the wick itself and burning that off. It takes a lot of heat for a long time to burn this stuff off.... i really wouldn't be risking it if i were you, but hey, i'm not you, so go ahead

but i just did want to make this post because you're post implies that torching this stuff is an acceptable alternative to a kiln treatment for 12 hours - it isn't - it isn't even close. You're going to seriously be risking your health and safety if you try this method.

I have ten feet of this stuff coming to me early next week and it's going to be tough to not use it, but i won't be putting it anywhere near my PV or my atomizers until i can find someone who will treat it in a kiln for me. And this is coming from someone who wouldn't usually be too worried about what goes into the ol' body....just not worth it with this stuff though

Good point about how this has to be massively treated before safely using. And RBASupplies doesn't boil it for you, although they recommend you boil it yourself for an hour. What? $8.00/ft and not ready to use? Probably the reason I have no use for this stuff. Just the treating that seems to be needed adds additional cost to an already expensive material (of course I would have to pay the price if I bought it because I don't have a way to properly treat it myself). I find it hard to believe that $8.00/ft will add that much pleasure to my vaping experience. Of course I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. But that's my opinion. YMMV.
 

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I switched from cotton to XC-116 and would not go back. However I just bought an eBaron Dripper Pro and I'm not sure the XC-116 will fit in it in a rebuild - remains to be seen (have only had it a couple days and still using the original coil). I would love to get my hands on some XC-132.

Here's my method in a dripper. I cut about 1.75"-2" of the Nextel. Make a 1/8" coil, thread it through about a third of the way, then tuck the short end under the coil. The other end goes up over the posts to the other side of the well.

It doesn't need to be cleaned often even though I'm a chain-vaper at home all day. I had to change cotton at LEAST once a day. When I want to clean the dripper, I pull the short end back out from under the coil and pull the long end until only a little bit of the other end sticks out of the coil. Torch the long side clean (man, this stuff cleans up PERFECTLY), then dry burn the coil with the wick still in it, pull it back through the coil end so the remaining dirty part is now the tip of the long end, and torch that clean. Then just put everything back in place and it's like having a new wick. I never get dry burnt hits off it like I did with cotton and it doesn't irritate my lungs like the cotton did if it went too long without being swapped out.

I initially bought 2' of it, then went back and ordered another 3' when I realized how great it was. Not sure how it fares in tanks, but in drippers it's amazing.
 
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