FDA Post-hearing reactions?

[zoiDman]

Not sure what schedule 5 is? However I guess the question is whether public health is more important than having to make a law. Is caffeine or alcohol under that? I can't recall nicotine being an illegal substance

Public Health is Important.

It just Fails Lower on the List as things like...

Campaign Contributions
Corporate Profits
Public Sentiment
etc.

 

[Sirius]

Not sure what schedule 5 is? However I guess the question is whether public health is more important than having to make a law. Is caffeine or alcohol under that? I can't recall nicotine being an illegal substance

Drugs like codeine that have a low potential for abuse. Current drug laws were put on the books because of the drug abuse problem in the US. IMO nicotine couldn't be put on the schedule 5 list because there is no potential for abuse.

 

[Traver]

Oh well, at least I get credit for something. Forgot that nicotine is a legal substance.

I like your Post Traver not because I like the Concept. Your Concept is Wrong.

But because it is a Distinct Possibility the FDA will Control Nicotine with a Very Tight Fist. And what I would do if I Really Wanted to Control Nicotine / e-liquids.

And the FDA Really Wants to Control Nicotine / e-liquids.

 

[Sirius]

IF the FDA makes nicotine a controlled substance and illegal to sell except to companies registered with the FDA how will you get it? They have the power and and there is good chance they will ban it's sale for everyone else..

No you didn't Traver -- You said IF .. I was pointing out that they are not the one's that can do that. Congress writes the laws as I said before. Some are lost on that it seems. Was just pointing that out for you on your OP.

 

[zoiDman]

... IMO nicotine couldn't be put on the schedule 5 list because there is no potential for abuse.

Tell that to My CC Company.

LOL

 

[DaveP]

DaveP, I think you should be a bit careful about making blanket statements like nicotine is not desirable intake unless you are transitioning from cancer sticks.

There is evidence that for some people with mental disorders nicotine helps maintain their mental stability. There are many people on this forum who will swear that they need nicotine to function normally.

It may also be that at least a large minority of the smokers that still smoking can't quit because they don't function well without the nicotine.

I should have said socially desirable. Sure, there are medical uses for nicotine. Given the choice between smoking, vaping, and abstaining, the latter is the smart choice. So is lower fat and sugar consumption, but we tend to ignore the down sides and enjoy what's comforting. Vaping is the smart way to quit tobacco. What we do after that is a personal choice.

Vaping CAN be a route to total cessation once the freebase chemicals that tobacco inserted into our systems are gone. It's a marginally detrimental choice that should be allowed based on the studies we have seen so far. No one claims complete safety for vaping. It's so much better than smoking that most of us consider it a life choice that doesn't need to be terminated for health reasons.

 

[Bob Chill]

I should have said socially desirable. Sure, there are medical uses for nicotine. Given the choice between smoking, vaping, and abstaining, the latter is the smart choice. So is lower fat and sugar consumption, but we tend to ignore the down sides and enjoy what's comforting. Vaping is the smart way to quit tobacco. What we do after that is a personal choice.

Vaping CAN be a route to total cessation once the freebase chemicals that tobacco inserted into our systems are gone. It's a marginally detrimental choice that should be allowed based on the studies we have seen so far. No one claims complete safety for vaping. It's so much better than smoking that most of us consider it a life choice that doesn't need to be terminated for health reasons.

Vaping has many aspects. Depending on who you are, it can be a hobby or a lifestyle or a tool to quit all together. For me, right now it's a lifestyle. And I like it. I may quit all together but I don't even really think about it right now. I have enough good gear to keep me satisfied day in and day out. I don't really get into the hobby part but I can totally understand why people are in deep with tinkering and buying hardware.

I'm a firm believer in people being hardwired to smoke. I'm certain my wife and I are 2 of them. I loved smoking early on but the health and stink part of the lifestyle grows really old and ugly. But that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy smoking anyway. It just kept piling up layers of guilt over time.

Many of us write letters and add comments about it helped us quit smoking. But for many it's just a trade in for lifestyle choices. I would say the majority (like me) feel blessed to find a way to have our cake and eat it too. I've always had slight attention problems and smoking without question eases some of that. My attention problems were with me at birth. Not ADD or anything. Just focus problems at times. My job is very tedious with attention to detail. Smoking and now vaping helps keep me on track. There is no doubt in my mind nicotine assists me personal mental function.

I will fight tooth and nail to fight for my freedom to choose this lifestyle. I have 4 children. I'm sure one or more has the same hardwiring for smoking. One in particular. I feel blessed that a new choice is on the market other than smoking. I don't want any one of my kids to start vaping but if one does I honestly will be more thankful than concerned. With all the things going on in the world out there, one of my kids choosing to vape is very low on my list of things to be concerned about.

 

[Traver]

No you didn't Traver -- You said IF .. I was pointing out that they are not the one's that can do that. Congress writes the laws as I said before. Some are lost on that it seems. Was just pointing that out for you on your OP.

Sirus, basically I agree with you that it takes an act of congress to change the law. I think anyone reading that statement would think that I was saying that the FDA has the power to put nicotine on the controlled substance list and make law. The statement was wrong.

Sometimes I make mistakes and need people like you to catch them. I see it as good thing.

 

[zoiDman]

Sirus, basically I agree with you that it takes an act of congress to change the law. I think anyone reading that statement would think that I was saying that the FDA has the power to put nicotine on the controlled substance list and make law. The statement was wrong.

Sometimes I make mistakes and need people like you to catch them. I see it as good thing.

Absolutely.

We're All here to Learn. And if we Knew Everything, why would we be Here?

 

[zoiDman]

This Is Critical: Please Pass it Along NOW

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ll-call-campaign-california.html#post13211582

 

[DaveP]

I looked at the site and followed several links. Am I correct in thinking that AB 1500 prohibits sales TO California generated through the internet or does it stop vendors IN California from selling ecigs and supplies to to other states (and in state) over the internet?

The other bill restricts ecig use in public places. That's pretty much a nationwide undertaking. Most locales are starting to include use of ecigs along with tobacco cigarettes in public unless you go outside and away from an entrance.

It's ironic to me that squashing ecig use just encourages tobacco cigarette use among those who are addicted. It all reeks of big tobacco protecting their market. Since most of ecig sales are through the internet (and BT can't do that anymore) they want to level the playing field with a large tilt in their favor. Will we have to go to the local convenience store in the future and buy a cig-a-like with disposable cartridges?

If this thinking spreads across the nation and you don't have a B&M vendor in your town you will have to drive to obtain ecig supplies one day. Doesn't that contribute to global warming through increased use of fossil fuels? As California goes, so goes the nation.

 

[Bobbilly]

They did say that BT was pulling out the old play book. Is it beyond reason that they would also pull out the ol' arms length groups that said smoking wasn't so bad and now have then saying e cigs are bad. How many politician have been lobbied to say they are bad. ? Maybe