FDA Post-hearing reactions?

[Sirius]

The most patently absurd thing about this whole three-ring FDA circus is that they're seeking to impose regulations on e-cigs (specifically, nationwide age restrictions and mandatory listing of ingredients) that don't exist, never have existed, and likely never will exist for tobacco cigarettes. In what universe does it make sense that a product which actively kills people by the hundreds of thousands doesn't have to list its ingredients, but an alternative product that's never harmed anyone does? You literally couldn't make this crap up if you tried.

It doesn't make sense Nate -- Big money is behind this FDA regulation thing for e-cigs. You know it, I know it, hell by now everyone should know it.

 

[Nate760]

It doesn't make sense Nate -- Big money is behind this FDA regulation thing for e-cigs. You know it, I know it, hell by now everyone should know it.

Given the FDA's recent track record (not just on smoking/tobacco policy, but in general), the really amazing thing is that anyone still believes this is a benevolent, well-intentioned agency genuinely committed to promoting public health.

 

[salemgold]

Given the FDA's recent track record (not just on smoking/tobacco policy, but in general), the really amazing thing is that anyone still believes this is a benevolent, well-intentioned agency genuinely committed to promoting public health.

I agree. They are out there. I see many of them right here at ECF

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

I'm not supporting member because the email with which I signed up years ago isn't the same as my PP email, and I'm not gonna mess with the latter because last time I did things got massively screwed up (for complicated reasons). Wld be delighted to use debit or send a check but that wasn't in the works then - is it now?

Do what I did, add an alternative e-mail to your PP account, I've got 4 on mine for different reasons. Just keep the one you normally use as primary.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

I agree. They are out there. I see many of them right here at ECF

Aside from the odd FDAophile quasi-troll, some of these folks are just ignorant as a pile of rocks. I think I'm going to the feedback forum and suggest that ECF send out an e-mail. I think they do that every once in a while, and I can think of few better reasons to e-mail American users than the comments and the proposed rule.

 

[aikanae1]

Given the FDA's recent track record (not just on smoking/tobacco policy, but in general), the really amazing thing is that anyone still believes this is a benevolent, well-intentioned agency genuinely committed to promoting public health.

and I used to think doctors were smart too.

 

[aikanae1]

Dimitri has been doing some incrediable reporting. I didn't go through the entire thread, but this show talks about more of his reactions, specifically about how he's planning to organize his state (TN). It's also interesting in that Conley joins him towards the end with his reaction. (This isn't the round table version) They want to get a lobbyist for every state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsz3BWalavg

 

[Stosh]

Aside from the odd FDAophile quasi-troll, some of these folks are just ignorant as a pile of rocks. I think I'm going to the feedback forum and suggest that ECF send out an e-mail. I think they do that every once in a while, and I can think of few better reasons to e-mail American users than the comments and the proposed rule.

It may not be ignorance as much as for many long time vapers, the FDA scare is the "boy who cried wolf", having survived the many past "scares and imminent regulations". Many have nic in the freezer from some years old FDA scares, I know I do.

Then you have the new, under a year vapers, and most don't understand how or why the FDA is trying to regulate e-cigs, or the history of what the FDA has tried in the past.

It's the perfect storm, and those who disbelieve the harm the FDA can impose on the industry seem to be in the majority...

 

[Fitzie]

I don't know if it's ignorance or youth (inexperience). I'm a new vaper, but I've already started to stockpile nicotine. Next on my list is to learn how to make coils. Then again, I'm also one of those grey-haired noobs

Maybe they don't cover Prohibition in schools anymore?

 

[Stosh]

I don't know if it's ignorance or youth (inexperience). I'm a new vaper, but I've already started to stockpile nicotine. Next on my list is to learn how to make coils. Then again, I'm also one of those grey-haired noobs

Maybe they don't cover Prohibition in schools anymore?

Brewing and distilling alcohol is child's play compared to nicotine. For nic you need a chemistry lab, some rather toxic chemicals, and a very good idea of what you're doing. Then if you do get results, it's extremely dangerous to handle, a hazmat suit would be recommended.

The posts I see referencing a 'black market' gives me a chuckle, you're not going to develop a supply without considerable infrastructure to produce the nicotine.

 

[Fitzie]

Brewing and distilling alcohol is child's play compared to nicotine. For nic you need a chemistry lab, some rather toxic chemicals, and a very good idea of what you're doing. Then if you do get results, it's extremely dangerous to handle, a hazmat suit would be recommended.

The posts I see referencing a 'black market' gives me a chuckle, you're not going to develop a supply without considerable infrastructure to produce the nicotine.

Ain't that the truth? Just buying 100 mg nicotine gives me the willies (I did spend quite awhile reading about the dangers of nic and DIY here on the forum), but I've got a small freezer and live in an apartment so it seems the best choice given my limited storage options.

 

[aikanae1]

Another factor is that I think people have a tendency to attempt a positive / optimistic spin onto what feels like it's outside of their control and politics does that for many people. At least the deniers are talking about it and most are making attempts to understand. The ones I worry about are probably the majority which are largely apathetic and it's not that they don't care, it's more that they don't think it'll matter. That's a much higher bar to reach.

This is just the beginning. (change xx's to tt's) This sent chills down my spine;
hxxp://www.rwjf.org/en/blogs/new-public-health/2014/05/big_city_health_coal.html

Beyond the obvious - tell me there wasn't taxpayer funds involved in this and why it's ok to use taxes for gov't to lobby itself? That right there needs to be put to an immediate end. I think that's something most can get behind also. This is probably not the event to make that claim with, but I'm sure there has been or will be one. I think in L.A. some groups lobbying against vaping didn't even bother covering their tracks that their funding came from public grants. That's not an issue of free speech. That's political activity and misuse of funds.

One thing that came out in the Dimitri show I linked earlier is that the newswire service used for press releases have barred positive ecig stories. I don't have anymore information than that, however it does explain why it's been so difficult to get positive headlines from most of the valid studies. I also thought I heard CASAA say they had subscribed - so I don't know other than I assumed there would have been more results by now... so IDK?

 

[bigdancehawk]

Amen to that!

OK, I'm a stingy MF, but I just contributed to both ECF and CASAA. (Could they have chosen a more awkward acronym?)

 

[aikanae1]

Ain't that the truth? Just buying 100 mg nicotine gives me the willies (I did spend quite awhile reading about the dangers of nic and DIY here on the forum), but I've got a small freezer and live in an apartment so it seems the best choice given my limited storage options.

It makes more sense to me that vaping should be targeting more grey hairs than kids.

 

[bigdancehawk]

This is just the beginning. (change xx's to tt's) This sent chills down my spine;
hxxp://www.rwjf.org/en/blogs/new-public-health/2014/05/big_city_health_coal.html

It sent chills down my spine too when I ended up downloading a bunch of garbage characters in a failed attempt to access this site. This noobie asks: is there a problem posting links here?

 

[sonicdsl]

It may not be ignorance as much as for many long time vapers, the FDA scare is the "boy who cried wolf", having survived the many past "scares and imminent regulations". Many have nic in the freezer from some years old FDA scares, I know I do.

Then you have the new, under a year vapers, and most don't understand how or why the FDA is trying to regulate e-cigs, or the history of what the FDA has tried in the past.

It's the perfect storm, and those who disbelieve the harm the FDA can impose on the industry seem to be in the majority...

Almost seems like it was planned that way by someone...

QUOTE=aikanae1;13187406

This is just the beginning. (change xx's to tt's) This sent chills down my spine;
hxxp://www.rwjf.org/en/blogs/new-public-health/2014/05/big_city_health_coal.html

It sent chills down my spine too when I ended up downloading a bunch of garbage characters in a failed attempt to access this site. This noobie asks: is there a problem posting links here?

This should explain why we break links to rubbish (otherwise, posting links is fine):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

 

[DaveP]

I was unable to find a schedule for further review of electronic cigarettes in Congress. Wasn't the 5-15 hearing some sort of starting point for continued debate in the Senate? Will we see further action that sets some sort of position based on the findings? Anyone have links to the process and to future scheduled sessions?

I did hear that there would be a 10 day open comment period. To what does that lead and is there any sort of calendar that pinpoints the next hearing?

 

[Gato del Jugo]

Brewing and distilling alcohol is child's play compared to nicotine. For nic you need a chemistry lab, some rather toxic chemicals, and a very good idea of what you're doing. Then if you do get results, it's extremely dangerous to handle, a hazmat suit would be recommended.

The posts I see referencing a 'black market' gives me a chuckle, you're not going to develop a supply without considerable infrastructure to produce the nicotine.

From what I understand, there are multiple methods for extraction, some more complex than others..

I'm sure the typical results of each are varied, too..


But there are some relatively easier ones that many people could DIY...

 

[Gato del Jugo]

One thing that came out in the Dimitri show I linked earlier is that the newswire service used for press releases have barred positive ecig stories. I don't have anymore information than that, however it does explain why it's been so difficult to get positive headlines from most of the valid studies. I also thought I heard CASAA say they had subscribed - so I don't know other than I assumed there would have been more results by now... so IDK?

That raised my eyebrows when listening to it, as well..

Disturbing..


I'd like to hear more about that...

 

[Bob Chill]

Got a canned response from my senator. At least she acknowledged that a number of Marylanders have voiced concerns.

Dear Mr. Chill:

Thank you for contacting me to express your concern about the Food and Drug Administration's regulation of electronic cigarettes. I appreciate you writing to me about this issue.

I have heard from a number of Marylanders about this issue. I have contacted the Food and Drug Administration to inform them of your views and have asked that they address this as soon as possible. You may also be interested in voicing these concerns directly to the FDA:

Food and Drug Administration
10903 New Hampshire Avenue
Silver Spring, MD 20993

Again, thank you for writing to me to share your concerns. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of any assistance to you in the future.

Sincerely,
Barbara A. Mikulski
United States Senator