Post-PACT

[sunset]

Kookie and All, Well, this is interesting. I've been following a lot going on in NY state, except the last 2 days obviously.

1st a few months ago the Senecas did try to fight the Pact Act....here I thought they gave that up. And in the last few weeks it was the fight with NY Governor and the new tax increase that goes into effect tomorrow.

So this is a surprise they're back fighting the Pact Act again.

Another article with a bit more info: PACT Act stopped temporarily | Indian Country Today | Northeast

Here's hoping they win and carry more snus and snuff. - my 2 cents.

 

[Kookie]

1st a few months ago the Senecas did try to fight the Pact Act....here I thought they gave that up. And in the last few weeks it was the fight with NY Governor and the new tax increase that goes into effect tomorrow.

So this is a surprise they're back fighting the Pact Act again.

Last time they put up a fight they closed down Hwy I-86 (then route 17) with burning tires. It goes right through tribal territory in Salamanca. Wonder what they might be up to this time.

http://buffalopost.net/?tag=tribal-cigarette-sales


http://www.topix.com/forum/city/salamanca-ny/TAKHMUC5H47QE9F5L

I support them fully. I think this country owes them that.

I am reluctant to say this but: Last time I was there (Quite a while ago), on the reservation, I told them my story which was I wanted to hijack a cigarette truck and drive it into the river and dress as Native Americans doing it. They looked at me with a blank stare. And I said, well, maybe this time not dresses as Native Americans. And they laughed. Phewww! LOL.

 

[Stubby]

This is the latest news on the banned states... as in Iowa, Mass and SD. This comes from Northerner via snuson

Help for those in banned states.

UPDATE ON IOWA, MASSACHUSSETS and SOUTH DAKOTA:

First let me say this, the process of getting us ready for PACT has shown me one thing; that the gov't wasn't ready to implement this new law. Most of the states that I spoke to didn't even know what PACT was, a few did, and a couple just didn't care, lol. States are set up to have wholesalers, and then retailers. They don't really have a category for webshop that acts as both, so many of these states simply didn't know what to do with us. Some said, "no sweat, just pay the taxes and we're cool", and some said, "hell no, you're not allowed to sell your wares here". Iowa, Mass. and South Dakota were part of that last group, yes...I said were.

Okay, South Dakota is out. We will not be able to sell Swedish snus to anyone in South Dakota via our website. So, if you live in South Dakota and want Swedish snus, please contact me asap and I'll do everything I can to set up a wholesale account with a local retailer so that you can buy from them.

Iowa-they don't really have a law prohibiting us from selling, but they don't know how to deal with us. I have a meeting on Monday with them to iron this one out. After a call from our attorney they seem a bit more "willing" to work it out. I will update this thread accordingly once I know something. So until we get this squared away, we won't be able to sell to Iowa residents, but it won't be too long.

Massachusetts-They flat out said no to us intitially, citing "no brick and mortar, then no selling via the internet". After the attorney spoke to them, we find out that it's not so much that we don't have a brick and mortar, but that they didn't know what to do with us. After speaking with our attorney they are willing to let us sell via the internet, but we have a few more hoops to jump through with them to get licensed. Once we get our distribution license, we will again be selling to Mass. For now, we cannot, but be patient as it shouldn't be too long. Thanks everyone.

 

[sunset]

Thanks, Stubby. Now that is interesting. Northerner really is trying - good thing they have their Lawyer. It's all twisting and turning isn't it...I know this has to make some people feel better.

 

[Stubby]

And then there is the lawsuits. This is the latest

Seneca group joins PACT Act suit : Southern Tier : The Buffalo News

Looks like the whole Seneca nation is joining in the lawsuit to get the PACT act declared unconstitutional.

Edit: and they won a reprieve

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/07/02/1102011/reprieve-extended-to-more-seneca.html

 

[hittman]

perhaps there is some glimmer of hope.

 

[four2109]

So maybe USPS won't touch this until it's settled... We can only hope.

 

[The Wiz]

And then there is the lawsuits. This is the latest

Seneca group joins PACT Act suit : Southern Tier : The Buffalo News

Looks like the whole Seneca nation is joining in the lawsuit to get the PACT act declared unconstitutional.

Edit: and they won a reprieve

Seneca cigarette sellers get reprieve from law : Latest Local News : The Buffalo News

Thanks for posting Stubby!! I never really thought much of anyone declaring the bill/act unconstitutional...but it basicly is! I wonder if said states where Swedish snus is banned could seek some form of legal counceling/representation to help over turn it(guess that would cost a few bucks!).The Seneca nation could sure use some extra help.

The Wiz!

 

[W Axl Rose]

Well maybe there is hope for my state, if not, there's Hitt!

 

[hittman]

You can count on me Axl. If you can't get what you need, I'll get it to you. I will keep my fingers crossed for a judgement in our favor. Damn pact crap anyway.

 

[deeanne59]

Dang it! I live in Iowa!!!!!!

Hey Axl! Have you tried ordering through Buysnus? Getsnus is now owned by Northerner, and they have strange shipping rules. Buysnus is in Sweden, and my husband and I have had no problems getting what we want. We are not in a ban state, but Buysnus doesn't seem to have a problem getting them through.

 

[Stubby]

Judge extends reprieve on seneca nation tobacco sales until July 30th. Now if they could just start selling snus and nasal snuff

WBFO: Federal judge extends reprieve for Seneca tobacco retailers (2010-07-08)

And a big hello to Deeanne59. Long time no see. I heard there was a bit of trouble over at snuson..... but we won't get into that.

There are a few changes here that you have to be aware of. Please follow all the rules and there will be no trouble. The smokeless section is now officially... unofficially known as The Other side of the Tracks...... though some lovingly call it The Dark Side.....what ever one works for you.

We also occasionally get an infestation of happy bunnies. These are defined as PV enthusiast who think that the e-cig is the answer for all and if it's not working for you.... perhaps you just need a wompen stompen 5-V of more PV. That would do it for sure.... if not ya might need some 75 mg liquid to get ya straight.... or whatever.

Your free to shoot happy bunnies on sight.... but normally they just go away on their own. Choice is yours.

If you follow all the above rules there should be no problems.

Happy hunting

 

[AllCoExPat]

We also occasionally get an infestation of happy bunnies. These are defined as PV enthusiast who think that the e-cig is the answer for all and if it's not working for you.... perhaps you just need a wompen stompen 5-V of more PV. That would do it for sure.... if not ya might need some 75 mg liquid to get ya straight.... or whatever.

Your free to shoot happy bunnies on sight.... but normally they just go away on their own. Choice is yours.

If you follow all the above rules there should be no problems.

Happy hunting

Hehehe.

 

[hittman]

Well put Stubby. I saw a post not too long ago where someone was talking about some custom made pass thru for extra high voltage vaping and about how the vapor had to be cool or something. I just laughed. Before finding snus, I tried 36mg liquid in my pv with two 3.7v batteries and it still didn't scratch the itch. It did make me feel a little ill though.

 

[TropicalBob]

Wonderful, Stubby. Right on.

 

[Katya]

Right on, Stubby!

Can we shoot them anywhere? Or just on this side of the tracks?

I just saw a recommendation for a newbie suffering from depression and anxiety attacks after switching to vaping: 48 mg e-liquid on a 7.4 v mod to get rid of tobacco cravings.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't be craving anything after that. Maybe an ambulance...

 

[Stubby]

Right on, Stubby!

Can we shoot them anywhere? Or just on this side of the tracks?

I just saw a recommendation for a newbie suffering from depression and anxiety attacks after switching to vaping: 48 mg e-liquid on a 7.4 v mod to get rid of tobacco cravings.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't be craving anything after that. Maybe an ambulance...

I made a short journey into that section of the forum on a quest to talk reason with the bunnies, though I did pack my hunting gear just in case. Unfortunately..... I got totally lost and confused and it took me a long time to get back home. I should know better. Point out the thread to me and I may try again.

If the bunnies are giving obvious bad advice there are no boundaries on hunting. Well.... that's the way I see it.

 

[hittman]

Stubby, you don't know how glad I am that you and the others found my thread when I was coming unglued from vaping only and put out a call for help. That was a dark time for me that almost certainly would have led me back to smoking full time. If you need someone to be a look out while you shoot the bunnies then just say the word.

 

[AllCoExPat]

I do my best to poach wherever I happen to see a bunny in need. Sometimes you get the bunny, sometimes it gets you... In a very Monty Python way. I know if it hadn't been for some folks here wandering out into the forums I'd be back on smes full time by now.

 

[W Axl Rose]

Ya I was glad to find you guys when I became a homicidal bunny!!!