RDA Praxis Derringer V1.2 Problems

[xdarktime]

Hey,

So, I bought into the hype and purchased a Derringer 1.2 from Viper-Vape. The tolerance of the orings and 510 drip tip slot are soooo loose. I haven't even tried to use it. Have any of you had similar issues with your Derringer V1.2/solutions? I'm pretty ...... at the customer service over at Viper-Vapes. I sent them an email explaining the issue and that I hadn't even used the device and they pretty much told me to contact praxis and let them know what they said. I get that the store didn't make the rda, but still, it's unused and unuseable and I received the unit from them. Shouldn't they take responsibility for this $89.00 issue??

Update: Received an email from praxis saying they're gonna send out new, custom o rings. That's cool, but how does this fix the fact that none of standard drip tips fit snug??

 

[snow blind]

Hey,

So, I bought into the hype and purchased a Derringer 1.2 from Viper-Vape. The tolerance of the orings and 510 drip tip slot are soooo loose. I haven't even tried to use it. Have any of you had similar issues with your Derringer V1.2/solutions? I'm pretty ...... at the customer service over at Viper-Vapes. I sent them an email explaining the issue and that I hadn't even used the device and they pretty much told me to contact Praxis and let them know what they said. I get that the store didn't make the RDA, but still, it's unused and unuseable and I received the unit from them. Shouldn't they take responsibility for this $89.00 issue??

Update: Received an email from Praxis saying they're gonna send out new, custom o rings. That's cool, but how does this fix the fact that none of standard drip tips fit snug??

Both Praxis and Cartel have been having some major QC issues lately... i wont be purchasing from either any time soon. I have two Derringers, one clone, one V1... but i'll wait for a full V2.

Praxis should really take your possibly defective unit back for inspection and give you a entirely new unit.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

A unit isn't defective because it has loose o-rings. Personally I don't find them to be a big issue, though I fully agree it's a flaw and unacceptable for a genuine atty. The next run, being a full run, will hopefully not have any issues because it's a great atty. I run virtually nothing else personally.

 

[Jvalles95]

put dental floss under the o-rings to beef them out a bit, works like a charm.

 

[Libbydude]

If I had to fiddle .... around with a $3 piece of steel that I paid $80 for I would be livid. Hands on for me now. I learned to check the fitting after making my first rda purchase. Nothing worse than a sloppy top cap or loose drip tip. If floss is the fix it should have been installed at the factory.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

A million things are worse than a "sloppy" top cap or "loose" drip tip. Nothing about my Derringer driptip is loose either. Not sure what that's all about.

 

[Libbydude]

I stand corrected. Lol.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I stand corrected. Lol.

lol sorry, exaggerations like that just irk me a bit and that's my bad bro. Your chill response to my comment shows what a cool cat you are. Hope no offense was taken

 

[Libbydude]

I spend the better part of my work day reacting calmly to people I've upset one way or another. Forums are an awesome place for people with similar interests to agree and politely disagree openly.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Ya but though the intent wasn't impolite, the words on screen were. So I edited it to erase the fluff and again I apologize. We're cool

I just love this atty, and acknowledge that the top cap's a little loose but maybe since I don't drip (I squonk) it's just not an issue, not sure. Every driptip I've used fits perfect but I use driptips designed for this atty (specifically, brad's cap). Friction fit perfect. But standard 510s worked fine too. I guess not everybody's had the same luck, and that sucks. The "V1.2" was rushed, which was wrong on the part of Praxis. Don't meet demand by rushing something and ending up with either QC issues or something inferior altogether to the V1. At any rate they are aware of it, sending better o-rings for free to people, and the issue should be fixed next run.

There's a ton of killer attys out there though. This one just happens to me my bomb diggity

 

[Libbydude]

There's really no excuse for a premium mod maker to fall short on quality for the sake of production. The results of testing and qc should only leave room for complaints of a subjective nature. That sort of culture can lower the brand value and demand for the next offering.

 

[wonkeypickle]

sorry, but at this point in the game, and for this price point, there should be no flaws.


too many good atties out there with similar features that have amazing tolerances for every aspect of the device.


why else buy an authentic? you can argue the morals all day yes, but the reason most buy authentics is to not have to deal with exactly this type of thing.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

While you're all technically correct, a loose o-ring is just not a big deal, it's just not, and takes 2 seconds to remedy. It may be to you and that's fair, but you don't have to buy it dudes it's not even that loose. I just don't see any issue.

Wonkeypickle is a killer name, I love it

 

[Libbydude]

That's right! I did my research and bought the one without the flaws. I love my low profile flavor atty! Well, to be fair it does have one flaw. A really big one in my eyes. Even though it does not affect the function in any way I would not have bought it had I noticed.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

I have both the V1 and the V1.2 of this atty, and they most definitely changed the tolerances with the second run. It's much looser (both the cap and the afc ring) - apparently this was in response to feedback that the V1 was too tight (which wouldn't have been my vote).

I squonk bf modded verisons of them both, so I don't have need to take the cap off other than to rewick/rebuild. I do, however, pocket both every day and I didn't find the (relative) looseness of the second version to be an issue. I haven't even felt the need to do the floss mod - it's that little of a practical issue for my use.

In any event, Praxis is sending out replacement o-rings, so that gets some points in my book (after losing some for making an apparently hurried decision about the tolerance change - I think they "fixed" a problem that didn't exist).

Is it perfect? Hardly. Is it worth what they're asking for it? That's up to each of us. Vote with your wallet (or sell it on in the classies for what you paid for it).

 

[inswva]

I have both the V1 and the V1.2 of this atty, and they most definitely changed the tolerances with the second run. It's much looser (both the cap and the afc ring) - apparently this was in response to feedback that the V1 was too tight (which wouldn't have been my vote).

I squonk bf modded verisons of them both, so I don't have need to take the cap off other than to rewick/rebuild. I do, however, pocket both every day and I didn't find the (relative) looseness of the second version to be an issue. I haven't even felt the need to do the floss mod - it's that little of a practical issue for my use.

In any event, Praxis is sending out replacement o-rings, so that gets some points in my book (after losing some for making an apparently hurried decision about the tolerance change - I think they "fixed" a problem that didn't exist).

Is it perfect? Hardly. Is it worth what they're asking for it? That's up to each of us. Vote with your wallet (or sell it on in the classies for what you paid for it).

As another who owns BF versions of v1 and v1.2, I'll echo everything said here.

 

[xdarktime]

lol sorry, exaggerations like that just irk me a bit and that's my bad bro. Your chill response to my comment shows what a cool cat you are. Hope no offense was taken

Honestly though, I have an authentic, and no exaggeration, none of my 510 drip tips (and I have some nicer friction fit and ninja tips) fit snug. That's just bad QC for ya tho. Just cuz you received a better unit than I did doesn't mean that the consistency is there and that all the Derringers have a solid 510 tolerance.

 

[xdarktime]

But my main question/idea was whether the vendor should in any way be responsible for my issues, assuming that I would send the atty back. Jus' wondering what ya'll thought 'bout dat

 

[Sloth Tonight]

But my main question/idea was whether the vendor should in any way be responsible for my issues, assuming that I would send the atty back. Jus' wondering what ya'll thought 'bout dat

Contact them about the 510. May be worth sending back for sure, brother. Not for the o-rings, they're sending you new ones anyway. Have you thought about trying an actual Praxis designed driptip? (I know, it's lame they're additional to the atty - IMO they should come with it) BUT I personally love them. They look sweet on it. I use one of brads_caps from instagram, friction fit over the lip for the 510. This yields a wider bore draw and the smallest driptip you could possibly get. Only good if you like wide bore and short driptips though so not everyones cup of tea but worth looking into maybe?

I hear ya darktime, bad QC - sorry you got one that the driptips are giving you a problem.

edit - here is what a brads cap looks like on the Derringer:

 

[graffiti]

This is why I hesitate to buy anything authentic. It's also why I call the people doing these super limited releases "amateurs" and "hobbyists". If you're doing a limited piece and marking it up accordingly, your QC should be far better than China. In the case of the OP, it sounds like that's not the case at all with these.

Although, GUS did come through with a phenomenal atty (the estia) for me. It was $145 and has about ten times the amount of machining on it as the derringer. And they are consummate professionals. When something goes out of stock, they make more quickly. They might only have one or two in stock, but when they go out of stock, they're replaced very quickly.

EDIT to be less of a jerk.