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The presentation slides from the webcast E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

hosted by the University of California San Francisco's tobacco Related Disease Research Program (TRDRP) have been posted.

TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

Presenters:

Phil Gardiner - Introduction
Monique Williams
Prudence Talbot
Natalie Walker
Jean-François Etter

Recordings of the program are here: TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

In addition to the presenters listed above, the recordings include:

Stanton Glantz (Discustant)


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The presentation slides from the webcast E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

hosted by the University of California San Francisco's tobacco Related Disease Research Program (TRDRP) have been posted.

TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

Presenters:

Phil Gardiner - Introduction
Monique Williams
Prudence Talbot
Natalie Walker
Jean-François Etter

Recordings of the program are here: TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

In addition to the presenters listed above, the recordings include:

Stanton Glanz (Discustant)


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Did Glanz stand up to speak ?

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I was reading through Prude Talbot's sides and it occurred to me, they don't warn that eliquid is necessarily cytotoxic. All they really say are FDA approved flavorings are cytotoxic. Now they might try to argue the flavorings were meant to be ingested not inhaled, but many people inhale these flavorings. Think how many people take a big whiff off microwaved food as they peel back the plastic. These slides don't necessarily raise concerns about the safety of e cigarettes, but instead raise red flags about the safety of our food. It should also be noted that cytotoxic effects only we're significantly present when testing stem cells, not when testing involved adult cells.
 

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Monique Williams presentation

Slide #16 shows some 'CSI' type photos of 'heavy metal particulates' found in Eliquid, 4 photos showing the metal Tin and one mass spectrometer graph also of Tin....slide #18 shows an 'aerosol composition' list, with the FDA 'harmfull and potentialy harmfull' list highlighted in yellow, Tin is not in that 'doom list' - so what gives with the emphasis on Tin ?? -I suppose the casual observer might recoil at 'graphic pictures'.
 

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Dr. Etter "To redefine the place of nicotine in society and in the law, and make room for recreational nicotine products"
I completely agree.

What a marked difference between the "researchers". Four out of five hi light one case to showcase their stand, while dismissing the multitude of cases who do not hi light their stand. 1/100
One researcher hi lighted the multitude that the others dismissed. 100/1
(I made up the numbers, 1/100 & 100/1, for ease in graphics)
 

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I was reading through Prude Talbot's sides and it occurred to me, they don't warn that eliquid is necessarily cytotoxic. All they really say are FDA approved flavorings are cytotoxic. Now they might try to argue the flavorings were meant to be ingested not inhaled, but many people inhale these flavorings. Think how many people take a big whiff off microwaved food as they peel back the plastic. These slides don't necessarily raise concerns about the safety of e cigarettes, but instead raise red flags about the safety of our food. It should also be noted that cytotoxic effects only we're significantly present when testing stem cells, not when testing involved adult cells.

Don't you understand that the ANTZ are allergic to facts, there face turns red and they may have trouble breathing.

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The most interesting thing I took from this webinare was the shift to an acceptance that ecigs are inevitable. The antz have moved from banning to restricting. Even Stan had to accept the fact that ecigs are not going away.

Other than that it was the same old, same old. Pru sounded better than I thought she would but then went on about her data mining as if it was science. Stan is a natural entertainer and uses this to hide the fact that most of his science is junk.
J.F. Etter had both pasion and actual real science which he didn't exaggerate, yet he got short shrift from both the panel and audience.
The 'used to inhale dubious stuff' concern was dragged out but no one their seemed to have any knowledge of vaporizers or how they work. I got the impression this was brought up as either a scare tactic or because of media hype. Definitively not because of any hard evidence anyway.
 

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A thousand twitters to SG, all saying they quit, yet they all sent the same tweet. He sure knows how to belittle a monumental collective voice.

Did SG fight the patch and the gum, chantix, over dual use?
Did SG worry about chantix, gum,patch users falling off the wagon, and promote they should be banned until smokes were no longer available? If not, why not? It's the same principle. They fall back to smokes, & have to start all over again, but at least with the eCigs the step back is easier.
He wants smokers to not be tempted by Vapers, just in case they come up with something 100 years down the road. It's better they continue failing and continue to smoke.
He didn't disclose his big Pharma fundings.
He laughed about the FDA giving him 20 million bucks. Insinuating that the FDA is all aboard with the people they dole out money to. He's not worried.
He is trying the white hat approach, by finally admitting they are far safer than smoking, yet still singing the same old disgusting tune. If aliens came to earth with a new tobacco product that kills 400,000 per year, would we let them sell them? We don't think people should switch until we can prove they're safe, a hundred years from now, because it takes long term study to see long term effects.
He only showed compassion when he thought about his 18 month old grandson growing up and becoming an adult... And then he made a distract I've statement. But, I truly believe he realizes that even he would rather the next generation had the right to safer products or least informed decisions. Kids will be kids.
He also mentioned that it would be fantastic if everyone quit tobacco cigs in a snap of the a finger even if it meant switching over to the ecig, but that dual use is prohibiting it, until they find the right setup for them, so therefor it is unlikely to ever happen. (A little insight to the FDA regulations maybe?)
Overall, though, I feel he wants to ban tobacco business outright and hide vaping from the rest of the public, and ban it too of course.
He was mellowed, humbled perhaps, by Dr. Enter.
Go Doc Etter!!!!
 

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One more thang...
If dual use is so happening, like Glantz says, then why is cigarette sales plummeting and eCig sales skyrocketing more and more everyday.
If Glantz opened his calculator, & learned how to use it, perhaps he would see the folly of his thinking.
Glantz way means cigarette sales stay at 1 billion while ecig sales rise to 2 billion.
Reality shows cigarette sales plummet more and more each day to the point they're pulling out, growing Stevia, buying land in northern calif in prep for other legalized happenings, purchase established eCig companies, as they see lower and lower tobacco sales every day, while eCigs sales grow and grow and grow...
If tobacco sales are holding their own, I'll eat my tin foil hat.
 

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Glantz's stanz is off the wall, out of left field anyway. ECIigs are not a stop smoking cessation drug, they are a safer alternative to smoking, and even he succumbs to that. I don't quite understand his fight, unless it's to abolish Tobacco that certain groups use for Religious times, or that some people use in moderation for personal religious reasons, such as the power of Focus, Calm and a individual Rights.
 

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The presentation slides from the webcast E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

hosted by the University of California San Francisco's Tobacco Related Disease Research Program (TRDRP) have been posted.

TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

Presenters:

Phil Gardiner - Introduction
Monique Williams
Prudence Talbot
Natalie Walker
Jean-François Etter

Recordings of the program are here: TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

In addition to the presenters listed above, the recordings include:

Stanton Glantz (Discustant)


oopsie....typo
You must have meant--Stanton Glantz (disgusting)
 

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Thanks Elaine. It was the Q's & A's at the end of Glantz video that I had the most difficult time hearing. Maybe I can borrow the kids stereo speakers and go rewind that part.

I just finished Michelle(?)'s presentation. Isn't she referring to the (since debunked) French study?

I might sign in to read comments later, if comments aren't being censored like at Glantz and other anti blogs.
 

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I clicked on Contact Us (next to the search box in the TRDRP navigation bar) and left a comment suggesting that the next time they conduct a program that has a discussion session that they instruct the people sitting at the table to pitch their voice at the volume required to carry to the last row in the room. They would start out loud enough for 2 or 3 words and then their voice would drop to the volume needed to carry on discussion with a person right next to you. Glantz was loud enough, Etter could have used a little more volume and all the women were unintelligible. I even set the volume to the point where Glantz was painful (well, more than usual) to listen to.
 

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Thank you Elaine, I hope they take heed.

I signed up to leave a comment. :)
But I couldn't stop. :(
Y'all might want to do some clean up on aisles #3-7 or is it 3-9 ... Well, you'll see...
And that's just with Glantz page.
I so want to ask him why he deletes questions, comments on his blog... But ... I've refrained so far...
 
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