Pretty Sure I Got A Fake Joye 510

[breaktru]

I would think that the name "Joye" was a Trademark and that other manufactures should not have the name Joye in there product description.

 

[Mia]

what site does everyone buy from thats real and good price?

Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.


Great place.

 

[Drozd]

Here was my question:

I recently ordered a Joye 510 Sweetheart deal. It appears, from what I am reading on some sites around the internet, that I may have received an imposter/knock off Joye 510. Every picture I have seen of the fake vs the real 510 indicates mine are fake.

You tell me, what did I get?

Here is the reply:

From: Scott McKirahan <smckirahan@cfl.rr.com>
To: flhthemi
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 5:52:28 PM
Subject: "Real" Joye 510

There are many different manufacturers of Joye 510 e-cigarettes. The original, made by Joye Tech, as well as Joye 510s (yes, that's exactly what they call them) made by Sai Lebao, MJT, and FeelLife Bioscience, to name a few. Nowhere does it say on our website that we sell Joye Tech Joye 510s.

The original, made by Joye Tech, had atomizers that failed so often during the first week, that we (and our customers) spent a ton shipping replacements and defective atomizers back and forth (which might explain why so many web sites selling the original have changed their policy and only guarantee them against being dead on arrival). Sai Lebao made a decent enough atomizer (although it operated at a half an ohm more resistance) but their batteries had a sticky button problem. FeelLife Bioscience did not have battery or atomizer problems (again the atomizer operated at a half ohm more resistance), but sometimes their parts did not "play well" with parts from other manufacturers.

In the end, after doing a head-to-head-to-head-to-head test (something no other company has done that I know of), we switched to the MJT Joye 510. They make the best atomizer, don't have sticky button issues and our return/replacements are far lower than they were with Joye Tech, Sai Lebao or FeelLife Bioscience. Will there be occasional problems? We count on it; but nothing like with the other ones. You can read about the test we did here.

We have sold 510s by all four of those companies and, in the end, sell the ones that are manufactured the best with the least amount of problems. We don't like failing components any more than our customers do. There are a lot of ...... out there that believe that, because Joye Tech made the original Joye 510, that theirs must be the best. If we all operated on that simplistic mentality, we'd still be driving Ford Model T's.

We switched to the MJT Joye 510 a little over a month ago. Since then, we have had exactly one problem atomizer and absolutely no other components that failed. That's 10-20 times less returns than with any other manufacturer.


Scott McKirahan
Owner
Web: e-cigexpress.com
Email: info@e-cigexpress.com
Phone: (407) 442-6834

In responce I said:

Scott,

Thank you very much for this information. I'm glad to see such a quick responce to my question. If I may, I would like to post this responce on the 2 ecig forums I am a member of as there are a few of those ...... out there as you mentioned. They need to read this, just as I did. I'm new to vaping and did a lot of reading before I ordered anything from anyone. I felt your site was legit and now I know I've made a pretty good choice. I'm still learning and still vaping and am just about ready to give up real cigarettes after only having my e-cig for 3 days.

Again, thanks so much for educating me!

Steve Bostic

I just wanted to say that this quite posibly is one of the biggest piles of horse crap that I've read in a week...
the knock offs like SLB (sailebao (gotta love a distributer that cant even spell the manufacturer correctly))... are a full ohm higher in resistance than the joye originals and are all over the map resistance wise at that...joyes are 2.2Ω with a tolerance of +/- .3Ω ... the sailebao are 3.2-3.5Ω and then they claim the tolerance so it's common to see them all the way up to 3.8Ω... this major difference makes for the SLB producing weaker vapor...
I've had joye kits and knock offs and in every circumstance the knock off batteries died before the joye's did...
also the factory warranties the product to the distributor and then the distributor warranties them to us (often a fraction of what their warranty period is) ....the joye products I've gotten have had 6month warranties... the knock offs I've seen are lucky to carry 14 days....so which do you really believe is more likely to die and wear out first?

bottom line knock offs and clones are cheaper...so vendors carry the clones because they can make a better profit margin....

I do want to thank you for posting the letter though....it just helps me choose to put another vendor on my do not buy from list....since if they're going to BS a possible customer it shows what their CS will likely be like when there IS a problem with their product...

 

[flhthemi]

Here is how I feel...

Maybe it s knock off. Doesn't matter because I like it. I'm getting a full day on a battery charge, the carts that came with it are almost equal to a pack of analogs and when it comes time to replace parts I will try to get a real Joye 510 battery and atomizer just for my own comparison. So, BS or not, I feel like Scott's company is giving me a fair shake. I'm not concerned with the tech aspects of how many ohms they are/are not. I'm concerned with the end result. Does it satisfy my need to smoke...Yup it does.

ropetrick: They MIGHT get away with calling it a Focus but I doubt they would get away with Ford Focus. I do see where you're comming from tho.

It is interesting to see and read all the replies, I am learning....to wade

 

[NYCromanista]

wonder if this is a good reason why the atomizer I got from another company(not gonna say) ist working even as good as my blu did. Doesnt seem to draw any juice from my carts unless I drip it and then it lasts till the drip is gone. Guess its time for a real 510 now

 

[son et lumiere]

That stinks you got a knock off. Buy a real Joye 510 for $35 shipped from www.strictlyejuice.com and call it a day.

 

[Rosa]

wonder if this is a good reason why the atomizer I got from another company(not gonna say) ist working even as good as my blu did. Doesnt seem to draw any juice from my carts unless I drip it and then it lasts till the drip is gone. Guess its time for a real 510 now

I have a genuine Joyetech 510 and still had this problem anyway.
IMO: That's why there's so much talk about cart modding - and why I finally gave up and now I just drip.

 

[reddtree]

hello
if it works well and gets you off of analogs that is the bottom line.

 

[Drozd]

Here is how I feel...

Maybe it s knock off. Doesn't matter because I like it. I'm getting a full day on a battery charge, the carts that came with it are almost equal to a pack of analogs and when it comes time to replace parts I will try to get a real Joye 510 battery and atomizer just for my own comparison. So, BS or not, I feel like Scott's company is giving me a fair shake. I'm not concerned with the tech aspects of how many ohms they are/are not. I'm concerned with the end result. Does it satisfy my need to smoke...Yup it does.

ropetrick: They MIGHT get away with calling it a Focus but I doubt they would get away with Ford Focus. I do see where you're comming from tho.

It is interesting to see and read all the replies, I am learning....to wade

ok bottom line is that yeah you like it...

you may right now see the ohms as just a tech aspect but later you may come to realize that yes the ohms do matter when we're talking about overall performance... you just plain get more and warmer vapor off an atty with a lower resistance...that can be used to your advantage where some flavors do better at warmer temps and some cooler...

However, what I don't hold with is what he told you about joye being inferior products... that's been shown to not be the case and most vendors will stand by and use the genuine joye as a selling point..so it comes down to outright lies or misinformation and assuming that customers don't talk to each other...and when a vendor is less than scrupulous and gives a new user misinformation....that user brings it to the forums and spreads it often....and then those that have been around a while have to try to contain that misinformation..

 

[ropetrick]

That stinks you got a knock off. Buy a real Joye 510 for $35 shipped from StrictlyEjuice.com, Flavor Shop! and call it a day.

I got my 510 from strictlyejuice.com for $35, and there's no indication anywhere on the packaging that it's genuine. No mention of Joye or Joye Tech at all. However, after a day of use, I'm pretty darned happy with it. Time will tell how things hold up, but no complaints so far.

 

[Rosa]

However, what I don't hold with is what he told you about joye being inferior products... that's been shown to not be the case and most vendors will stand by and use the genuine joye as a selling point..so it comes down to outright lies or misinformation

I think if the vendor is selling an inferior product at a low, low price that's one thing. But if they are selling an inferior product for the same price as the genuine original, that's another thing altogether.

I wouldn't mind buying a fake Gucci for $60, but I'd be pretty unhappy if they were charging Gucci prices for the Gucci knockoffs (or even worse, charging Gucci prices and calling it a Gucci only to find out it's not the real thing).

 

[simply me]

I have a joye tech ego and a riva and I like the riva way better. Who's to say joye tech is better, the name. I think one manufacture will try to improve there,s over the next. I do know that the joye tech atomizers are not the same as they use to be and i'm going to be trying mjt's.