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I normally dont treat the WSF internals. The tolerances and interfaces are too tight. But the material is porous and can possible get stained. So I did a little experiment tonight to see if they could be sealed and do so without compromising all the holes, slots, grooves and rails. I put together two fresh internal units. I lightly sprayed all the parts on one unit with Krylon #1311. I did two coats. The first coat sunk in to the material, The second coat laid on top of the surface. I didnt pool the acrylic on the second spray, it was more of a misting. This acrylic spray is one of the thinnest coating surface treatments I have use. It added basically zero thickness to the parts and everything assembled perfectly after sealing the material.

I did a quick test by placing a drop of water on each assembly, it was the juice tube side and I tilted them slightly to gauge pooling vs. run off vs absorption. It worked very well. Sealed parts on the left vs unsealed on the right.

Treated - Pretest material - no real noticeable difference in material.

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One drop of water placed on each part- Treated part pools water, untreated absorbs instantly.

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15 second after the water was dropped. - Treated spreads out but stays on the surface, un treated water spreads through out the part.

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Close up on the last pic... Shiney spots are the water reflecting light. Notice the bottom half of the treated part isnt wet...

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I normally dont treat the WSF internals. The tolerances and interfaces are too tight. But the material is porous and can possible get stained. So I did a little experiment tonight to see if they could be sealed and do so without compromising all the holes, slots, grooves and rails. I put together two fresh internal units. I lightly sprayed all the parts on one unit with Krylon #1311. I did two coats. The first coat sunk in to the material, The second coat laid on top of the surface. I didnt pool the acrylic on the second spray, it was more of a misting. This acrylic spray is one of the thinnest coating surface treatments I have use. It added basically zero thickness to the parts and everything assembled perfectly after sealing the material.

I did a quick test by placing a drop of water on each assembly, it was the juice tube side and I tilted them slightly to gauge pooling vs. run off vs absorption. It worked very well. Sealed parts on the left vs unsealed on the right.

Treated - Pretest material - no real noticeable difference in material.

One drop of water placed on each part- Treated part pools water, untreated absorbs instantly.


15 second after the water was dropped. - Treated spreads out but stays on the surface, un treated water spreads through out the part.

Close up on the last pic... Shiney spots are the water reflecting light. Notice the bottom half of the treated part isnt wet...

SW screwed up and gave me polished metallic internals instead of the SWF I ordered, best thing ever, no need to treat, no stains, 3 times stronger then SWF
To me, it's the only way to go
 

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I just received a red and a black kit from Shapeways, with gold steel and nickel plated steel thick rings and tall ball tact buttons. The rings are both a tad tight, and will need to be modded ever so slightly to fit. While shaving down the lip of the plastic body and top cap would be easier, I think I will opt to shave down the inner lips of the rings, as I don't want to risk shaving too much off the body parts and compromising them. I will not use a dremel, but will hand file them to avoid any inadvertent slips.
 

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OK I gave in and went with the dremel, the metal rings would have taken too long with a file, it is a bit difficult to get in on the interior crevices and apply enough force at such an awkward angle. It is very easy with the dremel and a small stone attachment, took a few minutes to get both rings just right.

I don't believe these are out of spec, as the two would coincidentally be out of spec an equal amount. I think the metal, being grainy where the plastic is smooth, has a bit more material on every surface due to the graininess that protrudes. I suspect I took off about 0.1mm from each of the inner diamaters of the lips of the ring.
 

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Just saw this on Facebook:
We at Fat Daddy Vapes apologize if orders take a little bit longer to get out in the next week or so. As you may know Dennis (fat daddy) has been in the Philippines. He has been battling flu like symptoms, this morning he was taken to the hospital and is currently in critical care. Those of us stateside will continue to process orders, but email response and international orders may take longer than usual to process. We apologize for the inconvenience.
 

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Here is some info from my Scientist friend about CA:

(This is in response to me asking him why the acetone/CA mixture foamed up and got hot on me when I stirred it with a Ty-rap.)

Your issue reminds me of an incident from my days at Polaroid, in the 1980s. A Master's chemist whom I knew slightly from R&D came up to me in the library, where I was reading technical journals (i.e., snoozing), and asked in an offhand way what I thought might happen if one mixed ethylene diamine and methylene chloride. Without thinking (i.e., waking up) very much, I speculated that in small quantities, they'd probably just sit there indefinitely; in a really large volume, they'd probably do nothing for a few hours or days, then explode. He nodded and wandered off. I found out a few days later that he had moved to scale-up, had done the deed in question in a 600-gallon steel reactor, and that it had blown the vessel apart. (No injuries.)

I'd need more information, but I think you're running into a similar problem. CA-type adhesives are oxygen-inhibited and moisture-accelerated. So a blob in air will just sit there. but when pressed thin and moisture added, it cures rapidly. hence the toilet seat/doorknob trick. Acetone is a very hydrophilic polymer - you can look up its moisture content at various RHs - and your "stick" might have brought in enough to start the reaction. With such a large volume/surface area ratio, the exothermic reaction could then boil the acetone. Things that are OK at drop scale don't necessary perform the same way in beakers.

Hazing: there are several possible reasons. The simplest is water. You may have tried pouring an acetone solution of cellulose acetate (or other plastic) into water to get a gauzy precipitate. (The process is called phase inversion, and it is how ultrafilters and other useful objects are made.) CA monomer/oligomer is probably much more soluble in wet acetone than the polymer, hence may go hazy as the reaction proceeds. Moisture could come from the solvent - tech grade acetone can be very wet - or from the atmosphere on a wet day. Is the issue seasonal? It's easy enough to gte dry acetone (or dry it yourself with molecular sieves), but your process may still only work reliably at low RH.

The last bit about "haze" correlates with the information that jakematic shared when he played with this process.
 

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I was looking at lipo, I think what manufacturers should focus on is 7.4V input. Batteries in series should not be a big taboo as before. I mean with a good chip and maybe some safety fuses we should all feel safe. Better yet use a 2S lipo. I'm thinking of building a vamo (i like that it can go to 30 watts at 7.4v input) using a lipo pack.
 
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