Problems once Nic is added to mix

[xtremebrdr]

Alright here we go. Question for the Do it yourselfers!

Ive been getting into diy eliquid for the past month. I use ejuicemeup for the calc.
Now when i made my mixes they are on point and taste amazing with no nic added.
However if i make a mix with nic in it they are horrible. Burnt/Very Harsh Throat hits beyond belief.
Not sure exactly what im doing wrong.

my nic base is 100% VG 36mg in 60ml flavorless.
im mixing down to 6mg
Generally keeping my mixes to a 75/25 VG/PG
on the calc thats rendering me the following

1.67ml nic
1.3ml PG
5.83ml VG
1.2ml Flavor @12%

When i do this its just horrible. any idea's?
Thanks for the help/suggestings in advance!

 

[WillyZee]

try just vaping the 6mg nic base with no flavour

 

[Stacy1]

Nic will change the flavor of a mix but it shouldn't change it from delicious to horrible. I agree with Willie. Try some of your base with no flavor. Who did you buy the nic from and how old is it?

 

[JD1]

Sounds like you could have some bad nic. Give it a sniff and see if you can spot anything, and as WillyZee said, try some in the base only. That takes the flavors out of the equation. For what it's worth, my last batch of nic came from Vapors Tek and it's really clear and pretty much odor free.

 

[xtremebrdr]

I just made up a 3ml base w/ 6mg nic and it does have a peppery/harsh flavor to it. gets worse the more watts/voltage i run on my ipv. So i can see why my flavors go from awesome without it to unbearable with it now. Its an RTS Vapes 36mg 60ml bottle 100% VG nic. was mixed october 21's 2014 and expires sept 2015 so this bottle is only 2 weeks old.

 

[xtremebrdr]

Its Clear in color but their is definatly a smell to it if i give it a good sniff.

 

[Sgt.Rock]

What kind of watts are you running?

I'm vaping 50/50 16 mg unflavored downmixed from RTSVapes 100 mg liquid here right now on a 1 ohm coil at @16 watts and it's fine by me...

 

[xtremebrdr]

75/25 vg/pg mix 6mg nic level 1.2ohm coil @ generally 30watts or so depending on flavor i just added a bit of flavor to the small 3ml unflavored i made and its not as bad compared to if i make a 10ml bottle..

 

[Boletus]

You could try getting nic from another source. I have used RTS nic and had no problems, but anybody can have a bad day, and any vendor can screw up once in a while, IMO.

On the other hand, and this may not be relevant for you, but I vape at 33 mg/ml nicotine. When i take my first puffs in the morning or after eating a full meal, I get a massive TH for my first couple of puffs. After the first 2 or 3 puffs, the TH is just the way I like it (at 90% VG, 10% water, not including flavorings). It does not seem to matter which nic I use, and once my throat is coated, everything is fine. Have you just taken a couple of puffs with your mixes and said yuck, or vaped a few minutes worth to get past the first TH?

Sounds like you are having some progress with reducing flavorings, but you have not specified the name and brand of the flavor. Perhaps there is a synergy between the flavoring and the nic causing a flavor/TH overload? You could try minimizing the PG, which many say reduces TH. If you simply replace the 1.3 ml of PG with 1.3 ml of Distilled Water, you would have a mix that is 75% VG, 12% PG [assuming the flavoring(s) are PG based], and 13% DW. That might be a bit too thin, depending on your hardware.

If you went with 1.67 ml of nic base, 6.3 ml of VG, 0.8 ml of water, and 1.2 ml flavor, you would have a 9.97 ml mix that is 6 mg/ml nicotine, and approximately 80% VG, 8% DW, and 12% PG (again, assuming the flavor is PG based). That might help, or it might not. You could also try reducing the flavorings, as you have done, along with eliminating the added PG, and shooting for flavoring + DW = 20%, VG = 80%, at your desired nic level.

 

[JD1]

......... Its an RTS Vapes 36mg 60ml bottle 100% VG nic. was mixed october 21's 2014 and expires sept 2015 so this bottle is only 2 weeks old.

I'd drop RTS a line and see what they say. In the mean time you might try some heavy vg mixes with a little distilled water to thin it. It might not be your favorite tasting but will maybe get you through until you can get some fresh nic. Good luck and I hope you get it sorted soon.

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

I'd say it is your nic as well. But RTS does get good props for its nic on the boards. But it shouldn't go from great to garbage. As suggested try the mix @ 0 mg (no nic) and see what it tastes like.

 

[xtremebrdr]

You could try getting nic from another source. I have used RTS nic and had no problems, but anybody can have a bad day, and any vendor can screw up once in a while, IMO.

On the other hand, and this may not be relevant for you, but I vape at 33 mg/ml nicotine. When i take my first puffs in the morning or after eating a full meal, I get a massive TH for my first couple of puffs. After the first 2 or 3 puffs, the TH is just the way I like it (at 90% VG, 10% water, not including flavorings). It does not seem to matter which nic I use, and once my throat is coated, everything is fine. Have you just taken a couple of puffs with your mixes and said yuck, or vaped a few minutes worth to get past the first TH?

Sounds like you are having some progress with reducing flavorings, but you have not specified the name and brand of the flavor. Perhaps there is a synergy between the flavoring and the nic causing a flavor/TH overload? You could try minimizing the PG, which many say reduces TH. If you simply replace the 1.3 ml of PG with 1.3 ml of Distilled Water, you would have a mix that is 75% VG, 12% PG [assuming the flavoring(s) are PG based], and 13% DW. That might be a bit too thin, depending on your hardware.

If you went with 1.67 ml of nic base, 6.3 ml of VG, 0.8 ml of water, and 1.2 ml flavor, you would have a 9.97 ml mix that is 6 mg/ml nicotine, and approximately 80% VG, 8% DW, and 12% PG (again, assuming the flavor is PG based). That might help, or it might not. You could also try reducing the flavorings, as you have done, along with eliminating the added PG, and shooting for flavoring + DW = 20%, VG = 80%, at your desired nic level.

Ive tried two different flavors with the Nic base. Butterscotch & Peach Both TFA Product. As far as TH goes myself and my buddy who regularly are using bases of 12mg rather then 6mg couldnt stand it. And we both tried to stick with it for about 5ml worth to see if it got better. It seems not too powerful when done in small 3ml content but once the amount is bumped to a 10ml quantity is when it gets horrible. Hardware wise im using an ipv2 with a mephisto rda so not sure if i want to Thin it out to much and get messy. But im going to give you 80%vg 8%DW 12%pg mix a shot and see what resolves.

 

[Raztax]

Other than bad nic, the only thing I could think of would be the nic base being much stonger than 6mg.
The peppery/harsh taste is normal and increases the stronger the nic level is. If your nic base was actually say 16mg instead of 6mg, then I would expect the taste to be way off from what you would be expecting