Problems quitting that first smoke when i get up!!

[Kate]

I agree, retraining/developing new habits takes a little time and with esmoking only a small amount of willpower.

Patience is the main thing, don't make it a hardship, just swap to esmoking when you are ready. It's no big deal if you continue to have a hot one occasionally, it's not a slippery slope in the way it is with cold turkey.

 

[youfillintheblank]

I don't bother with analogues anymore except when I'm driving. I am perfectly happy with an e-cig as the first smoke. Mostly cuz it's winter here, and I don't want to have to change clothes and put on 3 layers for a damn cigarette. Screw that, I get up, have breakfast, and grab my M401. After about 6 weeks on e cigs, I've gone days without analogues. And they're right in the drawer next to the bed. I'll smoke real ones if I have one or two flat batteries or some on charge and I don't wanna be caught short, but that's it.

 

[UkUsa]

yftb ...... funny, i actually prefer the ecig in the car. Don't have to have the window open when it's cold and snowy or raining. I did try a different routine this morning and worked .... for about 30 min . Oh well there is always tomorrow.

Kate you are right, patience is definitly the key and i agree about one slip up with cold turkey. That is a lot of pressure there. This way it's more of an ok, maybe next time.

TX - we have two labs that need going out so i have to go outside with them ...... that's the tough part of the routine. Did take the ecig with me this morning and it was ok. Made sure i had a fully charged batt and a freshly topped off cart. That worked pretty good.

Once again thanks for all the replies to this post.

 

[jackolantern]

You can also try drawing the vapor directly into your lungs in the morning if you are normally a "mouth hitter" (like almost all of us are). First thing in the morning is the only time I pull the vapor directly into my lungs, but I get HUGE amount of vapor with a strong throat hit that feels just like smoking an analog. It hits you really fast and hard that way, and it seems to give me the "head spins" like analogs normally would in the morning. Very satisfying, and I don't even think about analogs.

 

[UkUsa]

Jack ... what is this not inhaling all the way you speak of ???

I guess 30 years of smoking analogues, i just kept doing the same.

Shall have to try that out for a while to see how well that works.

I have been finding myself getting a good little head buzz going while sitting on the couch in the evening. Guess i shouldn't have that darn ecig in my pocket. It's just too tempting to pull it out and take a couple or 5 or 6 puffs.

 

[youfillintheblank]

I'd prefer the e-cig all the time, but I smoke tobacco in the car, cuz I still have a steep supply of rolling tobacco, and don't wanna just throw it out (waste waste waste!!) since I already own it, I'll save a bit on e-smoking costs. and since I'm already dressed, and with a coat on I don't mind the cold through the window too much. UNLESS it's raining or snowing or there's locusts or something, then it's e-cig time. AND you don't have to drip analogue cigs! Or change the carts, or batteries, or look for flashing auto clean lights.

yftb ...... funny, i actually prefer the ecig in the car. Don't have to have the window open when it's cold and snowy or raining. I did try a different routine this morning and worked .... for about 30 min . Oh well there is always tomorrow..

 

[RainbowznStarz]

A new term- Mouth hitter. I like it.

 

[jackolantern]

Jack ... what is this not inhaling all the way you speak of ???

I guess 30 years of smoking analogues, i just kept doing the same.

Shall have to try that out for a while to see how well that works.

I have been finding myself getting a good little head buzz going while sitting on the couch in the evening. Guess i shouldn't have that darn ecig in my pocket. It's just too tempting to pull it out and take a couple or 5 or 6 puffs.

With most analogues, inhaling directly into the lungs is murder, and is usually followed by a coughing fit. So, most cig smokers (including myself) instinctively started mouth hitting cigs from day one. I had not even thought about inhaling directly into the lungs (at least I don't think about the way I inhale very often) until I saw someone talking about it in a YouTube video.

..however, he did not call it mouth-hitting

 

[Bellinghamster]

..however, he did not call it mouth-hitting

Yep, I think you can TM that term

It's a good point that most smokers don't think about the way they inhale and that it may not translate to vaporizing.

I've personally found that the "direct lung" inhale is only efficient for low vapor producing super-minis - and even then it provided more of a burning taste than a proper "hit". The 901 or the Janty mini fogger [for me] produce sufficient vapor be able to "mouth hit" with good satisfaction...

 

[gep]

To those just starting:

I actually purchased my Njoy at the end of June 08. I continued to smoke analogues here and there until Nov 8th. I have not smoked an analogue since that time. I did try one the other day and took one puff and coughed my head off. What a nasty flavor and so harsh!

Like Clavit said :Be patient, you're moving in the right direction. Focus on that.

PS: What you guys call "mouth-hitting", I've called "head-smoking". LOL!

 

[GabbyD]

I was having trouble with the after dinner smoke and the before bed smoke. I tried to not pressure myself or be frustrated. I just challenged myself to try the e-cig first and see how I felt. Once I got through that first day, I haven't looked back. I admit there have been a couple of cravings here and there, but I just stop and sit down and puff for a while and it goes away. In fact, sitting down was one of my first hurdles. The e-smoke was so convenient (as opposed to having to go outside) that I found I wasn't taking a break like I would have with a real smoke. Making myself stop and sit down occasionally helped that craving too. I think I was craving a break as much as a real smoke!

 

[TropicalBob]

There's a dichotomy in the Health New Zealand studies that troubled me, and still does. Two volumes of vapor inhalation were measured by machines. A "hit" of nicotine from vapor was one-fifth the total in a comparable hit from a tobacco cigarette. That fact alone is troubling. But ... no nicotine at all was measured with the lower volume of inhalation. Only the long draws of a large volume of vapor had nicotine.

That means puffing the e-cig will produce an even-lesser hit, since all nicotine would have to be absorbed by the mouth's membranes, as with pipe smoking or snus. There would be no 7-second transfer to the brain of nicotine moved to the blood stream. Thus no calming of craving. This lack of nicotine quantity and slow routing to the brain might explain the dissatisfaction many have with e-smoking, especially at critical times such as first thing on awakening or after the evening meal.

We don't get enough, fast enough!

The studies say 98% of nicotine is absorbed from the vapor. But that transfer doesn't take place with quick puffs, as we do with a cigarette, or lesser amounts of vapor.

I'm still puzzling over these findings, since I do not want to suck an e-cig for 5 or more seconds! I will soon move from 24mg to 36mg liquid to see if that helps. And, since vapor volume matters, that might explain why Trog's Screwdriver pleases so many hard-core nicotine addicts.

 

[UkUsa]

Bob .... that is an interesting and yes slightly worrying article. Maybe that is why you can vap and vap and not get too bad, much other than a headache. Hmmmm foood for thought.

As for my morning problem, i haven't touched an analogue yet. I do have some left in a pack in the drawer here but they are still there. I just told myself this morning, "lets try the ecig today and nothing else". Had a fresh off the charger batt and a freshly topped cart. That worked ok, even got a little throat hit cough going. Maybe because it was only 15f and i was taking the dogs out. Had my coffee with me so took a few gulps of that and it was just like a regular morning .

If i get through today i may just put up my ticker tomorrow.

 

[ladybug51]

As for my morning problem, i haven't touched an analogue yet.

And a for you! You can do it, I know you can.

The morning is still my hardest time as many have stated. I would smoke three analogs within the first hour or so with my coffee. When I first wake up I just hit the ecig with a fervor. Several straight hits into the lungs. Then the urge finally goes away after a few minutes and I slow down till I feel an urge again. Much like when I smoked analogs. ...Bug

 

[TropicalBob]

Only force of will can work. Why? No vapor has the hit of a cigarette inhalation.

In Dr. Murray Laugesen's reply to Trumpy on the Australian ban, the researcher now says it takes nine e-puffs to equal one inhalation from a tobacco cigarette. Early on, it was said that we got half the nicotine. Then it became one-fifth the nicotine. Now, it's one-ninth. That seems most accurate to me.

I do know that I do not get the satisfaction from vaping that smoking provided. I have never "felt" a nicotine hit from an e-inhalation. I think for heavy former smokers, the nicotine hit is from the wrong place (the mouth because the vapor is alkaline) and too weak.

By Dr. Laugesen's newest measure, we would need about 100mg liquid to get the same effect as a cigarette with each puff. Now, that would be "high" nic. Course, a few drops on the skin would kill us, but ....

It would explain why many are dissatisfied with their experience.

 

[New Year quitter]

I've been without real ciggies for two days and before that I was smoking 3-4 real ones a day and using the e-cig mostly and to be honest the worst craving for me was right after my weight lifting workout, mornings are a doodle.

 

[UkUsa]

Once again Bob a very informative post, and i think i could agree with the estimate of nicotine too.

A lot of it is power of the mind. I did manage to not have that analog in the morning even though i had some in the desk drawer. You HAVE to say to yourself "i'm not going to do it!"

I haven't exactly been experiencing dissatisfaction with the ecigs. It is definitely not equivalent to smoking tobacco. But so far it has been a good alternative.

I still get the urges to smoke an analog. That is when my mind speaks up and says to me "are you really sure you want to?"

Now i don't have any readliy available so that temptation is gone. It would mean going to a store and buying some. With all the money i have spent on ecigs so far that really isn't an option either .

I am just glad to be rid of analogs after 30 years. My intention is to drop the ecigs too eventually. Maybe even once my stash of liquid i have now is gone. I'll make that decision when the time comes.

 

[New Year quitter]

Once again Bob a very informative post, and i think i could agree with the estimate of nicotine too.

A lot of it is power of the mind. I did manage to not have that analog in the morning even though i had some in the desk drawer. You HAVE to say to yourself "i'm not going to do it!"

I haven't exactly been experiencing dissatisfaction with the ecigs. It is definitely not equivalent to smoking tobacco. But so far it has been a good alternative.

I still get the urges to smoke an analog. That is when my mind speaks up and says to me "are you really sure you want to?"

Now i don't have any readliy available so that temptation is gone. It would mean going to a store and buying some. With all the money i have spent on ecigs so far that really isn't an option either .

I am just glad to be rid of analogs after 30 years. My intention is to drop the ecigs too eventually. Maybe even once my stash of liquid i have now is gone. I'll make that decision when the time comes.

That could be a bad move. If you get the craving again you'll be forced back to real cigs as you'll be able to get yer hands on em in minutes, whereas it would take days to get a new e-cig online. So if you quit completely make sure you have a fully working e-cig hidden away somewhere.

 

[UkUsa]

NYQ ... that is definitely something to think about. Maybe i'll stash some carts away. I will wait till i get closer to that time and see how things are going.

As with getting past that first smoke, i'm not going to pressure myself into anything.

 

[Mufftrix]

Me and UKUsa quit analogs about same time and I want to quit full stop but can`t see it happening yet Have had really bad chest and cold (quitting or e-smoking?) so tried other day with out e-cig and by dinner time the old craving for analogs reared it`s ugly head again! So back on e-cig with avengence haha! Got medium nicotene cartridges now after week or so of high so think it more act of smoking than the nicotene with me? something to do when on computer or bored at work worse vaping sessions! Down to low then 0 nicotene over next month or so then who knows