Problems with the BB

[Mr Sinister]

I received the BB on Black Friday. It doesn't seem to be performing as expected. I don't know a whole lot about checking things with a multimeter but so far I get the voltage I need coming out of the atomizer connection (right around 4 volts) but its just not hitting well at all. I tried different atomizers, different batteries and nothing is working. I seriously get better performance from a standard 510 battery and it is very frustrating. I know Chad is best qualified to answer this for me, but I thought I would ask anyway and see if anyone else had some insight.

Here are the batteries I am using if that helps any:

AW 14500 Protected Rechargeable Lithium Battery

 

[LuckySevens4U]

I received the BB on Black Friday. It doesn't seem to be performing as expected. I don't know a whole lot about checking things with a multimeter but so far I get the voltage I need coming out of the atomizer connection (right around 4 volts) but its just not hitting well at all. I tried different atomizers, different batteries and nothing is working. I seriously get better performance from a standard 510 battery and it is very frustrating. I know Chad is best qualified to answer this for me, but I thought I would ask anyway and see if anyone else had some insight.

Here are the batteries I am using if that helps any:

AW 14500 Protected Rechargeable Lithium Battery

Wow, this is VERY interesting to me.....first of all it is NOT the BB. I am having the same issues with the BB AND the Protege. It's the batteries....I am using trustfire 14500's protected and I don't get as great of a vape in either of them as I do on a mega 510 batty. I do not understand this at all and I have been told to buy the AW batteries because they are supposed to be the BEST and then you post this.....lol

My next step is to try the unprotected Tenergy batteries. I do NOT want to use unprotected, but I don't know what else to do!!!

 

[Mr Sinister]

I think the reason their supposed to be the best is because of the protection and quality. I have a Chuck also that I received on the same day. The Chuck and the BB are my first mods. The Chuck hits like a steam engine. I expected the BB to at least come close considering they are both running 3.7V batteries. The Chuck takes a protected 18650 but the reading I'm getting from the atomizer connection on both are the same. WTF?

 

[doots]

I use Aw's 123's and have had no problem at all.. I dont have the BB but use them ina couple of other mods.

 

[lotus14]

I think the reason their supposed to be the best is because of the protection and quality. I have a Chuck also that I received on the same day. The Chuck and the BB are my first mods. The Chuck hits like a steam engine. I expected the BB to at least come close considering they are both running 3.7V batteries. The Chuck takes a protected 18650 but the reading I'm getting from the atomizer connection on both are the same. WTF?

It should be the same reading - they're both 3.7v batts. The unprotected ones I use (Tenergys) charge up to 4.2v before the charger cuts off.

Does your BB not vape as well as the Chuck with the same atty? If not, make sure the 510 adapter on the BB is good and clean and let us know how it goes.

 

[crashtestjeep]

laws of conductivity...copper has different resistance than aluminum...do a search on here...copper-100, aluminum -49......I vape my SB at 6v and my Cuck at 3.7v...Love em both, but def each has its own purpose Hope that helps.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

It should be the same reading - they're both 3.7v batts. The unprotected ones I use (Tenergys) charge up to 4.2v before the charger cuts off.

Does your BB not vape as well as the Chuck with the same atty? If not, make sure the 510 adapter on the BB is good and clean and let us know how it goes.

And approximately how long is it before that 4.2 drops to say 3.8?

 

[Mr Sinister]

Yes Lotus same reading with the button pushed, same atomizer and cart. Cleaning the connections I've done about 4 times now with just a q-tip and same result.

 

[lotus14]

And approximately how long is it before that 4.2 drops to say 3.8?

On my Protege I'd guess about 2-4 hours. I would do a more scientific test for you tomorrow but my switch just stuck. Again.

Back to the repair shop I suppose...

 

[Mr Sinister]

And approximately how long is it before that 4.2 drops to say 3.8?

I was out and about with it for about 4-5 hours earlier, trying to get hits off of it. It's reading 3.8 now but I don't know when it dropped off. There was no performance difference when it was fully charged to now. Seems about the same.

 

[Mr Sinister]

laws of conductivity...copper has different resistance than aluminum...do a search on here...copper-100, aluminum -49......I vape my SB at 6v and my Cuck at 3.7v...Love em both, but def each has its own purpose Hope that helps.

I understand all that. But does a standard 510 battery hit harder than your SB at 3.7V? I also tried 6V with a couple disposable CR2's on the BB and still weak. I have roughly 36mg juice and it's like breathing air, with very small amounts of vapor. I tried about 5 seconds, then 7 seconds, and finally 10 seconds at 6V with this thing and still nothing to write home about.

 

[nj1001]

I have noticed a similar thing, ie my stock 510 battery & 3.7V SB seems a bit stronger than 3.7 on the BB all tested using the same atty. I dunno but the Cu vs Al factor might just be it. Dang! Any way to rectify this? Now I REALLY feel the need to up my BB to 6V

 

[Mr Sinister]

I have noticed a similar thing, ie my stock 510 battery & 3.7V SB seems a bit stronger than 3.7 on the BB all tested using the same atty. I dunno but the Cu vs Al factor might just be it. Dang! Any way to rectify this? Now I REALLY feel the need to up my BB to 6V

Shouldn't the SB be weaker with that theory since there is that much more aluminum to pass through?

 

[nj1001]

I don't think the Al-Cu factor applies when comparing the SB & BB as I think they have the same materials. I thought for a sec that the atty port on the BB was copper but comparing the two they appear to be the same material (definitely neither are copper). Therefore the Al-CU factor as someone posted would apply to comparing the SB & the 510 stock batteries that have copper connections. So regardless, if I feel like I'm noticing a similar difference between the SB & stock 510 batt & the BB I just dont know... may be psychological as I frequently use my SB at high voltages I just think its hitting harder at the same voltage then the BB.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

I have noticed a similar thing, ie my stock 510 battery & 3.7V SB seems a bit stronger than 3.7 on the BB all tested using the same atty. I dunno but the Cu vs Al factor might just be it. Dang! Any way to rectify this? Now I REALLY feel the need to up my BB to 6V

Well ya, i wanted to blame the Protege for my problems, but I'll tell you, once I got the BB and it was vaping the same as the Protege, I now know it's batteries. I definitely agree that I get much more vaping consistency and pleasure when my 510 is on a stock mega titan battery vs. a mod, any mod taking the 14500. That is my experience thus far and it IS frustrating! I agree. I love my BB and my Protege, but I am NOT satisfied with the 14500.

 

[nj1001]

Yeah, must be the batteries. I also too Mr SInister's advice I read on another post to pull out the spring & pull it a wee bit to allow the battery to spring up to the opposite side a bit better & i think it may help somewhat, but yeah. I'm glad to know the protege isn't better & that the batteries are potentially weird, but it shouldn't make much difference since 3.7 is 3.7. I think compared to the stock 510 battery the comparison is obvious & in that case the resistance of Copper vs Aluminum is the key.
Gotta find "safe' CR2's (ie either PCB/protected or LiFePO4's) keep posted!!!- 6V is the sh@t- 3.7 sucks by comparison

 

[lotus14]

Well ya, i wanted to blame the Protege for my problems, but I'll tell you, once I got the BB and it was vaping the same as the Protege, I now know it's batteries. I definitely agree that I get much more vaping consistency and pleasure when my 510 is on a stock mega titan battery vs. a mod, any mod taking the 14500. That is my experience thus far and it IS frustrating! I agree. I love my BB and my Protege, but I am NOT satisfied with the 14500.

I definitely got better hits from my Protege using the Tenergy batts than from a stock batt or an inline batt passthrough - when the switch was working!

 

[Mr Sinister]

Yeah, must be the batteries. I also too Mr SInister's advice I read on another post to pull out the spring & pull it a wee bit to allow the battery to spring up to the opposite side a bit better & i think it may help somewhat, but yeah. I'm glad to know the protege isn't better & that the batteries are potentially weird, but it shouldn't make much difference since 3.7 is 3.7. I think compared to the stock 510 battery the comparison is obvious & in that case the resistance of Copper vs Aluminum is the key.
Gotta find "safe' CR2's (ie either PCB/protected or LiFePO4's) keep posted!!!- 6V is the sh@t- 3.7 sucks by comparison

Yeah the spring thing seemed to help a bit. I also agree on the battery, if it's 3.7V. Is there any way to test the voltage at the atomizer connection with the unit assembled?

 

[lotus14]

Yeah the spring thing seemed to help a bit. I also agree on the battery, if it's 3.7V. Is there any way to test the voltage at the atomizer connection with the unit assembled?

Black probe on the threads, red on the inner contact. Press button. With a fully charged Tenergy (unprotected) I got about 4.18v on the Protege.

The only other obvious thing is what amperage the switch can handle, but I'm sure AltSmoke thought of that when they built 'em.

 

[Mr Sinister]

Okay, so I am getting about 3.9v. Shouldn't that be what the atomizer is getting when connected, minus the resistance?