proceed with caution!!!

[grimmys cigs]

I just made a discovery that im afraid to post but in disclosure's sake i must tell. I have recieved my orders for smokey mountain and hooch herbal snuff which contain no nicotine and no tobacco. they come in all sorts of fruit flavors and are made from herbs so they dont carry the mouth cancer dangers of traditional spit tobacco. Now for the dangerous stuff, be careful!!! I took my can of cherry smokey mountain and I added 6 drops of my cherry e-liquid from e-cig to the can and mixed and shook it very well.I took a medium pinch and it turned out to be one of the best nicotine kicks in my life and the cherry liquid amped the cherry flavor in the snuff!!! Now ,this is extremely important when you place this mixture in your mouth: YOU MUST EXPECTORATE/SPIT!!!!!. I repeat: DO NOT SWALLOW!!!! You will get the nicotine hit from the lining inside your mouth. This could be the answer to dip tobacco users who want to reduce the risks with snuff/dip tobacco. If you are going to try this, expirement with the LEAST amount of e-liquid drops until you find the right amount for you. Enjoy and be safe!!! PS: I also tried this with the arctic ice smokey mountain herbal snuff and i added some drops of my menthol e-liquid and it rocks!!! :geek: :geek: :geek:

 

[TropicalBob]

I did some math one day and counted out drops to make 1ml in my syringe. Each ml of my liquid contains 24mg of nicotine. Each drop, I calculated, has 1.6mg of nicotine. I was calculating for nasal spray (bad news because it causes nasal infection, according to Dr. Loi, so don't try it), but the amounts can be used for what you tried. Your 6 drops added 9.6mg of nicotine to the non-nicotine dip. Not sure how much dip you used, but that certainly could give you a kick. Keep in mind that only 25 drops will kill you. You might try spraying it next time, to more evenly distribute the moisture. But, as you say, do be careful. Make sure someone knows what you're doing, so they could relay accurate information to emergency technicians if you overdose. Me? I'll stick to snus to complement my e-smoking.

 

[NerdyCinderella]

I was thinking somewhat along the same line as you TB.
However, I was thinking of creating a secure database of our SOs (significant others) so in case we didn’t hear from you in a while we could make some emergency contacts and call 911!.

 

[grimmys cigs]

thanks for the calculations tropicalbob. i thought i was crazy with the herbal dip, but nasal spray? you are a brave man tb. i love this method for the very quick, powerful kick! but be warned this product make a mess in your mouth you have to rinse and then brush to make sure its all out. herbal particles every which way!!!

 

[TropicalBob]

I didn't try to use this as nasal spray. Dr. Loi in Malaysia is way ahead of the curve on e-smoking, so I asked him. What had happened is that leaking bottles from E-Cig has obscured the markings of what was what. So I opened a bottle and began sniffing. Nothing. So I brought a drop to the top of the eyedropper -- and sniffed. And I bumped it into the side of my nose, way up inside. It was menthol! Whoeeeee. It burned. And opened up my sinuses. A short time later, I got a nic hit. So I wondered if this could be made into a nasal spray like those sold by Big Pharmaceutical. The short answer is "no" since we haven't the buffering compounds or whatever to make this not irritate our nasal passages. When I asked Dr. Loi, lo and behold, he had already tried it. His patients got infections in their noses about a week after steady use. I then dropped the idea of this liquid used that way or as liquid for an overnight patch (it can cause contact dermatitis).

You do be careful with your experiments.

 

[grimmys cigs]

hello everyone i thought i would give you all an update on my expirement with the herbal snuff and the e-drops. I added the drops before i got the per drop amounts of nicotine that tropical bob provided. Needless to say after working a double-shift at work with very little sleep,having two dips of my spiked herbal snuff, almost nonstop use of my njoy,using hydroxycut, (a weight loss pill, and finally asking one of my workers for a newport cigarette, I ENDED UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM!!!!! my blood pressure shot up to 185 over 100!!! I thought i was going to die. I had trouble breathing,I felt intense heat shooting through my entire body and horrendous dizzy spells. MY workers had to get me a chair while I waited for ems to arrive. I told my doctor about my " nicotine- replacement therapy" = ecigs and nicotine laced snuff. He was more concerned about the hydroxycut!!! believe it or not. He said my smoking alternatives are fine as long as I do not mix them with real cigarettes. That, he said will take my pressure over the top. Needless to say my hydroxycut hardcore is now in the garbage!! Also I made a new system for my self to pick a day and just stick with one product to curtail overdosing. For example one day just use snus, the next my njoy, the next my spiked herbal snuff and so on and so forth. Do not make my mistakes !!! good health to all on this forum!! :? :?

 

[dnakr]

Thank goodness your okay. You had a lot of different mixtures going on didn't you? Please, please, please be careful when trying these experiments. Remember, we don't know exactly what this is doing to us and how it will react with different medications that we are using.

 

[grimmys cigs]

thanks dnakr. I will surely take it easy from now on with these products. Ive grown a new respect for these things. They really can KILL if not used responsibly!!!!! I went to the doctor today for a follow up and they found my blood pressure at an excellent level. I know it had plenty to do with the massive doses of caffeine in the hydroxycut weight loss pills in addition to the nicotine. :? :? :?

 

[grimmys cigs]

tropical bob, i added the 7 drops to the entire unused can of dip, which is the size of a regular dip can like skoal, copenhagen, etc.

 

[TropicalBob]

Okay, but try to consume the minimum amount that satisfies your personal needs. We are all different. Like you, I use snus all day, smoke several pipes of the strongest latakia tobacco, go through Stonewall tobacco bits like they were candy, and e-smoke most of the day. I love coffee, too. I've only overdosed twice -- never so seriously to end up in an emergency room. Do be careful.

And I'm one of those increasingly convinced that nicotine is not the benign substance we make it out to be. Last year, I had carotid artery surgery and the doctors were adament that the nicotine from my years of smoking had hardened my arteries. Not smoke. Nicotine.

For one test while I was in a doctor's clinic, I popped a snus under a lip -- and the doctor recorded a 20-point jump in blood pressure. He almost put me on medication before testing another day without nicotine in my system. I was perfect then. Your best bet -- the best bet for all of us -- is to let e-smoking lead us to vaporizing flavor only. No nicotine. No smoke. Live long!

 

[jasondavis48108]

So I was thinking, an original portion snus from general has 8mg of nic in it. Your 7 drops had a total of 11.2 mg of nic in it i your using the 24mg liquid or 7.49 mg if your using the 16mg liquid. If you figure that there are just 10 pinchs in a can of smokey mountian then your getting 11.2 / 10 equals 1.2 mg of nic per pinch at best. The lining of your mouth is only about 60% eficient at absorbing the nic so if the pinch has 1.2 mg your getting about 1.2*.6= 0.72 mg of nic per pinch. This is nowhere near enough nic, a good cig has at least 1mg of nic, so I am in the process of running this experiment with a can of cherry smokey mountian.

1) I emptied the can into an old butter tub so that I could mix better.

2) I added 10 drops of high (16mg) vannila liquid to the contents of the can. If 24mg liquid has 1.6mg of nic per drop then 16mg liquid has (1.6*16)/24 = about 1.07 mg per drop. so my 10 drops added 10*1.07= 10.7 mg of nic to the can. If the can has ten pinchs then this gives me about 1mg of nic per pinch. My guess is that I won't feel much if any effect since my normal snus has 8mg of nic per pouch.

I have not tried my concoction yet (it's chilling in my mini-fridge), as I figured I'd open this up for comment before I dove in. Is there anything that I have not thought of?

 

[jasondavis48108]

update. Allowed the stuff to hang out in the fridge for about hours and then tried a pinch. Wow, it definitly had a bit of a kick which I wasn't expecting. I hadn't eaten for awhile when I tried it and I'm not sure if this had an impact so I'll try it after eating and give an update. Definitly don't think I'd want to go much higher than the ten drops per can I used. Not sure why such little nic is having an effect, anyone have any ideas?

 

[jamie]

Not sure why such little nic is having an effect, anyone have any ideas?

One possibility is that it's not as little nic as you think. We don't know the quality control of the eliquids. If ecig quality is anything to go by, your label might be little more than a label.

Another possibility is absorption rates. Nicotine delivered via eliquid onto membranes is likely absorbed at a different rate than nicotine contained within pouched snus tobacoo (for example). Also not sure on how evenly it is really distributed when you mix.

Since some of us get blistery bumps from membrane contact with eliquid, it makes me a bit nervous to read about it being used like this. I know you're all pretty ingenious and hope you're equally safe!

 

[grimmys cigs]

thats so cool jason. have you developed any abrasions in your lip? i havent, so all is well. Im glad that others on this forum are trying this out. If we can help reduce the harm of dip by adding e-liquid to herbal snuff, it a good day!! not to mention the world of possibilities as far as flavor combinations. Please post all experiments on this topic good and bad. so far i have only tried this with smokey mountain and it worked well. I have some unopened cans of hooch snuff that i will be trying this on. stay tuned!!

 

[Bellinghamster]

OK, now I feel like I'm not the addict I thought I was...

PLEASE be careful... no mainlining 100% pure or anything...

 

[PeteMcArthur]

I must be missing something here, would it not be easier to try real snuff? It's been around for hundreds of years and has been proved to be about the safest way of using tobacco (That's not to say it's completely safe) If I have missed the obvious please excuse my ignorance

 

[TropicalBob]

A post from the past ...

You're not missing a thing, Pete. Snus would be even better. But Jason -- haven't heard from him in awhile -- was experimenting. I've done similar.

Sigh. I miss Jamie, too. She was one of the brightest posters this forum had.

 

[PeteMcArthur]

A post from the past ...

You're not missing a thing, Pete. Snus would be even better. But Jason -- haven't heard from him in awhile -- was experimenting. I've done similar.

Sigh. I miss Jamie, too. She was one of the brightest posters this forum had.

OK Must learn to check dates! Can't get the hang of snus at all, if you or anyone else want a pile of the stuff, it's your for postage costs.

Cheers

Pete

 

[Exchewer]

hello everyone i thought i would give you all an update on my expirement with the herbal snuff and the e-drops. I added the drops before i got the per drop amounts of nicotine that tropical bob provided. Needless to say after working a double-shift at work with very little sleep,having two dips of my spiked herbal snuff, almost nonstop use of my njoy,using hydroxycut, (a weight loss pill, and finally asking one of my workers for a newport cigarette, I ENDED UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM!!!!! my blood pressure shot up to 185 over 100!!! I thought i was going to die. I had trouble breathing,I felt intense heat shooting through my entire body and horrendous dizzy spells. MY workers had to get me a chair while I waited for ems to arrive. I told my doctor about my " nicotine- replacement therapy" = ecigs and nicotine laced snuff. He was more concerned about the hydroxycut!!! believe it or not. He said my smoking alternatives are fine as long as I do not mix them with real cigarettes. That, he said will take my pressure over the top. Needless to say my hydroxycut hardcore is now in the garbage!! Also I made a new system for my self to pick a day and just stick with one product to curtail overdosing. For example one day just use snus, the next my njoy, the next my spiked herbal snuff and so on and so forth. Do not make my mistakes !!! good health to all on this forum!! :? :?

Holy crap! isn't anyone going to help this guy? Dude, why bother lacing herbal snuff? Isn't that what Copenhagen is for? This is insane!

 

[TropicalBob]

Er ... please look at the DATES that posts were made. That was more than a year ago. It was his experiment and he learned. We all did. Long ago. It was best forgotten, never to be brought up again. Ah, but with your comment, you brought this Frankenstein experiment back to life. It rose to the top of the thread list, bringing attention to something no one should try.

Let old posts rest in peace.