Protect dog/cat - NO flea medication

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For a less chemically way to prevent fleas and ticks my aunt used to use Skin So Soft from Avon on her dog. For some reason fleas hate the smell of it and stay away. She mixed it with water and kept it in a spray bottle and spritzed his legs and belly with it before taking him outside and he never got fleas or ticks. This was years and years ago before they had the monthly flea treatments and all that was available was flea collars. I seem to remember it also keeps away mosquitoes. It smells great and her dogs coat always stayed in beautiful condition and was really shiny because of it.
 

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For a less chemically way to prevent fleas and ticks my aunt used to use Skin So Soft from Avon on her dog. For some reason fleas hate the smell of it and stay away. She mixed it with water and kept it in a spray bottle and spritzed his legs and belly with it before taking him outside and he never got fleas or ticks. This was years and years ago before they had the monthly flea treatments and all that was available was flea collars. I seem to remember it also keeps away mosquitoes. It smells great and her dogs coat always stayed in beautiful condition and was really shiny because of it.


My daughter has a dog that has skin and allergy problems. He loves the great outdoors and has a big yard that is mainly forest to run in. I will pass this on, maybe it will help.
 

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I've heard bad stuff about this product...but never really knew of anyone that had these problems. So sorry you had to go thru this.

I use frontline on my brood, and i also give them brewers yeast tablets with garlic....they think its a treat and it helps with the abundence of fleas and ticks we have around here.
 

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Here's what the 723rd comment on that site given on the first page says:

"I had a bad experience with this product. Sergeants settled my claim out of court for the out of pocket vet bills I incurred when two of my pups had severe reactions to it. Chunk died in February of this year at the age of 6 months after being treated with it in October. He was a wonderful dog. He will be missed."


Keep warning your friends and everyone on your email lists about this.
 

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Permethrin is the problem it's Not just that one brand name, the majority of flea and tick things have that as it's main active ingredient.

It was originally developed for chemical warfare during ww2 it attacks the nervous system...lets put it on our pets!


I lost a cat once, she cuddled with the dog after he was treated, and well not much the vet could do...never again.


before I deployed to iraq, we had to soak one uniform in permethrin, in case bugs got bad over there :shock:
 

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I don't think it's the dog or cat that has anything to do with it. Some areas are just infested and some are not. I brought my animals to Califronia on a trip and WOW what a mistake. They all got nailed. I'm lucky in that where I live now we just don't seem to have any at all. However, one of my friends that lives about a half hour away gets ticks like no tomorrow. Ticks up here are not just a danger to pets, I have two friends who have gotten lime disease from deer ticks.

I honestly don't know how true this is because it's second hand, but I have also been told that many of the problems with this med. is that it's NOT one size fits all. So some animals are more likely to have a reaction than others, based on the size and age of the animal. Heartworms are big thing around here, I lost one dog to them when I was really young. This was before everyone had them on meds. I lost one dog about 15 years ago that was on the meds anyway. I have my dogs checked every six months but it was too late.
 

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I have had excellent results using Raid Flea Killer Plus Carpet and room spray(purple can).:D I have two cats and a mommy with babies I've brought inside. And I just spray this on the floors, carpets, cat bedding etc... Then vacuum it after it dries up. Been working good for three years now and no problems with the cats. Very happy with this product but I figure a super flea will come around sooner or later and.......:p:(
 

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BradSmith, I don't think the poisonous effect has much to do with the size of the pet. If you read the link given in the first post you'll see everything from the smallest to the largest dogs that suffered or died.

They have different doses in the boxes depending on the size of your pet, so proportionately, both the bigger and smaller pets will get the same amount of poison.
 

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Is it possible that she just naturally repels them? She rolls in the dirt like crazy, funny really, and she has a favorite spot she rolls in, an ant pile! She goes bananas when rolling in the ant pile, kinda orgasmic (?!?!).
do u have chrysanthemum flowers in ur yard? This flower is a natural flea/tick repellant and if you go organic when treating ur pets, they sell chrysanthemum concentrate based shampoos and other products as well :)

One place u can get it cheap and fast is www.petedge.com -they used to be only open to vets and groomers but now open to public. when i say awesoem product at awesome price, ......well, just check the site......:toast:

Theres a chance ur cat likes to chill in ur flowers and it may be saving him/her from a summer of misery! Other things, like putting garlic in ur pets food, if theyll eat it, will also repel the bugs. Brewers yeast works well on some too, but not consistant enough results to recommend to everyone.
 

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I have had excellent results using Raid Flea Killer Plus Carpet and room spray(purple can).:D I have two cats and a mommy with babies I've brought inside. And I just spray this on the floors, carpets, cat bedding etc... Then vacuum it after it dries up. Been working good for three years now and no problems with the cats. Very happy with this product but I figure a super flea will come around sooner or later and.......:p:(

I'm going to have to try this...I have an indoor kitty and still managed to get fleas in my house - I've bombed twice and tried the borax in the carpet thing...I vacuum before and after work (take the bag out etc) and can't get rid of them :unsure:
 

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I have a question re: fleas and ticks that maybe someone can help with. Well, I don't need help, there aren't any fleas or ticks and I'm baffled. I live in a very rural area, deer, raccoons, fox etc. I have a cat that can go in and out as she pleases. I've had her 14 months now and she has never had a flea or tick. This is just weird. She isn't on anything, no meds. People all over the county have problems but not me.

There aren't any other dogs or cats in the immediate vicinity, none that she's around anyway. I just don't get it.

I would have to believe that this is possible -only because I am one of those PEOPLE that seems to have a natural resistance to the things (these and mosquitoes) I've somehow managed to get fleas in my house (even with an indoor cat) I never see them...they are on my cat but I don't have a single bite...
 

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I started looking into this and found some useful info, so I'll share.

Basically, the consensus of everything I read (which was a lot) was that the ONLY topical flea drops that are considered RELATIVELY safe and not implicated or suspected of causing A LOT of serious problems is Revolution brand (made by Pfizer), which also has the bonus of preventing heartworms and other parasites.

But, in general, drops are NOT advisable. Oral medications are MUCH safer, as they are not outright neurotoxic POISON (like most drops) and they are regulated by the FDA (go figure) instead of the EPA. (which is the regulatory agency for all the drops, EXCEPT Revolution, which is regulated by the FDA)

This is a MUST READ article:
The EPA's finger wag at the topical pet insecticide industry (is this the pet food recall, revisited? | PetMD

...And there is also a lot of good info in the many comments to that article. Also, some considerable talk about how most "natural" treatments are either not safe or are ineffective. I didn't read all the comments, but two MUST READ links that I pulled from the comments are these, which list the products that were censored out of the EPA's website:

http://www.biospotvictims.org/EPAAdvisory-IncreasedScrutinyList2.pdf

EPA to investigate Pet Flea and Tick Treatments

I'll go ahead and post the list of products contained in those links for those that don't want/bother to click the links: (or if they ever disappear)

EPA said:
According to the EPA the following pet flea treatment products represent about 80% of the reported adverse reactions.

Promeris Spot On for Dogs
Promeris for Dogs

Frontline Plus for Dogs

Frontline Plus for Cats

RF2004(CCSO)
Zodiac Spot On Flea & Tick Control for Cats 5 lbs and over
Zodiac Spot On Flea & Tick Control for Cats & Kittens Under 5 lbs
Farnam Companies Inc. Bio Spot, Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Cats & Kittens Under 5lbs
Farnam Companies Inc. Adams Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Cats 5lbs & Over
Farnam Companies Inc. Bio Spot, Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Cats 5lbs & Over
The Hartz Mountain Group Hartz Ultraguard Plus Drops for Cats
The Hartz Mountain Group Hartz Incontrol Flea & Tick Drops for Cats
The Hartz Mountain Group Hartz Ultraguard Pro Flea & Tick Drops for Cats
The Hartz Mountain Group Hartz Incontrol Advanced Flea & Tick Control for Cats 5lbs & Over
The Hartz Mountain Group Hartz Incontrol Advanced Flea & Tick Control for Cats

RF9908 Spot On
Zodiac Groomers’ Spot On Pack
Zodiac Spot On Flea & Tick Control for Small Dogs 16–30 lbs
Zodiac Spot On Flea & Tick Control for Medium Dogs 31-60 lbs
Zodiac Spot On Flea & Tick Control for Large Dogs Over 60 lbs
Zodiac Spot On Flea & Tick Control for Puppies, Toys & Miniatures under 15 lbs
Farnam Companies Inc. Bio Spot Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Dogs
Farnam Companies Inc. Companies Inc. Bio Spot Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Dogs (16 to 30 lbs)
Farnam Companies Inc. Companies Inc. Bio Spot Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Dogs (31 to 60 lbs)
Farnam Companies Inc. Companies Inc. Bio Spot Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Dogs (over 60 lbs)
Farnam Companies Inc. Adams Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Small Dogs 16-30 lbs.
Farnam Companies Inc. Adams Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Medium Dogs 31-60 lbs.
Farnam Companies Inc. Adams Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Large Dogs Over 60 lbs.
Farnam Companies Inc. Adams Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Puppies, Toys, & Miniatures Under 15 lbs
Farnam Companies Inc. Bio Spot Spot on Flea & Tick Control for Puppies Under 15 lbs

Sergeant’s Cyphenothrin Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sergeant’s Silver Flea and Tick Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sentry XFC Flea and Tick Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sentry XFC Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sergeant’s Silver Squeeze-on for Dogs

Sergeant’s Cyphenothrin + IGR Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sergeant’s Gold Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sergeant’s Gold Flea and Tick Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sentrypro XFC Flea and Tick Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sentrypro XFC Squeeze-on for Dogs
Sentrypro XFC Flea and Tick Squeeze-on for Dogs Extreme Flea Control
Tradewinds Triforce Canine Squeeze-On
Tradewinds Triforce Canine Squeeze-On for Dogs 9 lbs to 20 lbs.
Tradewinds Triforce Canine Squeeze-On for Dogs 21 lbs to 39 lbs.
Tradewinds Triforce Canine Squeeze-On for Dogs 40 lbs to 60 lbs
Tradewinds Triforce Canine Squeeze-On for Dogs 60 lbs. or larger.

For further information visit: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/health/flea-tick-control.html
 
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Plain good ole Dawn dishwashing soap baths will kill fleas and larvae on the spot...leave on good n soapy for 8-10 minutes, then rinse and dry. This wont prevent more infestation, but will kill whats on the pet while you bomb ur place/yard. The worst is the strays and wilds that will bring them into ur yard....a good sevens dust layer on the yard will help prevent them for a few months as well.

If ur gonna go chemical, hands down, ADAMS brand is the best (spray and dip only, dont use the spot drips)...contains pyrethryns tho.
 

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Good stuff. Thank you.

If I do use protection its from my vet and its Frontline. I've never used over the counter stuff from the pet store. Also, I would only use it if they get fleas. IMHO, I don't want to expose my dogs to those chemicals unless its absolutely necessary. (I know people that put it on their dogs because its the season for fleas.)

Thats good to know voltaire. Next time I need flea stuff I will insist on an oral med. And again, if necessary. Some of the natural stuff mentioned is good too. (Think I might grow some chrysanthemum flowers and I do use brewers yeast.)

When my dog died of cancer I found so, so many cases of cancer in dogs. I think there is a real link there to stuff like this. IDK, thats just my opinion though.
 
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