Prototype e smoking device.. comments please..

[trog100]

what's the MAH of these bad-boys? are you using a detachable rechargeable lithium poly or ion?

it uses a simple off the shelf 900 mah lithium-ion rechargeable battery similar to what comes in an e pipe.. dc..

the batteries are the weak spot with the 901 darcy.. pressing the manual switch takes bit of getting used to ( i keep forgetting) but it does help the vapour and it should remove another e-cig unreliability factor..

basically battery cost will be saved (no need to keep replacing them) and it should run the biggest part of a day depending on use..

as u say the 901 atomizers work well but it could be built around any to be honest.. an adapter to swap from one to the other could be offered.. the basic device will remain the same..

trog

 

[Nazareth]

make one that will fit Loongtotem cartridges and you'll have an excellent device sir

 

[trog100]

make one that will fit Loongtotem cartridges and you'll have an excellent device sir

send me an atomizer and a dead battery and i will dude.. i aint gonns buy one thow to get the pattern.. he he

but it would solve the silly loong totem battery problem wouldnt it.. at present we are butchering 901 batteries cos we cant be arsed to make the little screw connections from scratch..

send me a dead battery and an a couple of cart/atomizers and i will make one up to fit the carts.. but at the moment loong totem batteries come too expensive to rob for parts..

trog

 

[dc2k08]

sorry for the previous query which you had already addressed trog, in my excitement i didnt read that you had already clarified which battery your "screw-driver" ran on. so if it runs on the same battery as an e-pipe (i have never owned one), can i easily buy a replacement batt and when it runs dry, pop it in and bob's your uncle, im still in business?

 

[trog100]

it will possibly come with these and a charger.. if required..

DealExtreme: $4.90 TrustFire Protected 3.6V 880mAh 16340/CR123A Batteries (2-Pack)

a full kit could be..

2 batteries..

2 (chinese) chargers.. he he

2 atomizers..

a few carts and an 8 ml topping up bottle of liquid..

or just on its own.. at first it will be only small scale stuff.. if the demand is there we might take it bigger.. but at the moment the plans are small.. we will make them as wanted..

call it a cottage industry.. he he

trog

 

[karenwest1961]

Are you taking donations of parts for the cause?

 

[dc2k08]

Trog, how difficult do you find it to create a battery that will accomodate any atomizer? your's fit the 901 and the pen-style now which i find remarkable but is it only a matter of time before its a "skeleton screw-driver" ? or do you need to seriously take into account the threads on each device? still not getting how it can take both atomizers though, guess, i have to wait to see eh? you take paypal?

 

[trog100]

the main body is governed by the type of battery used dc.. the shiny atomiser in the one in the picture is simply a normal 901 with paint taken of.. for whatever reason all atomizer/battery combination on the market have different threads where the battery and atomizer connect up..

the part of the "screwdriver" that takes the atomizer has to have the correct size hole and the correct thread in it to match whatever atomizer is chosen to fit it..

we like the 901.. we also consider atomizers to be disposable items irrespective of what the makers claim.. the 901 can be obtained for around ten dollars or so from places like heaven gift.. this applies to all good quality generic atomizers..

long totem have taken up the disposable atomizer principle but the over priced disposable battery (my words not theirs) which is needed to go with their disposable atomizer/carts kind of messes up the concept as naz well knows..

atomizer choice.. the 901.. it has a reasonable sized cart and could be used without dripping.. it holds half an ml of liquid roughly.. a top up very 45 minutes or so keeps it going nicely..

super minis could be used.. but the cart just dont hold enough liquid for sustained vapour production.. they are too fiddly to keep topping up..

the classic or penstyle type atomizers would look nice in the "screwdriver".. the curved shape fits it better with no parallel lines and it blends in better..not quite so screwdriver like but we think it needs direct atomizer dripping which isnt as easy as topping up the 901 cart..

to produce decent consistant vapour two things are needed.. a good battery that has a decent run time between charges and dosnt suffer a voltage drop when the atomizer is heated.. and plenty of liquid fed to the atomizer.. so far the only way we have found to do this is direct dripping into the atomizer (penstyle/classic) or with the 901 dripping into the carts themselves and keeping them wet and topped up..

good vapour means lots of liquid consumed.. using a cart in a normal way just dosnt work well enough if a good quanity of vapour is required all the time.. a half empty cart dosnt feed the atomizer as much liquid as full one does.. chucking a half empty one away costs too much..

some parts are hard to machine.. the little atomizer connect up threads being one of them.. dead batteries will be gratefully accepted kate and postage paid for.. he he he

i do have a paypal account.. but as yet have nothing to sell.. to make these things nice to use a good reliable light action push to make switch is needed..

the prototype has a modded one.. taking these little things apart is a pain.. we dont have little chinese hands.. he he he

at first this i gonna have to be a small made to request item.. the first ones will use 16340 pipe style batteries and 901 atomizers.. tested shiny stainless atomizers can be supplied with device.. but normal coloured ones can be used..

shiny ones with black cart do look nicer thow.. he he

trog

 

[Brian S]

i do have a paypal account.. but as yet have nothing to sell.. to make these things nice to use a good reliable light action push to make switch is needed..


trog

Thought about using the Janty manual switch?

Brian

 

[ted26]

Looks good to me and gets rid of the battery problem.

Cant wait to see someone tooting a silver screwdriver in the street

 

[Kit]

well thats the power issues sorted out trog..Now how about putting your skills to designing a bigger and better atomizer.

 

[ted26]

well thats the power issues sorted out trog..Now how about putting your skills to designing a bigger and better atomizer.

Either that or an adaptor that will mean you can connect anything

 

[trog100]

its beyond my skills kit.. some things i can do some things i cant.. building a better atomizer is one i cant..

the bottom line is this has to be done in a cost effective manner.. if i had many thousands of pounds to invest in huge plant it could all be done.. being as i havnt only so much can be done.. he he

it would be easy to make a device that took any atomizer thrown at it.. it just requires a changeable module.. the prototype one is changeable but uses a soldered wire connection.. making it user changeable would just add to the time it takes to make the things.. it could be done thow..

the other problem we have at the moment is we dont have enough battery types to rob the little threaded pieces from.. again on a larger scale these would be made from scratch.. but on the scale we are operating on its easier to kill a battery and rob the needed parts from it..

trog

ps.. just to add i have been using the unit for a day and a half now.. its working nicely and the battery run time is good.. about three time what 901 would give.. i never run them flat and changed the last one after six hours use..

the batteries should last for couple of months at least.. probably longer i dont know..

trog

 

[Kit]

Trog how many days do you thing the power of the screw will last for?

 

[trog100]

Trog how many days do you thing the power of the screw will last for?

do u mean run time between charges kit.. or how long it will be before the battery needs throwing away and reaches the end of its life cycle..

in theory its twice the size of a cigar battery so it should have twice the run time.. roughly.. its life cycle time should be longer because it isnt working so hard..

a ruyan cigar battery is rated at 350 mah.. the screwdriver one is rated at 880 mah.. the voltage is 4.2 when fresh off the charger..

we could make a longer one and use 2500 mah battery.. it comes down to the size of the device.. which is governed by the capacity of the battery..

take yer pick.. he he he

trog

ps.. the ruyan is the little chappy on the left.. the screwdriver uses the purple one..

 

[Kit]

sorry i was talking about how long it would last before another charge..wow awesome stuff the bigger the battery the better.. not bothered about looks..the metal finishes looks great i love it..you can but me down for one dude.

 

[jigtg]

Why not just use ruyan throwaway e-cigar as casing? These should fit at least 14500 batteries. I'm hoping they would have suitable atomizer at least. Or just the ceramic casing. One thing I love about these is that they look fairly real so maybe I could finally smoke in public with no fear of people staring.. The downside of course is that it still is a cigar and the things associated with puffing a large cigar are still there.

 

[smoking gnu]

Yes yes very nice you should call it the iron lung.

 

[trog100]

Why not just use ruyan throwaway e-cigar as casing? These should fit at least 14500 batteries. I'm hoping they would have suitable atomizer at least. Or just the ceramic casing. One thing I love about these is that they look fairly real so maybe I could finally smoke in public with no fear of people staring.. The downside of course is that it still is a cigar and the things associated with puffing a large cigar are still there.

its too small.. but does beg the question of why someone (like ruyan) didnt make a cigar that does take a sensible size AA battery in the first place.. it would simply be a slightly fatter cigar with a decent run time.. but there really isnt anything sensible about these things when looked at closely..

we have toyed with lots of ideas.. even converting a pipe to take 901 (or loong totem) atomizers.. my son tells me nobody wants to look like sherlock holmes thow..

trog

ps.. i didnt see the throw away bit.. i was referring to the none throw away cigar.. but our basic concept is fairly simple.. the main part dosnt wear out.. and as a point of principle it doesnt look like a tobacco product..

 

[ApOsTle51]

nothing really needs testing but we are having a few problems sourcing a decent push to make momentary switch..

You tried RS Spares for push to make switches.

I used to work in an engineering background and we used to get most of our microswitches from RS.
Bear in mind our use for them would be 300 or so activasions per minute for 12 hours a day, and they would last for months.

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=browseSuperSection&Ne=4294957561+4294965430&N=4294963949#Switches