Provari - A review for noobs by a noob

[The Ocelot]

1) I hate the fact that in Europe the authorized ProVape distributors charge you 200+ euros (shipping not included) for a provari. This is the cheapest, there are local vendors (from my home country) that sell a provari mini for 215 euros! That's a good 100+$ more than it costs in USA.

2) Wouldn't one get same results from very good mechanical mod (like the Nemesis - 130 eur) and a Kick 2 (40 eur)?

(Not that I am not very content with my eVic 3) Evic, but I will not buy anything from a company that has a price fixing policy, I'd rather support small enterprises that produce quality stuff)

I didn't blame Provape, I blame their authorized distributors, big difference there.

You can get a Nemesis (produced in EU) from US with 134 EUR, while it costs 130 EUR in Europe. Odd, isn't it?

Let's not blame the prices on shipping.

Am I the only one who took both of phorumph's posts differently?

1) The authorized distributors of ProVape products are jacking up the prices.
2) He can't get a ProVari, would a good mechanical mod and a Kick do the same thing? Come on kids, he hasn't experienced a ProVari.
3) "Not that I am not very content with my eVic" he is okay with his eVic, "but I will not buy anything from a company that has a price fixing policy" I think he is referring to to joyetech.

Was I even close to what you were trying to say phorumph? I might be completely wrong, but in that case it's due to insomnia.

ETA: Ding! Ding! Ding! A cookie for The Ocelot!!!!

ETAA: He said that you can get a European-produced Nemesis is the US for only a few Euros/Dollars/pick a currency more than what it sells for in Europe.

 

[The Ocelot]

Sorry, English is not my native language, but what I am trying to say is the following:

1. About the price fixing: Evic it's made by Joyetech who will ban any seller that will sell their product cheaper than a price they set aka a fixed price (that's what I meant about price fixing, apparently that has another meaning altogether, sorry for that).

2. About ProVape. They have nothing to do with it. Let's say if I have a company, and contact them that I want to sell their product in another country. I will tell them that I want to buy 50 pieces and they will make me a distributor offer (lower than the end user price). Then, when I get the stuff (automatically now I become an authorized distributor or reseller or whatever you want to call it), I will my expenses to the producer price, then a commission for myself. Obviously the commission EU resellers add to the Provari is huge.

I don't see where I am not consistent. I don't see where I said ProVape fixes prices also. Don't know why you guys get all defensive when Provari is mentioned Relax

No, you were correct. Joyetech is price fixing - setting a price retailers must sell their products for or they won't receive any to sell.

ETA: I will have a talk with them about their manners. But we must be patient, they are grumpy old men.

 

[phorumph]

Am I the only one who took both of phorumph's posts differently?

1) The authorized distributors of ProVape products are jacking up the prices.
2) He can't get a ProVari, would a good mechanical mod and a Kick do the same thing? Come on kids, he hasn't experienced a ProVari.
3) "Not that I am not very content with my eVic" he is okay with his eVic, "but I will not buy anything from a company that has a price fixing policy" I think he is referring to to Joyetech.

Was I even close to what you were trying to say phorumph? I might be completely wrong, but in that case it's due to insomnia.

ETA: Ding! Ding! Ding! A cookie for The Ocelot!!!!

Yea, that's exactly what I tried to say, as I tried to explain again in my post above

I was trying to determine if, when my Evic will break, I should over over pay for the provari or get a mech and kick (since the fact that I will not be buying Joyetech products is already established). I don't have experience with any of the two options.

Apparently this is a very sensitive subject around here

 

[The Ocelot]

Yea, that's exactly what I tried to say, as I tried to explain again in my post above

All I know about Cyprus is it's over there somewhere, by a very blue sea and it's not Greece.

May I have my cookie now?

 

[Baditude]

UK E-Cig Store has Provari's for £175. Also states Ex Tax: £145.83. I'm not familiar what that means.

ProVari

 

[The Ocelot]

UK E-Cig Store has Provari's for £175. Also states Ex Tax: £145.83. I'm not familiar what that means.

ProVari

That's like a luxury tax. People who live there have to pay it, but if I bought it there and brought it back to the US I wouldn't have to pay it (which mean I would pay 145.83 GBP). When I lived in the UK it was called VAT "Value Added Tax."

ETA: At least that's what I think it is. I just checked, same old story, just a new name and it costs more.

ETAA: Remarkably, I am at present trying to clear up a problem in London and 175 GBP is roughly $284 USD

 

[retired1]

Excluding tax. In other words, taxes on that comes to 30 quid.

 

[The Ocelot]

I stand ready to talk about my manners.

I think it's unbecoming to to be harsh to someone when you misunderstood his post. It was bloody obvious by the syntax English isn't his first language, but he did far better than you would trying to post in Greek or Turkish.

A simple I'm sorry I misunderstood your post doesn't mean you are giving up your position.

 

[suspectK]

If I had photoshop talent, I would post a picture of a bunch of kitties on a ship in pirate costumes.

*imagination attachment*

 

[EddardinWinter]

No, you were correct. Joyetech is price fixing - setting a price retailers must sell their products for or they won't receive any to sell.

ETA: I will have a talk with them about their manners. But we must be patient, they are grumpy old men.

What JoyeTech is doing is not price fixing, dear, at least not in a legal sense.

Price Fixing legal definition of Price Fixing. Price Fixing synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

The agreement to inhibit price competition by raising, depressing, fixing, or stabilizing prices is the most serious example of a per se violation under the Sherman Act. Under the act, it is immaterial whether the fixed prices are set at a maximum price, a minimum price, the actual cost, or the fair market price. It is also immaterial under the law whether the fixed price is reasonable.

All horizontal and vertical price-fixing agreements are illegal per se. Horizontal price-fixing agreements include agreements among sellers to establish maximum or minimum prices on certain goods or services. This can also include competitors' changing their prices simultaneously in some circumstances. Also significant is the fact that horizontal price-fixing agreements may be direct or indirect and still be illegal. Thus, a promotion or discount that is tied closely to price cannot be raised, depressed, fixed, or stabilized, without a Sherman Act violation. Vertical price-fixing agreements include situations where a wholesaler mandates the minimum or maximum price at which retailers may sell certain products.

 

[Ref Minor]

Yea, that's exactly what I tried to say, as I tried to explain again in my post above

I was trying to determine if, when my Evic will break, I should over over pay for the provari or get a mech and kick (since the fact that I will not be buying Joyetech products is already established). I don't have experience with any of the two options.

Apparently this is a very sensitive subject around here

I went with the Russian designed, German built, Svoe Mesto Semovar from the makers of the Kayfun atty. VV/VW, built like a Panzer and about the same price as a Provari in the EU.

 

[KnurledNut]

If I had photoshop talent, I would post a picture of a bunch of kitties on a ship in pirate costumes.

*imagination attachment*

 

[The Ocelot]

I stand ready to talk about my manners.

I am younger than you, petite predator.

It shows my little cub.

By the way, I just bought another ProVari, so I think I'm the one that should be considered a fanboi.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I think it's unbecoming to to be harsh to someone when you misunderstood his post. It was bloody obvious by the syntax English isn't his first language, but he did far better than you would trying to post in Greek or Turkish.

A simple I'm sorry I misunderstood your post doesn't mean you are giving up your position.

Yep, and I would have simply acknowledged that, had he not thrown in his crappy extraneous swipes at the end of two posts.

EDIT: IF I had posted in another language and did so in a way that was confusing to others. I would apologize and leave out the BS closing commentary. Your hypothetical "if you had posted in Turkish" is certainly a straw man, and you know it.

 

[The Ocelot]

Yep, and I would have simply acknowledged that, had he not thrown in his crappy extraneous swipes at the end of two posts.

That's where grace comes in.

 

[Ref Minor]

What JoyeTech is doing is not price fixing, dear, at least not in a legal sense.

Price Fixing legal definition of Price Fixing. Price Fixing synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

EiW is correct, if people don't like Joye prices then they can buy another product. It's like iPhones are the same price everywhere, but the competition is not between an iPhone from store A or from store B but between eg. An iPhone and a Samsung.

Now if Apple and Samsung agreed to sell their flagship product at the same price, then that would be price fixing.

My job is as a buyer for an large corporation and we have to do annual competition law courses and tests.

 

[The Ocelot]

If I had photoshop talent, I would post a picture of a bunch of kitties on a ship in pirate costumes.

*imagination attachment*

I only have the one

 

[EddardinWinter]

That's where grace comes in.

Well, I have NEVER been accused of grace. So I suppose you have me there.

 

[retired1]

We will not resort to the usual behavior that results in thread closures. The tactic is getting old and if you can't take the high road, stay out of the thread.

 

[phorumph]

Wow, I didn't know that "defensive" and "sensitive" can be labeled as insults. These terms are used frequently in the corporate I work for (no native English speakers, but English was chosen as a company language to be easier to communicate between the 3 countries in which we have centers). If they were not politically correct I am sure the ethics people would have mentioned something.

In any case, I would like to apologize, and if requested, I will remove them from my posts.