ProVari and the Dreaded (potential) "VapeApocolypse"

[muriarte]

Speaking of the vapocalypse, my aw18350 charger up & died 3 weeks ago. I'm getting by with an ego, but not pleased about it.
I've checked everywhere I could not find 18350 chargers in stock. Any leads would be profoundly appreciated.

Amazon.com: Sysmax Intellicharge I4 V2 Universal 4 Channel Li-Ion Ni-Cd Ni-MH Smart Charger: Everything Else

With this one you can charge any battery, except lifepo. Very good one to have.

 

[flintlock62]

The xtar WP2 II is the best charger for the money. If you want the best charger, get a Pila. Amazon, or ebay.

Speaking of the vapocalypse, my aw18350 charger up & died 3 weeks ago. I'm getting by with an ego, but not pleased about it.
I've checked everywhere I could not find 18350 chargers in stock. Any leads would be profoundly appreciated.

 

[fropit]

think of all the money our government makes off of the taxes from analogs.this is what it comes down to how much money can government
make off of e-cigs, if they can tax e-cigs then it'll all be good if not the apocolypse is sure to happen.remember the cigarette companies are
huge cash cows for the government and in no way do they want that to go away.

 

[Kemosabe]

Speaking of the vapocalypse, my aw18350 charger up & died 3 weeks ago. I'm getting by with an ego, but not pleased about it.
I've checked everywhere I could not find 18350 chargers in stock. Any leads would be profoundly appreciated.

my tenergy charger from provape charges my 18350s. it also charges my 18490s and 14500 ftr.

 

[Baditude]

In a similarly themed thread to this one in the new members forum, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/393552-should-we-stocking-up-just-case-17.html, I have been urging all ECF members who are not yet a member of CASAA to join.

Organizations such as CASAA use membership numbers to show their strength of who they represent. Pumping up the membership can only help our cause. It's free and only takes one minute.

Become a CASAA Member


Next month the FDA will be holding hearings on what to do with the e-cigarette industry. Below is a call to arms to notify us of what is at stake:

The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes

"In theory, anything that wasn't on the market prior to 2007 could be banned until it was approved for sale by the FDA, unless it could prove that it is “substantially equivalent” to a “grandfathered” product that was being sold. Because electronic cigarette designs have changed and improved so dramatically since 2007 and many weren't even on the market in the U.S. prior to 2007, this regulation could deny consumers access to hundreds of existing products (leaving them access only to products on the market prior to February 2007) and put many electronic cigarette companies out of business." - CASAA

If you're not already a member. JOIN!

 

[GregoTX]

Speaking of the vapocalypse, my aw18350 charger up & died 3 weeks ago. I'm getting by with an ego, but not pleased about it.
I've checked everywhere I could not find 18350 chargers in stock. Any leads would be profoundly appreciated.

The TrustFire chargers work with most "big mod" batteries and will work with your 18350. Those are available fairly widely. DFW Vapor is one vendor I know for a fact has them because I just got one recently.

 

[flintlock62]

Unfortunately, our current leaders aren't as intelligent as our forefathers. This is sad, but true. Blind leadership at its finest.

In a similarly themed thread to this one in the new members forum, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...93552-should-we-stocking-up-just-case-17.html, I have been urging all ECF members who are not yet a member of CASAA to join.

Organizations such as CASAA use membership numbers to show their strength of who they represent. Pumping up the membership can only help our cause. It's free and only takes one minute. Become a CASAA Member

The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes

"In theory, anything that wasn't on the market prior to 2007 could be banned until it was approved for sale by the FDA, unless it could prove that it is “substantially equivalent” to a “grandfathered” product that was being sold. Because electronic cigarette designs have changed and improved so dramatically since 2007 and many weren't even on the market in the U.S. prior to 2007, this regulation could deny consumers access to hundreds of existing products (leaving them access only to products on the market prior to February 2007) and put many electronic cigarette companies out of business." - CASAA

 

[Kemosabe]

good call Bad. i just signed up. youre right its incredibly easy. im not normally a "sign up for stuff" kinda guy, but when it comes to vaping, a whole new set of rules must be employed. so if anyone out there is like me and skeptical of joining email newsletters, rest assured that this is indeed a very simple and non-intrusive way of supporting our community.

In a similarly themed thread to this one in the new members forum, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/393552-should-we-stocking-up-just-case-17.html, I have been urging all ECF members who are not yet a member of CASAA to join.

Organizations such as CASAA use membership numbers to show their strength of who they represent. Pumping up the membership can only help our cause. It's free and only takes one minute.

Become a CASAA Member


Next month the FDA will be holding hearings on what to do with the e-cigarette industry. Below is a call to arms to notify us of what is at stake:

The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes

"In theory, anything that wasn't on the market prior to 2007 could be banned until it was approved for sale by the FDA, unless it could prove that it is “substantially equivalent” to a “grandfathered” product that was being sold. Because electronic cigarette designs have changed and improved so dramatically since 2007 and many weren't even on the market in the U.S. prior to 2007, this regulation could deny consumers access to hundreds of existing products (leaving them access only to products on the market prior to February 2007) and put many electronic cigarette companies out of business." - CASAA

If you're not already a member. JOIN!

 

[Baditude]

In case no one has noticed, there is a CASAA call to action for a proposed ban of e-cigs in California heading the top of ECF.. Wake up, people!

 

[Soundhunter]

I thought I would use this thread to get on my soap box for a minute.. First, BAD is absolutely right.. everyone of us who enjoys vaping should join CASAA - I did a while ago and get regular email updates.. there is a lot of good information to keep you updated on the latest information.

This post by Bill Godshall (who is the Man by the way!!) says it all as far as I am concerned and is the basis for my "theory" on the future of vaping.

Mike also posted this excellent commentary exposing tobacco industry analyst Dave Adelman's recent report stating that the huge increase in e-cigarettes sales and use by smokers as a key factor causing a 4.5% cigarette consumption decline so far in 2013.
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/...#disqus_thread

I am a business man.. I work for a Global company and have side businesses I run as well... (by the way, I don't care what you do, whether you go to school, are an employee, a stay at home mom or dad.. we are all Business men and women in one form or another.. the "new" corporation is the individual.. be it consumer or provider)..your dollars are what counts and that is the issue..period. Most all of us have had Economics teachers or Business Profs in our educational background at some point..when you boil down all the things (some times crap) that they taught us..where do we end up?..simple.. FOLLOW THE MONEY!

When a multi-billion dollar global industry allows a public statement like the one above..that tells me something. Let me attempt to think like the global CEO for such a company for a minute. I am losing 4.5% market share and I am just in the 1st quarter.. If I am worth my salt at all.. I have anticipated this trend because there were indicators long before that were telling me where the market was going. My Stockholders are expecting a certain percentage of ROI right? So.. now I have a choice, I can use my bully pulpit and lobbyist network to eliminate that 4.5 percent of the market..but there are cost in doing that..Real capital spent in the effort and political capital expended on the hill (don't underestimate that..it can be more valuable than the real dollars at times)..but here is the real deal..4.5% is a HUGE number when you are talking these kinds of figures.. if you eliminate it..and lets say in general 2% of that market come back to you because of the nature of addiction..you still lose two percent market share and spent significant resources doing it.. I dont know of very many CEOs that think that way.. Remember, when the **** hits the fan.. the biggest investments in personnel are likely the 1st to go.. i.e..the CEO and Senior Management Staff.

But.. what if you can become a quote "innovator"? What if you..the whole time have been preparing to acquire instead of destroy this market share? What if you see a trend that tells you that there is real growth in this potential market.. What if you can become "Jobs like" in media stature and a "cultural change agent"?

Here is what I potentially see coming... There will be no ban on e-cigs.. the ones that have taken place and are now in legislature will more than likely be short-lived. BT will (and I suspect that they already are) fund research that will show e-cigarette use to be a safer alternative to smoking.. E-cigarettes could be killing us all and it wouldn't matter because that's not the point..remember.. we are capturing and growing market share here.. our primary concern is not now nor has it ever been public health and safety. They will use their considerable lobby power to convince those on the hill that they have gone into this "wild west cowboy market"..cleaned it up, brought safety.. i.e regulation.. to it.. They will use a heavy and strategic marketing campaign to put out their message that they are now in control of the e-liquid content and will have the "science" and studies to back it up..of course this is two fold..gain public acceptance and attempt to mute the voice of the ATB lobby which will surely fight back.. They will be far less concerned with the hardware side of the market and will only seek to control the connection mechanism by making it proprietary. They will next approach the best and brightest in this "wild west cowboy' industry and offer them a way to continue their enterprise but under certain "guidelines" which of course will be in complete concert with thier corporate strategy. Those (like Provape) will adapt and move forward because that is what small and medium enterprise does and they do it better than anybody,,SME crushes corporate when it comes to business acumen and the big boys know..SME is where the true innovation comes from and smart CEOs use that as a resource..they dont crush it...

End of the day.. in 2-3, maybe 5 years "vaping" will be a household word... it will be regulated and taxed..There will be more not less choices in devices to use but there will be less "uniqueness" in the e-juices you can buy... You can already see it .. I have a good relationship with one of the B&M stores in town.. I use to be able to walk in there and while there would be a wait it was never too bad except on weekends.. I walk in there now and it is 7 or 8 deep everyday.. they are constantly looking for help and opening up a second store and plans for a third.. The mall where this store is begs them to stay there because the foot traffic is so heavy..the surrounding stores love it .. the other shops are similar and not nearly as well run.. That's micro-level.. take that Macro and you got the one thing that drives the boat...Money...follow the money..

Personally, I am not hoarding devices or juice..but I am preparing for this "hobby" of mine to get a face change and preparing for it to cost me more.. Provape will be here..maybe not exactly the same but they will be here..

do i like it .. Hell no!!.. but it's coming and I best learn to deal with it now or quit vaping.. I cant hoard for the rest of my life

just rambling and putting out thoughts.. I'm probably full of it..

 

[Baditude]

Soundhunter, your link is missing it's message, "Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist."

 

[john333]

I have my provari and a couple chi chi mech mods. I think it is only a matter of time before we will not be able to purchase nicotine over the internet, weather in vendor premade liquid or as a DIY bottle. I think that because it is labeled a poison. So, I have stocked piled the last couple months and have several bottles in my freezer. I use max 4ml of liquid a day at 12.5mg. That's 1ml of nic a day. I hate to confess this but I have an 8 year supply. Did I go overboard - probably. Will it last 8 years in a freezer - don't know. Do I feel immune to what ever the FDA or USPS might do - yeah I do.

 

[rand4ll]

So with all this scare about the nic would it be possible to just buy some potent nic juice, say 100mg/ml, and add small amounts to flavored zero nic juices to make it a standard juice? For longevity would it be best to get it in pure VG or pure PG or a mix? And lastly, what is a good source for this?

I don't want to buy a full diy setup but a large bottle of nic juice I could store in the freezer for a long time wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Soundhunter]

Soundhunter, your link is missing it's message, "Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist."

Not sure what happened here Baditude.... Bill's post is the second one I believe.. when I go to it on his post I go right to it

First Paragraph..

see this post - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-cigarettes-could-public-health-disaster.html

 

[Kemosabe]

So with all this scare about the nic would it be possible to just buy some potent nic juice, say 100mg/ml, and add small amounts to flavored zero nic juices to make it a standard juice? For longevity would it be best to get it in pure VG or pure PG or a mix? And lastly, what is a good source for this?

I don't want to buy a full diy setup but a large bottle of nic juice I could store in the freezer for a long time wouldn't be a problem.

to me, it wouldnt taste right. but you might not mind it, especially if you ar ea low mg vaper. i like 18-24mg/ml and if you had 100mg/ml nic, youd need almost a quarter of a ml of it per ml of no-nic. thats almost a 25/75 ratio of unflavored to flavored which is fairly large. but if you ar eonly say a 6-12mg vaper, you might not notice it especially if the flavor is a strong one.
if you do go down this road, dont be surprised if you decide to delve further into DIY. i started DIY simply by ordering some vanilla and caramel flavoring to spruce up one of my vendor-made tobacco e-juices. bit by bit i accumulated an entire DIY setup. each component is so cheap, i just kept tacking them in as i saw fit. befor ei kne wit i was mixing my own juice. im not confident i will ever become as good as my favorite vendor. but for a nice quick cheap mix, i can totally satisfy myself. its fun too.

 

[rand4ll]

to me, it wouldnt taste right. but you might not mind it, especially if you ar ea low mg vaper. i like 18-24mg/ml and if you had 100mg/ml nic, youd need almost a quarter of a ml of it per ml of no-nic. thats almost a 25/75 ratio of unflavored to flavored which is fairly large. but if you ar eonly say a 6-12mg vaper, you might not notice it especially if the flavor is a strong one.
if you do go down this road, dont be surprised if you decide to delve further into DIY. i started DIY simply by ordering some vanilla and caramel flavoring to spruce up one of my vendor-made tobacco e-juices. bit by bit i accumulated an entire DIY setup. each component is so cheap, i just kept tacking them in as i saw fit. befor ei kne wit i was mixing my own juice. im not confident i will ever become as good as my favorite vendor. but for a nice quick cheap mix, i can totally satisfy myself. its fun too.

I do 12 now and could easily do 10 just fine. So only 10% would be unflavored in that case and while it is not optimal its better than nothing/going back to smoking