Provari Mini

[Str8V8ping]

Hey guys, loving the mini so far! Just wanted to report that the 18350 battery lasted me a lot longer than I thought it would. Probably from about 6PM to 3AM, give or take. I'm really excited about that.. Tomorrow will tell me how long a typical day will last me (at work then home) - I'm really hoping it will last me all day, but I have a feeling I will have to swap for a charged battery, at least when I'm home.
With that said, I had a question about the battery levels. When the 350 comes off the charger, my provari says it's at about 4.0-4.1 volts. SHould it be at 4.2v? Maybe I should get a Pila charger.
Also, the provari light started flashing when the battery was at about 3.6v. Now my question is.. what should the check battery indicator say when it's about dead? I'm curious to know where I'm at when using the check battery function.
I understand the site says (for the 18350 battery) nominal working voltage 3.7v and peak voltage 4.2v. Does this mean that it should be 4.2v off the charger and to swap batteries at 3.7v? Or can the battery go lower than that? I feel like I could've gotten more juice out of the battery when the light started flashing at 3.6v.

Just trying to figure out my battery level when using the check battery function. Almost wish it was a percentage, but no biggie.

One more thing is in regards to the auto-shutoff when taking a drag. Sometimes it shuts off much quicker than other times, like it's not completely consistent. How does that work? I thought it was a 16 second shutoff, but it seems like the longest I can hold it down for is about 5-6 seconds, maybe 7. Once in a while it shuts off after just a second or two, but that's not really as common. That's the only thing that bugs me.. but it's definitely not a huge deal, when the quick shutoff happens I can usually just press it again for a longer drag.

Other than that, still absolutely in love with this thing!

So I'd love to know about the check battery function and what is "almost dead" and what is "full" and to get some light shed on this automatic shutoff.

Thanks!

Cheaper chargers usually pull off at 4.1ish . The Pila cuts it off at 4.2v exactly everytime. Its also fully cuts off unlike some chargers .Pila is the only charger id trust to leave the batt in overnight .Pila is the best you can get and safest at that unless you start going into expensive hobby chargers.Iv been using Pilas well before ecigs and will always use them

 

[subver]

Out of the box it charged in probably 45 minutes I'm guessing? I wasn't really timing.
When it was at 3.6v it took maybe 1.5-2 hours to charge? Pretty rough estimates, though, it actually may have been less. I'll have to really time it tomorrow.
The weird thing is, it wasn't done charging and I had to go to the grocery store, so I took it off the charger. When I got back I put it back on the charger, and the light was green! This is the battery that charged to 4.0v... that was a bit strange, too.

I think I might get the Pila charger, at least eventually.

 

[subver]

Well that answers my battery questions, anyone know anything more about the automatic cutoff? I really wouldn't mind if it stayed on a bit longer! Does it have anything to do with volts or temperature? It doesn't seem like it's counting seconds or anything... it stays on longer if I wait a little longer between drags, if that counts for anything.

edit: oh yeah, and tomorrow my 3ohm cartos should be here, so I'm expecting to get a little bit longer out of my batteries, that's definitely a plus! Right now I'm using the 2ohm boges, which are actually 2.2-2.3ohm

 

[Envithyx]

One thing to keep in mind on the battery check function, if you have a carto/atty on the Provari it will test the battery under load. Unscrew it and retest and you'll get a higher reading which will most likely match a multi-meter if you test the battery out of the device.

When I got to the blinky light on the 18350, under load, it read 3.3v. In the end, it's the under load voltage that you'll want to cut the battery at and the ProVari does it well. You could squeeze out more time on the battery before it goes to blinky light level 2 and refuses to fire. Even then you could pull the battery out and put it back in and apparently get a bit more time (have not tested this myself), but I don't recommend it as draining it too far down may risk killing the battery prematurely.

Oh, and from that state, the Pila charged it in just under 2hrs. I'm not sure how much under as I was checking on a 30 min intervals. So somewhere between 1.5 and 2hrs.

As for the auto-shutoff issue, maybe your button requires a very firm press. I've gotten a bit lazy on my presses a few times and it's cut out, seems more prevalent on the mini, but then again, I was tired and maybe it was just me last night.

 

[BluSwatch]

Envi - so to see what your batt is really at, take off the carto? Ok .... thanks, I hadn't been doing that.

 

[Envithyx]

Envi - so to see what your batt is really at, take off the carto? Ok .... thanks, I hadn't been doing that.

Yup, usually the load only drops it by .1 (at least for my 3.0 ohm carto), but I haven't tested all ranges yet nor did I mean to.

 

[subver]

One thing to keep in mind on the battery check function, if you have a carto/atty on the Provari it will test the battery under load. Unscrew it and retest and you'll get a higher reading which will most likely match a multi-meter if you test the battery out of the device.

When I got to the blinky light on the 18350, under load, it read 3.3v. In the end, it's the under load voltage that you'll want to cut the battery at and the ProVari does it well. You could squeeze out more time on the battery before it goes to blinky light level 2 and refuses to fire. Even then you could pull the battery out and put it back in and apparently get a bit more time (have not tested this myself), but I don't recommend it as draining it too far down may risk killing the battery prematurely.

Oh, and from that state, the Pila charged it in just under 2hrs. I'm not sure how much under as I was checking on a 30 min intervals. So somewhere between 1.5 and 2hrs.

As for the auto-shutoff issue, maybe your button requires a very firm press. I've gotten a bit lazy on my presses a few times and it's cut out, seems more prevalent on the mini, but then again, I was tired and maybe it was just me last night.

Excellent, thanks for the info! And you know what? I feel completely silly. You're right.. I wasn't pressing the button hard enough. That's what was cutting it off.
So, very awesome! The only thing that was bugging me was something that wasn't even wrong to begin with! Not really a big deal that you have to press the button a little harder, now I know

Woohoo! Love this mini so much!
Thanks everyone!

 

[blacklung]

Oh wow thanks! So this goes for all AW IMR batteries?
Weird then.. my charger isn't charging the batteries to the full 4.2v - should I leave them on the charger for a few minutes after it turns green? Maybe I'll just get the Pila charger, if that will help. I'd really love to get every last bit of juice I can out of these batteries, especially the 18350.
Thanks!

I'm just butting in to say, you don't really want them to charge to 4.20v or above. When I had a Pila it would cutoff anywhere from 4.14V to 4.18v (IIRC)

charging batteries to the full 4.2v will shorten their life, a properly working Pila will not let you do this anyway.
if your charger cuts off above 4.2v, you need a new charger.
charging all the way to 4.2V will not give you much more run time anyway.


also not a bad idea to recharge around 3.7v/3.8v...(I don't always follow this)



(ok, I've read that the new AW 2900 and 3100 can be charged past 4.2v and discharged pretty low without much/any damage, but, still not ideal if you want your batteries to last)

 

[Envithyx]

Not butting in at all blacklung... the more info shared the more we all learn and the better that shared knowledge becomes. on taking the time to add more detail.

 

[Str8V8ping]

I'm just butting in to say, you don't really want them to charge to 4.20v or above. When I had a Pila it would cutoff anywhere from 4.14V to 4.18v (IIRC)

charging batteries to the full 4.2v will shorten their life, a properly working Pila will not let you do this anyway.
if your charger cuts off above 4.2v, you need a new charger.
charging all the way to 4.2V will not give you much more run time anyway.


also not a bad idea to recharge around 3.7v/3.8v...(I don't always follow this)



(ok, I've read that the new AW 2900 and 3100 can be charged past 4.2v and discharged pretty low without much/any damage, but, still not ideal if you want your batteries to last)

I dont know what Pila charger you have but iv been using Pila chargers for like 8 years now and they always come off at 4.2 and a lot of people buy them because of it . Your right that over 4.2 is bad but the Pila charger will never put it over 4.2 . I had 5 Pilas going at once at one point and 4.2 on every one everytime. Charging your batts at 3.7-3.8 is crazy . Yoour barely using your batts then . I dont charge until 3.1v .The Provari also kicks off at 3.1 to keep the batts life strong. Taking it down to 2.7v everytime can hurt a batts life over time but not 3.1 .Iv been using li-ions way before ecigs . I even taking one IMr batt down to 2.25-2.5 dozens of times and performance and life is still like new.Not saying to do that since it wont work good below 2.7 but goes to show how little it effects the battery.

 

[CSpencer516]

Hey guys, loving the mini so far! Just wanted to report that the 18350 battery lasted me a lot longer than I thought it would. Probably from about 6PM to 3AM, give or take. I'm really excited about that.. Tomorrow will tell me how long a typical day will last me (at work then home) - I'm really hoping it will last me all day, but I have a feeling I will have to swap for a charged battery, at least when I'm home.
With that said, I had a question about the battery levels. When the 350 comes off the charger, my provari says it's at about 4.0-4.1 volts. SHould it be at 4.2v? Maybe I should get a Pila charger.
Also, the provari light started flashing when the battery was at about 3.6v. Now my question is.. what should the check battery indicator say when it's about dead? I'm curious to know where I'm at when using the check battery function.
I understand the site says (for the 18350 battery) nominal working voltage 3.7v and peak voltage 4.2v. Does this mean that it should be 4.2v off the charger and to swap batteries at 3.7v? Or can the battery go lower than that? I feel like I could've gotten more juice out of the battery when the light started flashing at 3.6v.

Just trying to figure out my battery level when using the check battery function. Almost wish it was a percentage, but no biggie.

One more thing is in regards to the auto-shutoff when taking a drag. Sometimes it shuts off much quicker than other times, like it's not completely consistent. How does that work? I thought it was a 16 second shutoff, but it seems like the longest I can hold it down for is about 5-6 seconds, maybe 7. Once in a while it shuts off after just a second or two, but that's not really as common. That's the only thing that bugs me.. but it's definitely not a huge deal, when the quick shutoff happens I can usually just press it again for a longer drag.

Other than that, still absolutely in love with this thing!

So I'd love to know about the check battery function and what is "almost dead" and what is "full" and to get some light shed on this automatic shutoff.

Thanks!

All AW IMR batteries that are on provapes site, and all the different sizes, have a peak voltage of 4.2 so yes when the light on the charger turns green, it should read 4.0-4.2V. Now, you have to be very careful with charging the batteries. If you ever get a new charger, you have to make sure that the charger doesn't over-charge the batteries. The light can be green, but the charger might turn green at say 4.5V. That's very dangerous, because over charging these batteries can damage the battery pretty bad, and can also cause leakage or malfunctions. So when you get a new charger or you just want to make sure everything is alright, make sure you check the the batteries off the chargers Voltage to make sure there isn't any over charging or short fuzes. Also if your using the charger from provape, green could mean its fully charged, and green can also mean that a battery has a short circuit, so that's something to also be aware of.

The low battery light indicator pops on when your batteries voltage is down to 3.5-3.6V

Also I never really heard of the cut off being a problem. Alot of times it's the soft button that can prevent a longer hit. It's sensitive. What I would do is to take your provari, put the led light on for the button, and really focus on pressing and holding down on the button. The button should stay lit and should provide you with a longer hit.

Are you new to the Provari's? If you are you can always PM me and I can help you out.

Hope this helps!
-Spence

 

[subver]

Thanks spence, yeah someone else mentioned that you need a harder press, so that was my fault - it doesn't cutoff, I just needed to press the button a little harder

Also... I really really want to get the GG Odysseus iAtty 2 or the Z-Atty Pro but both of them are unavailable
Really liking the idea of a tank atty... I think I can kind of taste the filler from my cartos.. nto a burning taste just.. I can taste it more than I used to I think. Would love a nice clean atty vape, but also don't want to drip.. those rebuildable tank atties look wonderful... I want one!

 

[passerbyeus]

I have a question about getting a long lasting batt on my mini I do not want to get the extender thats why I purhased the mini is to have a mini lol..., I use dual coils 1.5 at around 4.5V love them the heat and throat heat but the batt runs down fast of course, so my ? Should I go with the 1.25 dual coil at around 3.5V or go up to the 2.5 around 5.5V or would it even make a difference in the batt life? Thanks

 

[BluSwatch]

Using this thing Ohms Law Calculator the higher volt setting would draw lower amps ..... making batt last a wee bit longer, but you can play around with the #s and see what ya like.

 

[Str8V8ping]

I have a question about getting a long lasting batt on my mini I do not want to get the extender thats why I purhased the mini is to have a mini lol..., I use dual coils 1.5 at around 4.5V love them the heat and throat heat but the batt runs down fast of course, so my ? Should I go with the 1.25 dual coil at around 3.5V or go up to the 2.5 around 5.5V or would it even make a difference in the batt life? Thanks

I think the mini with extender is still shorter then the regular provari. Just guessing that the dual coils would be around the same batt life since you equally out the wattage on each.It may make a hair difference but not enough to warrant changing.

 

[subver]

Anyone know if there are any other good rebuildable atty tanks like the Z-Atty Pro or the GG Odysseus iAtty 2? I really want a very solid, good one, but both of these are unavailable and I'm terribly impatient

 

[passerbyeus]

the 2.5 at 6v or even 5.5 looks like the best best option lowers the amps with the power I like

 

[Frick]

Anyone know if there are any other good rebuildable atty tanks like the Z-Atty Pro or the GG Odysseus iAtty 2? I really want a very solid, good one, but both of these are unavailable and I'm terribly impatient

There's the Genesis Line V2: REVIEW OF THE GENESIS LINE V2 REPAIRABLE ATOMISER - YouTube

Check out the rest of Scott's channel. He's reviewed (I think) every rebuildable atty out there.

 

[echos67]

Anyone know if there are any other good rebuildable atty tanks like the Z-Atty Pro or the GG Odysseus iAtty 2? I really want a very solid, good one, but both of these are unavailable and I'm terribly impatient

You can go to COV and get on the "notify me" when it becomes available, I did this about a month ago so hopefully a run should be showing up soon as like you Im getting impatient.

 

[CSpencer516]

yea it is still shorter with the extended cap