Provari, the ax has come for you

[Oberon75]

dang, where were you when we were on page 1? You could've saved us 16 pages of bickering.

Well threads with 16 pages of bickering made me take a voluntary vacation from ECF so I didn't eventually get myself banned.

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[Oberon75]

But what if you don't go above 20 watts and don't like ugly boxes?

Any yihi tube mods yet? I know there's a few dna.

I don't see any value in Chinese guitars, my opinion doesn't make them irrelevant

That's why I say "perceived value". The ProVari is a nice device but is not worth $200 in 2015 compared to other products. The fact that it's a tube design instead of a box design shouldn't be a pricing factor. Even HANA MODZ has come to their senses that their pricing was ridiculous now.

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[Thrasher]

Well threads with 16 pages of bickering made me take a voluntary vacation from ECF so I didn't eventually get myself banned.

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Your a nice guy man, some of your posts are a good read, but there's many posts from you where your very unaccepting of other peoples choices and your willing to argue tooth n nail over it. You seem to almost be personally offended when others don't share your opinions or views. And like the tube statement just now you start looking for digs to express your frustration. What off the shelf mech mod is $500, exaggerating things for effect doesn't help your case either.

Why can't we just accept everyone is different, everyone has a different value system, I don't buy power tools at harbor freight but I don't worry about the people who do either and I don't constantly tell them them they are wrong. So I would respectfully ask they don't condemn me for only buying Milwaukee.

If we all wanted and liked the same thing there would only be one model of car on the road

 

[Asbestos4004]

Well threads with 16 pages of bickering made me take a voluntary vacation from ECF so I didn't eventually get myself banned.

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you so gangsta! The trick is to learn not to let it bother you....I won't change your mind about a Provari. I wish I had a ProVari that ran 60watts and had temp control, 2- 18650's and was in a really nice box made from billet. Then, I would have the best one of those too. But they don't make one, so I need to settle for the other ones that are available. That doesn't change the fact that a ProVari is worth every penny. It's literally perfect for the majority of the vaping community.....it's a paper weight for the minority that builds super low, needs mega watts and has a hard time keeping the wicks wet.

 

[ENAUD]

That's why I say "perceived value". The ProVari is a nice device but is not worth $200 in 2015 compared to other products. The fact that it's a tube design instead of a box design shouldn't be a pricing factor. Even HANA MODZ has come to their senses that their pricing was ridiculous now.

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I perceive that they are worth it, due to the fact that they are selling at the asking price, even with all of the other viable products on the market.

 

[Oberon75]

Your a nice guy man, some of your posts are a good read, but there's many posts from you where your very unaccepting of other peoples choices and your willing to argue tooth n nail over it. You seem to almost be personally offended when others don't share your opinions or views. And like the tube statement just now you start looking for digs to express your frustration.

Why can't we just accept everyone is different, everyone has a different value system, I don't buy power tools at harbor freight but I don't worry about the people who do either and I don't constantly tell them them they are wrong. So I would respectfully ask they don't condemn me for only buying Milwaukee.

If we all wanted and liked the same thing there would only be one model of car on the road

Well most of my views come down to price. You should see my rants about the cost to the Cherry Bomber when posting in my Facebook groups. But if people are willing to spend that amount, that's fine. I just wonder if ProVape can keep up selling the same product at the same price. It's rare now days that I see a ProVari mentioned anywhere but ECF. And I belong to quite a few communities.

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[stevegmu]

While you might find value in that, it doesn't take away from the fact that other guys are doing far more then that for the very same price. That's vaping though I guess and this is an industry where people are willing to spend $500 on a metal tube and a button. Its all a perceived value.

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Those other mods have no value to me; so I wouldn't get one at any price; I also don't complain they don't make a mod for me.
I like SvoeMesto and almost acquired a full Semovar kit from a dealer in a ProVari trade. Turns out it wasn't for me; but I sold him the ProVari at cost and made a friend...

 

[Oberon75]

you so gangsta! The trick is to learn not to let it bother you....I won't change your mind about a Provari. I wish I had a ProVari that ran 60watts and had temp control, 2- 18650's and was in a really nice box made from billet. Then, I would have the best one of those too. But they don't make one, so I need to settle for the other ones that are available. That doesn't change the fact that a ProVari is worth every penny. It's literally perfect for the majority of the vaping community.....it's a paper weight for the minority that builds super low, needs mega watts and has a hard time keeping the wicks wet.

And I think we agree on just about everything except for the price. $200 just seems to be a lot of money for a 20w mod. But maybe that's just me.

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[Oberon75]

Those other mods have no value to me; so I wouldn't get one at any price; I also don't complain they don't make a mod for me.
I like SvoeMesto and almost acquired a full Semovar kit from a dealer in a ProVari trade. Turns out it wasn't for me; but I sold him the ProVari at cost and made a friend...

Who is complaining?

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[martinc]

They are reliable because they are underpowered...cant make that lil board heat-up to the point it would melt....hahaha

But still have to give`em their due....they started a trend which led to a whole line of bad clones which eventually led to good stuff (took 3-4 years though)

Now its vaporshark turn to dive

 

[Thrasher]

One of my fav quote from reddit:


I've said this before and I'll say it again. I think Provape is probably one of the smartest players in the market right now. Chasing the power-hungry hobbyists like us is a no-win game. Manufacturers and retailers simply can't keep up with the market. My IPV2 had its successor announced before I even picked it up from the shop.
There are a lot of people picking up vaping, and a vast majority of them are not going to be in the market for a high-powered or mechanical device (nor should they, for everyone's safety). The Provari is no longer a device that appeals to me, but I recommend it a ton. Most people I talk to either have no desire to or just flat-out should not be tinkering with mechanicals or rebuilding. They just want something as simple as possible that provides a level of vapor similar to what they got out of a cigarette. When these people ask "What's the best mod I can buy?"... It would be dangerous and silly for me to recommend they buy a mechanical mod or a high-powered box mod. But the Provari fits the bill perfectly.
If we want to see vaping go mainstream, we're going to have to recognize there will be different leveling-trees and for a significant majority, the Provari, or similar devices will be the ultimate device for them. You're never going to see a congressman posting pics of his crazy coil build or the soldering job in his box mod... but it's quite possible you'd see him toting around a Provari. The market they're targeting is (hopefully) going to end up a much larger market than hobbyist, cutting-edge, cloud-chaser folks like us here on Reddit.




If you can't find people who still discuss and think the provari is relevant then your looking in the wrong places

Even the provape forum here has a steady influx of new users.

 

[Underwhelmed]

It's rare now days that I see a ProVari mentioned anywhere but ECF. And I belong to quite a few communities.

And what makes this a bad thing, exactly?

Last I checked, ECF was about being inclusive, not exclusive. That's why there is even a sub-forum for prople who use cigalikes here.

Wasn't that one of your gripes last time, that people here weren't being accepting enough of a certain type of vaper and device?

Anyway, nobody is likely to change anyone else's mind about anything in an internet argument, but as long as we are all buying our own devices and juice, what does it really matter to anybody else what we each choose buy and use?

 

[spartanstew]

I perceive that they are worth it, due to the fact that they are selling at the asking price, even with all of the other viable products on the market.

While there's no way to prove it, I don't think they're selling them at the rate that Provape anticipated. They seem to have a lot more discounts/sales than they ever did in the past and the price of used provari's in the classifieds have plummeted over the last 4 months.

 

[Thrasher]

To add to this, do you really think these companies are turning a good profit having to push out 5 revisions a year to chase the hobbiest? Every new model leaves 10's of 1000's of past models that now have to be sold for a discount in hopes of regaing just some of the manufacturing costs.

This is an unsustainable business strategy that leads to cheaply made products that cut corners, which is exposing itself quite well on these forums lately, bad buttons, mod catching fire, failing screens, mods stuck auto firing.and many more.

the invader mini is brand spanking new, already there is a rev 2. To fix many problems.

And now they left ALL those venders with rev 1 holding the bag, and they either have to knowingly sell them to you or lose that money.

How is this good for the industry?

 

[SissySpike]

While there's no way to prove it, I don't think they're selling them at the rate that Provape anticipated. They seem to have a lot more discounts/sales than they ever did in the past and the price of used provari's in the classifieds have plummeted over the last 4 months.

Your probably right. I have not upgraded my Provari since the V2 If they had something in the 50 to 100W range I would .
Obreron you do realize you getting upset with cyder space conversation right? Ill school you on how to stop all of that.
Scroll to the top of the page see that tab that says forum?
OK click it.
Ta da! you are no longer in that thread thats irritating you.
Theres lots and lots of threads you can participate in if you allow your self to be apart of a flamer thread and get personnel its your own doing.

 

[Thrasher]

While there's no way to prove it, I don't think they're selling them at the rate that Provape anticipated. They seem to have a lot more discounts/sales than they ever did in the past and the price of used provari's in the classifieds have plummeted over the last 4 months.

I agree, I think they were caught off guard by the watt wars. But not totally their fault when the p3 was being developed the DNA 30 was barely out yet. In the time it took to refine the p3 wattage went from 30 to 150.

But to think they are. Dead and gone is a mistake I think. China will run its coarse when they wear out the box mod market and it will become a nitch product as well.

Choice is good for all

 

[SissySpike]

I agree, I think they were caught off guard by the watt wars. But not totally their fault when the p3 was being developed the DNA 30 was barely out yet. In the time it took to refine the p3 wattage went from 30 to 150.

But to think they are. Dead and gone is a mistake I think. China will run its coarse when they wear out the box mod market and it will become a nitch product as well.

Choice is good for all

Yup two years ago you pretty much had to go to custom builders to get a box mod. Now they are the it. I wonder where the next fad will take us?

 

[Oberon75]

Your probably right. I have not upgraded my Provari since the V2 If they had something in the 50 to 100W range I would .
Obreron you do realize you getting upset with cyder space conversation right? Ill school you on how to stop all of that.
Scroll to the top of the page see that tab that says forum?
OK click it.
Ta da! you are no longer in that thread thats irritating you.
Theres lots and lots of threads you can participate in if you allow your self to be apart of a flamer thread and get personnel its your own doing.

Wait a minute. What gives you the idea that I'm getting upset? I'm just discussing the product as I would with any product.

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[Coldrake]

I perceive that they are worth it, due to the fact that they are selling at the asking price, even with all of the other viable products on the market.

While there's no way to prove it, I don't think they're selling them at the rate that Provape anticipated. They seem to have a lot more discounts/sales than they ever did in the past and the price of used provari's in the classifieds have plummeted over the last 4 months.

They seem to have dropped their asking price by 20% about a month ago, and are having sales on top of that. Companies don't drop the asking price on their flagship model by 20% if they are selling well.

 

[Oberon75]

And what makes this a bad thing, exactly?

Last I checked, ECF was about being inclusive, not exclusive. That's why there is even a sub-forum for prople who use cigalikes here.

Wasn't that one of your gripes last time, that people here weren't being accepting enough of a certain type of vaper and device?

Anyway, nobody is likely to change anyone else's mind about anything in an internet argument, but as long as we are all buying our own devices and juice, what does it really matter to anybody else what we each choose buy and use?

Again. It's all about price. To me, it would be like Sony selling a PlayStation 3 for $600 in 2015 because people still prefer it over the PlayStation 4. I think people are quick to assume that I'm bashing on the Provari and people who use the provari. That's not it at all. I just see it as being slightly dated for the asking price.

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