I'm just saying that if you want a regulated device, and you're considering between a mech and a Provari and price is not a factor, you might as well get the Provari rather than have to fiddle with the Kick.
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I'm just saying that if you want a regulated device, and you're considering between a mech and a Provari and price is not a factor, you might as well get the Provari rather than have to fiddle with the Kick.
I started with a Smoktek S.I.D. and less then a week later I went to the Nemesis! I love my Nemesis and never went back. My girlfriend just recently did the exact same thing but she went with a King mod. Id go Mech all the way!
I hear ya, I might have my threads mixed up. In one of the many I'm following the OP said he already has some Mechs...if I got my threads crossed I do much apologize.
Happy Vaping
Not much fiddling with the Nemisis style...the pot is easy to access, and once the kick is in there it doesn't have to come out unless you're swapping rings to Kick different battery sizes.
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I hear ya, I might have my threads mixed up. In one of the many I'm following the OP said he already has some Mechs...if I got my threads crossed I do much apologize.
Happy Vaping
Oh, you're right, he said a few posts in that he has a Nemmy.
I missed that.When I was looking to upgrade from starter gear I had the option of mech or Provari. I wound up going with the Provari because I fiddle enough with toppers, I didn't want to have to double-fiddle... er... that sounds bad! I'm fairly handy for a chick and knew about the Kick but having to take it out and use a screwdriver to change anything just isn't very appealing (to me).
Oh, you're right, he said a few posts in that he has a Nemmy.
When I was looking to upgrade from starter gear I had the option of mech or Provari. I wound up going with the Provari because I fiddle enough with toppers, I didn't want to have to double-fiddle... er... that sounds bad! I'm fairly handy for a chick and knew about the Kick but having to take it out and use a screwdriver to change anything just isn't very appealing (to me).
I do agree, it's a different experience than the ProVari. It feels different, is set up differently, and it works differently. I think one of the big draws of regulated Mechs are simply those who either:
A. already have some nice tubes to regulate,
B. just prefer the button styles or looks of the mech, or
C. Simply like being able to choose between regulated or vaping right off the battery on a whim with the same device (or collection of devices).
D. Finally there is 'cost'...the only thing regulated (and easy to get in the USA right now...as 'quickly as you can get your hands on a ProVari') in my opinion, that comes close to the flexibility (range of toppers you can use) and signal output of the ProVari, that you can put together for less than $100, is an Evolv Kick 2 in an appropriately priced tube of your choice...or...to cobble yourself together a home made DNA mod (possible to do for under $100 but will take a good bit of 'shopping and effort' to build if you're not already handy with simple electronics projects).
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My wife is a professional driver and is a better driver than I am. OTOH, when she thinks there may be a problem with her vehicle she asks me to test drive it and see what I think. I can usually diagnose it well enough to get her started on the best path to getting it fixed if that's needed. We're a good team
. We all have our areas of expertise which we know well and other areas we don't know so well. Compared to PVs, cars are all regulated. There are no 'mechanical' cars on the streets. You know it's perfectly OK for you to have the opinion you do about this, there's really no need to get defensive about it. I disagree with you and that's OK too
. Vape on.
Having an opinion is OK, but loudly denying the risks of unregulated mods, to the point of propping up one's arguments with untruths, can cost someone clueless a hand or a face. And for what? Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Remaining faith in humanity: 0.
Gratuitous self-promotion?
Immaturity? Insecurity? Nicotine withdrawal?The biggest difference between a flashlight and an e-cig mod is that I don't generally put my flashlights into my mouth while activating the battery.
I have a little more faith in humanity than that Dampmaskin. The vast majority of posters around here are not like that. Also, the vast majority of readers don't fall for 'non sense' when there is some 'good sense' offered at the same time.
Or maybe I'm just the eternal optimist
I own and always recommend regulated mods, especially to new vapers. They offer safety and convenience. The ProVari is more expensive than most (not all) mechanical mods, but it's much more safe.
Besides, if price is an issue, there are many good regulated mods on the market; some come with internal built-in batteries, like the MVP 2, other come with replaceable batteries, like Vamo V5, Sigelei Zmax V3 and up, and many others.
No matter which model you choose, make sure you buy safe and high-quality batteries and a good charger. I use AW IMR (red jacket) batteries and a nitecore Intellicharge charger and I'm very pleased with their performance.
Baditude's blog entry about batteries for mods is a must read.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html
I have a little more faith in humanity than that Dampmaskin. The vast majority of posters around here are not like that. Also, the vast majority of readers don't fall for 'non sense' when there is some 'good sense' offered at the same time.
Or maybe I'm just the eternal optimist
You're a good man, Ryedan--and you've helped so many people around here. I guess one has to be an optimist to do what you're doing, tirelessly, quietly, and always in a friendly manner.
Keep up the good work!
The biggest difference between a flashlight and an e-cig mod is that I don't generally put my flashlights into my mouth while activating the battery.
Exactly what I thought Katya. I saw this a while back and was able to find it again now. Flashlight: Solarforce L1200 battery explosion. Very impressive photos
As far as I can tell the batteries were protected ICR Li-ion either double or triple stacked in the flashlight and he charged the third battery overnight and didn't check battery voltages after charging. Multiple high risk practices came together and a battery exploded. Doesn't happen often, but it happened once to a vaper a couple of years back too and that was nasty!
I'm reluctant to bring stuff like this up because it happens so rarely and I don't want to be fear mongering. It's also almost always avoidable by using a bit of basic battery knowledge, like only using IMR or hybrid Li-ion batteries. But this is what can happen if it all goes badly wrong.
You're a good man, Ryedan--and you've helped so many people around here. I guess one has to be an optimist to do what you're doing, tirelessly, quietly, and always in a friendly manner.
Keep up the good work!
Why thank you kindly Katya! And the same right back at you
Scared people often don't want to allow others to do the things they are scared of.
I tell you what. I will relent on my position if you can do one simple thing.
Explain to me why this 18650 flashlight is mechanically different from an 18650 mech mod. Or explain to me why you think this flashlight is safe while the mech mod is dangerous when both are virtually identical mechanically.
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The only reason I don't still do that is age. (73)
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Just like with your flashlight, it all depends on how you use them!
Don't want to get involved in a battle over anything.
I started off with ego/spinner/charger+Protanks and prebuilt coils. I bought knockoffs. I didn't check my battery. I used a cheap charger which I didn't think about twice. Used the battery till it stopped working, grabbed the one that was charged. I grabbed a prebuilt coil and stuck it in the protank. Never measured it; simply assumed it was right. Most I did was dryburn and replace the flavor wicks. Of course, never checked the coil afterwards. If it worked, all was well.
I've switched to mech mod and rda/rba. I use name brand batteries+good charger+good meter. I measure the battery when the vape level is falling. I measure the battery after I take it off the charger. I build my own coils, making sure they're rock solid, and I measure them, religiously.
I feel SAFER with the mech mod/rda-rba, simply because they force the user to be more aware of what's happening with the vape. Being at the mercy of equipment is not ideal.
...and yes, bizarre stuff can happen. However, I don't want to live my life worrying about sharks, plane crashes, or lightning strikes.
I started off with ego/spinner/charger+Protanks and prebuilt coils. I bought knockoffs. I didn't check my battery. I used a cheap charger which I didn't think about twice. Used the battery till it stopped working, grabbed the one that was charged. I grabbed a prebuilt coil and stuck it in the protank. Never measured it; simply assumed it was right. Most I did was dryburn and replace the flavor wicks. Of course, never checked the coil afterwards. If it worked, all was well.
I've switched to mech mod and rda/rba. I use name brand batteries+good charger+good meter. I measure the battery when the vape level is falling. I measure the battery after I take it off the charger. I build my own coils, making sure they're rock solid, and I measure them, religiously.
I feel SAFER with the mech mod/rda-rba, simply because they force the user to be more aware of what's happening with the vape. Being at the mercy of equipment is not ideal.
...and yes, bizarre stuff can happen. However, I don't want to live my life worrying about sharks, plane crashes, or lightning strikes.
I'll take issue with the above post. I was a relatively new vaper when I had a battery explode in my first mechanical mod due to using a low quality protected battery (a Trustfire ICR). As a novice, I was not aware of which batteries are best to use in mods and not completely aware of safe battery habits (Like the majority of new vapers).
I was using a cartotank on top of the mechanical mod. I had a habit of dropping my mod setup into the front pocket of my pants in my locker at work after changing into a uniform. The protruding power button on the mechanical mod became continuously compressed by another mod in the pocket, causing the battery to over-discharge and go into thermal runaway.
Both ends of the battery blew out releasing hot gas and flames. (I know this because my pants were scorched and burnt.) The plastic wrap on the battery melted. The so-called protection built into the battery failed & the collapsable hot spring failed to prevent the battery from exploding. I was lucky I was not wearing these pants at the time, and lucky to find the mod before a full-blown fire occured in my locker at work.
Had this been a regulated mod this situation would never have occured. The built-in protective circuitry of a VV/VW mod is more reliable and is more advanced than the primitive circuit of a protected ICR battery. It would have a timed auto-shutoff of the fire button and would have detected the hard-shorted battery and shut itself down before the battery could go into thermal runaway.
Protected batteries are not really that safe to use. They have a volatile (flamable) chemistry and depend upon a primitive IC to even be considered safe to use an any device as simple as a flashlight. IMR or the new hybrid batteries use safe chemistry. These batteries may still vent during failure, but not as likely to, nor with flames or the drama that an ICR chemistry battery will. With the advent of modern battery technology, there is no logical reason to use a protected ICR battery over a safe chemistry IMR battery in any of our mods.
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries
Mechanical mods have absolutely NO PROTECTION. Unless you are completely aware of safe battery practices and know which batteries should be used in them, a regulated VV mod is far safer to use, especially for a novice vaper.
A regulated VV mod such as a Provari will have the following:
- On/Off Mode
- You can put the ProVari in standby mode so it will not turn on the atomizer when the button is pressed. This safety feature prevents the atomizer from turning on while it's in your pocket or bag and it prevents any settings from getting changed without you knowing.
- Stopwatch16 Second Cutoff
- If the button is held down for 16 seconds or longer, the ProVari will shut itself off until the button is released.If you forget to turn it off before storing it in your pocket or bag, this protects you and prevents the device from activating.
- Atomizer ProtectionShort Circuit/Atomizer Protection
- This protects the ProVari against shorted atomizers/cartomizers. If this error occurs the ProVari will alert you by displaying E1 on the digital display. Fix: Remove the atomizer or cartomizer and replace with a different one.
- Reverse Battery Protection
- Protects against reverse battery installation.
- Battery Monitoring
- Battery Monitoring/Over-Discharge Protection
- The ProVari monitors the battery voltage and will automatically turn off when the battery is discharged.
- Amperage Limiting
- Amperage Limiting to 3.5 amps
- The ProVari will monitor and shut itself off if it detects any excessive over-current conditions. If this error occurs the ProVari will alert you by displaying E2 on the digital display. Fix: Lower your voltage setting. V2 - Version 2 now has a higher amperage limit of 3.5amp for low resistance atomizers and cartomizers.
- Thermal Monitoring
- Shuts the device off if it detects a high temperature condition. Once the device cools off, it will resume normal operation.
Why Provari?
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The only reason I don't still do that is age. (73)
Heck, I'm only 57 and I don't think I'll be doing that either, LOL!
Lower resistance makes the battery work more than it would in a regulated device such as the ProVari. My sub ohm coil (low/lesser resistance) always drains the battery faster than my provari on a 1.3 coil on a kayfun LP.
Don't be biased and just get both. I use a mech at home since i use a dripper on my mechanical with a sub ohm coil. SOMETIMES I'll bring it with me if I'm not driving and I'm out and about. But a provari is a good device, I think. I love the kayfun/russian on it. Most of the people like a mech for the wrong reasons...BIG CLOUDS, for shock value towards other people because that satisfies them..to show off
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