Purely Academic: Would you be willing to apply for a licence in order to vape?

[Chemical Bromance]

Given that it's not legal to own any vaping paraphernalia in SG, there's really no point discussing all the why's.
As a purely academic exercise, I was wondering under what circumstances I would be allowed to own and use this equipment.
I asked myself if I'd be willing to subject myself to paying a small fee, either once off or annual, in order to vape. devices could be serialised and juices bought from a licenced vendor.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

{Please let's keep this discussion adult, academic and forward looking. Let's not devolve this into a long-drawn bashing session filled with conspiracy theories. Cheers.}

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[Chemical Bromance]

I collect knives and when I buy one from a locally-licenced vendor, I provide my NRIC for them to make a record against my purchase AND I keep the receipt as a proof of purchase. This is important, as the receipt has fine print indicating that the blade was purchased from a vendor licenced by the A&E Branch of the SPF. Far better to buy from an approved vendor than to not be able to own something at all.
While the regs have gotten more reasonable in the last few years, there was a time when it really was tough to get some nice kit.

Personally, I don't think I'd mind paying a small licence fee per annum to have my mod licenced so that I can vape openly. And even if HSA steps in to regulate even lower nic content, I don't mind and it may even lead to more development of new juice variants.

 

[Sonic69]

Yes I would too


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[Sonic69]

I have a small collection of folding knives too but only ever bought online


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[RickAppling]

Why a license? Would not a prescription be more likely?

 

[Chemical Bromance]

Why a license? Would not a prescription be more likely?

At the moment, neither option exists. But if it can get legal here, licencing and registration would be our best bet. I can imagine getting prescribed vaping as a means of getting off analogues but for many others such as myself, we weren't even smokers to begin with. So it'd be kinda tough for us to get a prescription.

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[RickAppling]

That includes me, I have never use tobacco or nicotine.

 

[karedi]

Not to be intrusive or rude, but why did those who never smoked before got into vaping? As a safer alternative to smoking and eventually to cessation, vaping can be seen in a good light. But when non smokers start vaping, it kinda gives it a very negative light.
Sorry if what I said offends anyone. I just feel that the reason the government is coming down hard on it is also because it's being seen as a cool thing to do, and non smokers are also doing it.


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[Chemical Bromance]

Not to be intrusive or rude, but why did those who never smoked before got into vaping? As a safer alternative to smoking and eventually to cessation, vaping can be seen in a good light. But when non smokers start vaping, it kinda gives it a very negative light.
Sorry if what I said offends anyone. I just feel that the reason the government is coming down hard on it is also because it's being seen as a cool thing to do, and non smokers are also doing it.


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The choice to vape isn't exclusive to anyone. Neither should an existing smoker be granted extra privilege or access simply because of his status. Claiming vaping is a gateway to smoking is just one of many reasons that vaping detractors use. How about the ease with which a vaper can vape THC or cannabis-laden juice? All authorities are very concerned about drug use.
Frankly, even if myself or other non-smokers don't take up vaping it will still be a controversial matter. Like vegans blaming meat-eaters for environmental damage; it's not that I don't care about the earth, I just want my burgers and steaks and I'll stab a tree hugger to get it.
As I had mentioned in my first post, let's not look at the whys and wherefores; lots of platforms for that already. Rather, let's bounce some ideas around and have a mental .... and think how vaping may be made legal again.

Peace.

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[Chemical Bromance]

Oh, as for the why I took up vaping... I just felt like it.
I'm an occasional cigar smoker. Cigarettes never interested me because of the weak flavour and lack of mouth feel. Cigars were another matter.
I also enjoyed all the processes that went with cigars, from the multitudes of leaf and type to the origins and tools and storage, etc.
With vaping I found a similar mental engagement with the multitude of gear and coils and juices.
And like I said, because I felt like it.

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[Sonic69]

Because one can get pleasure from vaping. It's a sensory experience. Taste, blow clouds, play with gear. If there's minimal harm why not?
Personally I quit smoking for more than 10 years already from a pack a day habit. But I always enjoyed the nicotine. As the saying goes "Smoke for the nicotine, die from the tar".
With vaping I can get my nicotine buzz again but this time in a "99% safer" form. So now I vape.


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[Cumulo Vapus]

Well, I would say a majority of the laws locally are in place due to people of feeble intellect who have trouble using common sense, figuring out how much risk is too much, discerning between what's right and wrong and knowing what effects their actions in public are going to have on non smokers and the authorities.

A classic example is that teen on the void deck who set his mouth on fire and his so called friend who took the extremely ill advised step of uploading the subsequent video to STOMP. That just reinforced to the powers that be that this is dangerous. Plus, that kid looked about 15 to me.

I am convinced the real underlying fear is that people might start mixing (cough cough) prohibited substances to the liquids making them harder to detect and altering their chemistry, with unknown effects. Worrying about this becoming a bootlegging industry that operates in the shadows is a valid concern.

So you can forget about any licensing. There are just too many variants…too many flavours, combos pg, vg, rba, rta, this coil, that coil, this build, that build, droppers, tippers, squonkers….confusing and impossible to test and regulate all.

Smoking is simple….99.9% of it is regular, lights or menthol….until they can bring that kind of simplicity to vaping….where there are not an infinite choice of variants in liquids, mods and coil builds….where tests can be run and the gear can be standardised for all…until then, it is not going to fly here.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

But what if the gear is serialised and controlled? Like how we can't get diesel versions of the a lot of different cars. The onus is on the distributor to import and send the items for submission and serialising before sale.
For instance...
Gun barrels are not serialised. But imported guns into SG have a serial number stamped into them for purposes of control.
What do you think?

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[Chemical Bromance]

As an addendum to the possibility of licensing... Australian doesn't allow sale of juices with ANY nicotine. That could be one addition to the mix...

 

[trippy_K82]

If thats what it takes to be able to vape openly instead of scurrying around like a "criminal" , yeah sure i would. Currently i'm still on analogs in public, wishing for my mod instead. we all know our gahment's #1 concern is $$$$.

 

[retired1]

Australian doesn't allow sale of juices with ANY nicotine.

This is not entirely true. While some states (Like Western Australia) prohibit in state sales, it is not illegal to import for personal use. Other Australian states do allow the sale of e-liquids with nicotine.

eCig and Nicotine Laws in Australia

 

[Chemical Bromance]

This is not entirely true. While some states (Like Western Australia) prohibit in state sales, it is not illegal to import for personal use. Other Australian states do allow the sale of e-liquids with nicotine.

eCig and Nicotine Laws in Australia

Well, good to know. I was told this by the sellers at the 2 vape shops I visited in Melbourne. Thanks, retired1!

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[Sonic69]

Yeah. I managed to get juice with nic sent to me in Perth


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[Chemical Bromance]

Yeah. I managed to get juice with nic sent to me in Perth


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Yeah, I was told that ordering them in and consuming wasn't a prob. It was that retail sale was restricted to non nic.

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[Simon Templar Christopher]

I think Chemical Bromance has a great idea here and I would definitely sign for it..