Quality Cartos

[lmd514]

I've seen some recent posts about the quality among cartos. I just purchased a starter kit this week, (email said it was shipped today, so I'll start stalking the mailman soon) which comes with some prefilled cartos, but would like to buy some blanks. However, I would like to get some decently quality ones, but am not sure exactly what I need/am looking for to determine quality. I am worried that I'll spend extra on crap ones because I thought they were good. Also, is my understanding that all kr808 cartos will fit the one I ordered correct? Sorry for the newb questions. Thanks!

 

[Firefly13]

Which kit did you buy and from where ? you might have got a kit which comes with crappy cartos, but yes all 808 cartos work with all 808 kits

 

[lmd514]

This is the kit I got:

KR808D-1 Starter Kit

I also bought some prefilled cartos from the classifieds on here. They are 5 Cool carts from V4L (Coffee and Espresso flavor), and 4 WOW Vapor KANT Menthol 18mg from V4L. I'm still looking into buying some blanks as well.

 

[Firefly13]

This is the kit I got:

KR808D-1 Starter Kit

I also bought some prefilled cartos from the classifieds on here. They are 5 Cool carts from V4L (Coffee and Espresso flavor), and 4 WOW Vapor KANT Menthol 18mg from V4L. I'm still looking into buying some blanks as well.

They look like rubbish carts that come with the kit, but you made a smart move buying the V4L carts, they are made by Boge who make the best 808 cartos, so you'll be good to go

There are other vendors too who sell blanks like LitecigUSA, those are the ones you should get, you'll see the difference i'm talking about when you get your gear, the Kanger ones take a few hits to break in and don't perform nowhere near as good as the premium ones.

 

[MichelleDen]

Look like? How do you see, its bad by looking at the picture?

 

[Firefly13]

Look like? How do you see, its bad by looking at the picture?

I am an avid 808 freak, i can tell by the look of the caps which are the kanger style and boge style, the boge carts are slightly longer, the caps arent as thick and they're longer too.

 

[MichelleDen]

hmm well the only acual cartos I see, are the ones sitting next to the kit, and its way to small to see anything.. also because the condoms are on..
The first kangers I got, had small hard caps.. the second batch had long softcaps... so eh...
Do you know witch ones Eastmall and Heaven gift sell? They are hard caps, and very bad performing IMO..

 

[dragginfly]

Here's a good thread about the quality of cartos...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...96-boge-litecig-premium-c-e2-another-one.html

The 18th post in the thread includes (yet another) link to a listing
of known carto suppliers and type of carto provided by each...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-etc-filler-type-cartos-297.html#post2144926

I'm using Nhaler mega cartomizers (3.4 ohm) on my 808 PT. They are awesome.

I just ordered some LiteCig Premiums to see if they are a lower ohm rating for
my 3.7v battery.

It's frustrating that the vendors don't put more information on their websites
about the construction and resistance in these cartos. Of course, they all
will claim to have the 'best' quality. lol

 

[MichelleDen]

Didn,t really find answers to my q's there. Haven't tried any of those vendors..
Heavengift's and eastmall's only go a couple of fills, before they leak out the batt end. The paper openes up after 3-5 fills to.. AND juice in the mouth probs aswell.. What are they? Boge?

Kanger softcaps don't do all these things.. Exept for a couple that had a faulty cap... So in case LIbertyF goes out of stock for a long time, again, I would like to have another vendor, in hand.. Oh and havent found what ohm they are.. But most likely around 3?
Kanger's are the best ones I've tried. So don't get why everybody says they are bad?

 

[Firefly13]

I would assume HG and Eastmall still sell the Kanger style, try some ones like the Litecig Premium ones you'll see the difference, they are made by Boge, they call their 808 cartos 302D. Right off the bat they vape better, there is a big difference.

If you can find a review / youtube video between V4L's original cartomizers and premium / coolcart ones that will show you the difference between the Kanger and Boge ones.

 

[MichelleDen]

If they are all Kanger, theres a BIG difference in performance....Maybe Lf's new ones are upgraded..Give good TH and vapor right from start. No breaking in...

I've been told elsewhere that the reason people like the Boges better, is because they give more vapor and have lower resistance. Is that the same reasons you like'em?

 

[MichelleDen]

Oh would have tried v4l a long time ago if they didnt charge $21-25 to send stuff to Denmark.. I'll go tjeck and see if Litecig's the same..

 

[Firefly13]

If they are all Kanger, theres a BIG difference in performance....Maybe Lf's new ones are upgraded..Give good TH and vapor right from start. No breaking in...

I've been told elsewhere that the reason people like the Boges better, is because they give more vapor and have lower resistance. Is that the same reasons you like'em?

I like the Boge ones because the draw and overall performance is a million times better, and also because like you mentioned, no breaking in or anything,they vape great from the start, yes the resistance is a bit lower so they vape hotter too, the premiums are around 2.8ohm i think, coolcarts / turbos are around 3.4 ohm, cooler.

 

[MichelleDen]

Well I just got an answer from eastmall, they say their's are Boge. Those were the ones that only went 2-3 fills before the paper opened, and they leaked into my batt. Could only take 10-15 drops pr fill. The Kangers take 30 drops the first 20 fills...without leaking.. Could be I got a bad batch of Boge's.. Have to test some others I think... Do you know the Smoore ones?

 

[dragginfly]

@ Michelle

You might want to look at the KR808D-1 cartos from LiteCig.

I just received some today. Ordered two types so I could see
them first hand for comparison.

Here's my review...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/litecig/138824-premium-808-blanks-vs-regular.html#post2259031

@ Firefly

I would appreciate if you could look at the pictures in my review
to tell if I identified the Boges and Kangers correctly.

TIA

 

[MichelleDen]

@ Michelle

You might want to look at the KR808D-1 cartos from LiteCig.

I just received some today. Ordered two types so I could see
them first hand for comparison.

Here's my review...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/litecig/138824-premium-808-blanks-vs-regular.html#post2259031

@ Firefly

I would appreciate if you could look at the pictures in my review
to tell if I identified the Boges and Kangers correctly.

TIA

I would say you have. Thanks for picture rewiev.

BUT........ here comes all the annoing info...
My first Kangers looked exactly like the Boges inside. Both hard caps. Visible wire, at the top. Like the Boge ones you have.
Differences are that the Kangers went for over 50 refills, Boges about 30, and very poor performing after 20. Same juice..
Also the paper around opens after a day or so, as mentioned a couple of times...

My new Kangers, same vendor, have soft caps, no visible wire, paper holds for ever, no breaking in, and fenomenal TH. BUT can't keep them going for as long.
Old style hard cap Kanger: 2 weeks. New style soft cap Kanger: 1 week at best. But for that week, they outperform the old ones and the Boges IMO.
Gonna give up soon.. theres just not anything that is consistent here, and the vendors aren't informed about changes... nor are we.

Oh have no idea about the ohms, haven't tested them, but would deff say they are close to 3 cus they don't get too warm..

 

[Firefly13]

I think vendors are telling you wrong info and making it more confusing for you.

The ones LitecigUSA sell labelled 302D as the model are the Boge ones, that is their version of the 808, they're my favorites.

You just have to find the right resistance ones for whatever your setup is, i use cartos at 3.7v and 5/6v so i use a mixture of 2.8ohm and 3.3ohm ones.

The Kanger ones are slightly shorter and have thicker rubber caps.

Bauway make the Mega cartos like you see on ikenvape / nhaler, they hold like 2ml's of liquid, they are good too but on regular batteries they might be a bit airy, they're about 3ohms usually.

 

[dragginfly]

Thanks Firefly!

I think vendors are telling you wrong info and making it more confusing for you.

Odd thing is the vendors don't give much info at all
about resistance or manufacturer. That's what makes
it such a challenge to decipher.

The ones LitecigUSA sell labelled 302D as the model are the Boge ones, that is their version of the 808, they're my favorites.

Good. I got that right.

I agree. Love the LiteCig Premiums.

Straight wire. Great filler material. Awesome
vapor out right out of the box.

You just have to find the right resistance ones for whatever your setup is, i use cartos at 3.7v and 5/6v so i use a mixture of 2.8ohm and 3.3ohm ones.

To the "right resistance" I would add... AND the right manufacturer.

A 2.8 ohm Kanger and a 2.8 ohm Boge are vastly different
in terms of heat transfer and performance.

Same power. Different vapor.

They are apples and oranges.

The Kanger ones are slightly shorter and have thicker rubber caps.

Assuming the LiteCig 'regulars' in the blister pack are Kanger, mine
came with hard caps. But it's very possible that Kanger has switched
to the rubber caps as well. Probably depends on which batch and
which vendor they are purchased through.

Bauway make the Mega cartos like you see on ikenvape / nhaler, they hold like 2ml's of liquid, they are good too but on regular batteries they might be a bit airy, they're about 3ohms usually.

Thanks for mentioning Bauway.

Of course, it just adds to the confusion.

The Bauway cartos from Nhaler are probably the longer Jumbos, which
hold more liquid and are 3.0 ohms.

KR808D-1 JUMBOCARTOMIZERS

Mine from Nhaler are the Megas, which are the standard size and
are 3.4 ohms. I'm sure these are Boges.

Blank KR808D-1 Mega Cartomizers

I honestly cannot tell the difference between the Nhalers I received
and the LiteCigs. They must be boges. Same box and everything.


In my other post, I refer to the Nhalers as TOG (the other guy).

The Nhaler Megas I received are 3.4 ohms.

The LiteCig Premiums are 3.2 ohms.

Other than resistance, they are identical.

Therefore, the Nhaler Megas = Boge



Thanks again, Firefly.

I would ask for more information on your suppliers, but this
seems to be a moving target. They keep updating and
changing... which is good for the product and keeps us
from getting bored.

 

[MichelleDen]

Assuming the LiteCig 'regulars' in the blister pack are Kanger, mine
came with hard caps. But it's very possible that Kanger has switched
to the rubber caps as well. Probably depends on which batch and
which vendor they are purchased through. By Dragginfly.

Thats what started me on my quest... Two orders, same vendor, same manufacturer, a couple weeks apart. Both caps and performance is different. You can never really know what your'e getting.

Hey Firefly13 you heard about Smoore? Gonna try them in a few days, when my kit comes... shall be interesting to see what the cartos are like..

 

[Firefly13]

Thanks Firefly!



Odd thing is the vendors don't give much info at all
about resistance or manufacturer. That's what makes
it such a challenge to decipher.




Good. I got that right.

I agree. Love the LiteCig Premiums.

Straight wire. Great filler material. Awesome
vapor out right out of the box.




To the "right resistance" I would add... AND the right manufacturer.

A 2.8 ohm Kanger and a 2.8 ohm Boge are vastly different
in terms of heat transfer and performance.

Same power. Different vapor.

They are apples and oranges.




Assuming the LiteCig 'regulars' in the blister pack are Kanger, mine
came with hard caps. But it's very possible that Kanger has switched
to the rubber caps as well. Probably depends on which batch and
which vendor they are purchased through.




Thanks for mentioning Bauway.

Of course, it just adds to the confusion.

The Bauway cartos from Nhaler are probably the longer Jumbos, which
hold more liquid and are 3.0 ohms.

KR808D-1 JUMBOCARTOMIZERS

Mine from Nhaler are the Megas, which are the standard size and
are 3.4 ohms. I'm sure these are Boges.

Blank KR808D-1 Mega Cartomizers

I honestly cannot tell the difference between the Nhalers I received
and the LiteCigs. They must be boges. Same box and everything.


In my other post, I refer to the Nhalers as TOG (the other guy).

The Nhaler Megas I received are 3.4 ohms.

The LiteCig Premiums are 3.2 ohms.

Other than resistance, they are identical.

Therefore, the Nhaler Megas = Boge



Thanks again, Firefly.

I would ask for more information on your suppliers, but this
seems to be a moving target. They keep updating and
changing... which is good for the product and keeps us
from getting bored.

You're absolutely right, everything you said is pretty much spot on. I used to be an 808 supplier that's how i know so much about all of the different ones