Question about butterscotch

[Pandemic Vapor]

So I tried making a straight Butterscotch, at 8% for a 30ml application. The smell is there, but the taste isn't. Has anyone used a butterscotch as a standalone flavor? Flavor has been steeping for almost a week. Is it just a longer steep type flavor?

My other question is, am I using too little flavor per volume? BCV recommended 1%, so i should have noticed a lot more flavor with 8%. OR did I mess something up.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

 

[Hoosier]

Ummm, that's a 7.

Some nut job that goes by the handle "Hoosier" wrote a blog on flavoring levels. It goes from 1-8 from too little to too much. If you can find that blog and suffer through the poor writing skills, I'll bet you can figure out how to get your mix to taste right.

 

[B2L]

Ummm, that's a 7.

Some nut job that goes by the handle "Hoosier" wrote a blog on flavoring levels. It goes from 1-8 from too little to too much. If you can find that blog and suffer through the poor writing skills, I'll bet you can figure out how to get your mix to taste right.

That nut job should be required reading for anyone starting out in DIY.

Basically start low in small batches and ramp it up a little each time, usually you will notice flavor getting a little better and then either falling off or getting real perfumey. Go one step back and that's your sweet spot. I use NF butterscotch as a standalone at 18% and love it.

Another great blog is Str8V8pings, I highly recommend his and Hoosiers.

 

[Pandemic Vapor]

Well for the most part this is one of those few flavors that give me a little grief. I think I read a thread, not sure who's but it had a lot of flavor percentages when I first started this about a month ago.

I am well aware that if it's not right, to add more, but starting close to the max on a standalone, I figured it would be closer. Either way, its butterscotch FA and the the butterscotch ripple is FW, both I made the recommended starting point, but got nowhere close.. I just went back into the calculator and added another .5 of each flavor to both batches.

Maybe the steep time for it is longer than the other flavors I have been using. Oh well, another couple days in the steep box!

Thanks @Hoosier and @B2L

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

The spreadsheet I looked at for FA recommends the Butterscotch a 3-4%. It's just a recommendation...

 

[baseballmom]

Again guessing the fa(flavorart)bts is at too high a %…the fw one may require more though...fa bts wasn't the right bts flavor personally for me....again, too much flavoring can cause lack of taste too, weird huh? tfa(the flavor apprentice), cap, and fw flavors "usually" mixed at higher % than fa, inawera they are "usually" mixed at lower %'s. Equipment and pg/vg ratios can effect flavor too. You'll get there though, trial and error a great lesson in diy...good luck!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That nut job should be required reading for anyone starting out in DIY.

Basically start low in small batches and ramp it up a little each time, usually you will notice flavor getting a little better and then either falling off or getting real perfumey. Go one step back and that's your sweet spot. I use NF butterscotch as a standalone at 18% and love it.

Another great blog is Str8V8pings, I highly recommend his and Hoosiers.

What is NF?

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I found the butterscotch ripple from FW to be fairly bland, I think the vanilla bean ice cream in it covers the butterscotch too much.

I tested at 12% and 14%, and 14% was more muted, so I think 12% or less is better, and it takes a few weeks steeping to taste proper too.

If you want butterscotch candy discs flavor, get the regular FW butterscotch and try starting a mix at 12% and wait 2 weeks (Airing out for 12-24 hours helps it too)

 

[B2L]

What is NF?

Natures Flavors Natures Flavors | Natural and Organic Ingredients

Tastes like a Werthers Original (IMO, to me, YMMV and so on and so forth)

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Natures Flavors Natures Flavors | Natural and Organic Ingredients

Tastes like a Werthers Original (IMO, to me, YMMV and so on and so forth)

Same as the NF organics that High Desert Vapes sells?

 

[B2L]

Same as the NF organics that High Desert Vapes sells?

That's where I originally found it, yes.

I really should have linked HDV, John and Jen are awesome.

 

[grm]

B2L that is a great Avatar!!!!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That's where I originally found it, yes.

I really should have linked HDV, John and Jen are awesome.

I have 4 or 5 of the NF flavorings then but not the butterscotch.

 

[B2L]

B2L that is a great Avatar!!!!

Thanks a fellow REOnaut, DoogieTony, made it for me. I painted the REO door in it and when he saw it he wanted to use it for my avatar. He did a great job photoshopping it in.

 

[B2L]

I have 4 or 5 of the NF flavorings then but not the butterscotch.

I tried several and none of them really stuck but the butterscotch. I buy it 16 oz at a time now.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I tried several and none of them really stuck but the butterscotch. I buy it 16 oz at a time now.

Thanks will order some next time.

 

[westhc]

Thanks will order some next time.

So what are your thoughts on the Natures Flavors Butterscotch.
I would like to try making butterscotch again. As I recall I tried several about a year ago and nothing was very butterscotchy - mostly just bad. I can't recall what brands I tried and for some reason my notes are blank on it. Everything must have been really bad.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

So what are your thoughts on the Natures Flavors Butterscotch.
I would like to try making butterscotch again. As I recall I tried several about a year ago and nothing was very butterscotchy - mostly just bad. I can't recall what brands I tried and for some reason my notes are blank on it. Everything must have been really bad.

don't have any. I have a bit of a 3 ml sample of DIY Flavorshack Butterscotch which I use a couple of drops in my tobacco mix. And I have some Lorann butterscotch which I have not opened yet. Had it 6 months too

 

[westhc]

What brands of butterscotch has everyone tried and how did you like it?
I am looking just for a good standalone butterscotch - not mixed with any other flavor.
The major brands available seem to be FW, TFA, Lorann, FA, Hangsen, Natures Flavors (I will slip a bottle into another order).
Since I cannot find what I tried before I am starting from scratch again. Reviews are all good and bad. Sometimes I wish taste wasn't subjective!
It does seem that most, if not all have the dreaded Acetoin ingredient but I do have a hankering for some good butterscotch.

 

[Papillon61]

I make a juice using butterscotch which is quite nice. It's not something I can take credit for - I found it on the web somewhere some time ago. I use TFA flavours but I suppose you could try it with anything else. It is a rather high flavoured recipe, but you could make it up and add it as one flavour to your base at any percentage you prefer.

14% TFA Butterscotch
4% TFA Sweet Cream
4% TFA Vanilla Custard
3% TFA Brown Sugar