Question about DIY 0 Nic Juices.

[Fordun]

I looked in my spice cabinet and i have a bottle of Vanilla Extract which contains PG and is food safe.
Next i found 2 bottles of Almond and Lemon Extract both unlabled as to what they contain.
And i found a bottle of almond flavoring which says it contains alcohol,PG,and water.

Im wondering if i could try and vape these just straight up or maybe dilute them with water.

At the same time im tempted to go down to Walgreens and pick up this.
Africare 100% Glycerin | Walgreens

Its 6$ for 8.5oz or 250ml which is a lot cheaper then totallywicked e juice at 7.99$ for a 10ml bottle.

Now i believe im addicted to smoking not nicotine so having a 0 nic juice is no problem and my main question is if i can vape just straight up 100$ VG right out of the bottle like if i wanted a flavorless, nicotineless juice.

 

[barbee865]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/74109-guide-diy-flavoring.html

This is the starter's guide do DIY your own flavorings. As for the 100% glycerin i would only use something labeled food or pharmaceutical grade. I'm not a DIYer but there is a lot of people in the forum willing to help.

 

[wv2win]

Have you ever vaped 0 nic eliquid? Most who have vaped for a while are not as much "addicted" any longer to nicotine but instead do not want to give up the throat hit that it provides. Vaping 0 nicotine eliquid is pretty close to vaping air.

 

[Rule62]

I know a couple people who occasionally vape pure unflavored 0 nic VG. I just don't see the point in it, other than just creating clouds of vapor.

 

[John D in CT]

Have you ever vaped 0 nic eliquid? Most who have vaped for a while are not as much "addicted" any longer to nicotine but instead do not want to give up the throat hit that it provides. Vaping 0 nicotine eliquid is pretty close to vaping air.

I've been vaping 0 nicotine for the six months that I've been analog-free. I'd hate to see people discouraged from considering trying the zero nicotine route. I wouldn't call it "pretty close to vaping air", especially since air won't vape in a PV. I get a decent throat hit with 0 nic PG, and it's kept me off of cigarettes completely, which is not to be sneezed at.

Lastly: As for "Most who have vaped for a while are not as much "addicted" any longer to nicotine but instead do not want to give up the throat hit that it provides" - you sure about that?

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"I know a couple people who occasionally vape pure unflavored 0 nic VG. I just don't see the point in it, other than just creating clouds of vapor".

I think the important thing is that the people who do that evidently see a point in it, and I think it has a lot to do with "creating clouds of vapor" as a way to stop being killed by analogs. If they don't want to keep using nicotine, or maybe want to avoid inhaling the compounds found in flavorings, that's fine by me.

 

[markfm]

On VG, look for "Glycerin USP Skin Protectant", near the bandaids. The only thing in ingredients should be Glycerin 99.5%. I normally get mine at Rite Aid, since it's near where I live, $5 for a clear, short, 6 ounce bottle of it.

Plain VG is a bit too thick, you dilute it with about 10% distilled water (the $1/gallon grocery store distilled water), then shake and it is fine to use.

On flavorings, if they match things talked about in the DIY area sticky, guide to flavorings, you should be fine. Otherwise I would be pretty cautious -- there are things that are fine to eat that aren't so good to vape.

 

[happ]

Try one stop diy shop. They have kits for diy that will have everything you need to start. The prices are good but the service is amazing. They have some recipes up on their site to get you started and you may find one that you like. The kits do have nicotine but you can buy all the other supplies and not add the nic. The site is One Stop DIY Shop

 

[wv2win]

I've been vaping 0 nicotine for the six months that I've been analog-free. I'd hate to see people discouraged from considering trying the zero nicotine route. I wouldn't call it "pretty close to vaping air", especially since air won't vape in a PV. I get a decent throat hit with 0 nic PG, and it's kept me off of cigarettes completely, which is not to be sneezed at.

Lastly: As for "Most who have vaped for a while are not as much "addicted" any longer to nicotine but instead do not want to give up the throat hit that it provides" - you sure about that?

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"I know a couple people who occasionally vape pure unflavored 0 nic VG. I just don't see the point in it, other than just creating clouds of vapor".

I think the important thing is that the people who do that evidently see a point in it, and I think it has a lot to do with "creating clouds of vapor" as a way to stop being killed by analogs. If they don't want to keep using nicotine, or maybe want to avoid inhaling the compounds found in flavorings, that's fine by me.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from vaping 0 nic eliquid. Based on your original post I was not sure if you had or had not tried it. There have been hundreds of threads on this topic and the overwhelming issue with 0 nicotine vaping from those who have tried it is, "no throat hit".

And just to be accurate, PG provides no throat hit. It only allows more of the throat hit through in comparison to VG eliquids, from the nicotine and the warmth of the vapor. If you can be content vaping 0 nic eliquid, then that is great and I am glad it is working for you. But let's not confuse some new person into thinking they can get throat hit with 0 nicotine eliquid, because they can't, plain and simple. There are too many who have tried it with the overwhelming evidence that 0 nic = 0 throat hit.

 

[sailorman]

You can restore some of the TH you lose with 0 nic VG/PG by adding some PGA (pure grain alcohol). About 5-10%, depending on what the VG content is. Everclear is best (and cheap) but you can use 98 Proof vodka if Everclear is not avilable where you live.

Nothing wrong with 0 Nic juice. I've made it myself, but I wouldn't use kitchen cabinet flavorings. I also wouldn't use no flavoring at all. But that's just me.

As for a source of VG. There are many online places that have good USP VG pretty cheap. One shop in particular has a 250ml bottle of it for $8. I've heard reports that the drugstore stuff has a funky taste. I'd at least get food grade VG. They use it to thin cake icing and the larger supermarkets should carry it.

 

[John D in CT]

"And just to be accurate, PG provides no throat hit".

Wow, that is just not accurate at all. How do I know for a fact that it isn't? Because there's a significant difference in throat hit between 0 nic PG and 0 nic VG. PG has a noticeable one, VG is far less so. "No throat hit" means just that. Maybe what you mean is "much less than with what I vape". Big difference. One is defensible, the other isn't.

"But let's not confuse some new person into thinking they can get throat hit with 0 nicotine eliquid, because they can't, plain and simple. There are too many who have tried it with the overwhelming evidence that 0 nic = 0 throat hit".

What's "plain and simple" to me is that vaping 0 nic PG has given me enough of a "smoking-like" experience (nice enough [for me] little "throat hit" included) to keep me off of analogs for 6 months, and almost effortlessly, and almost like magic. This from a person who LOVED to smoke, and has tried everything including cold turkey, the patch, gum, Chantix, Wellbutrin, and hypnosis.

I don't think your conclusions about the "zero throat hit" of 0 nic PG are accurate, and I think you do a disservice to anyone who is considering ditching addiction to nicotine by vaping it.

 

[sh_]

Thats an intersting topic for me.

I am vaping 6mg NIC and I have no TH at all... I am actually not a huge fun of the TH but I have to have a higher nic level flavor from times to times. In other hand I like the flavor specially from a few vendors.

I definitely do not vape any 24mg anymore and I am starting to take 18mg as too strong for me now, which is good. I always have some stronger nic around for those stress relieve moments tho.

Actually I tried a 1% flavor juice, which was no flavor at all for me and I didnt like it... I had to add more flavor to it but I really like to think that w/e keeps you away from the real thing is the best you can get, so good job! If that works for you just stick with it and you will be fine.

As far as the glycerin goes I would suggest you to get your VG or PG from an specific vendor (One STOP DIY is really good and I recommend it) but theres a few VG Kosher that you can find.

 

[scarlett faerie]

I looked in my spice cabinet and i have a bottle of Vanilla Extract which contains PG and is food safe.
Next i found 2 bottles of Almond and Lemon Extract both unlabled as to what they contain.
And i found a bottle of almond flavoring which says it contains alcohol,PG,and water.

Im wondering if i could try and vape these just straight up or maybe dilute them with water.

At the same time im tempted to go down to Walgreens and pick up this.
Africare.100% Glycerin | Walgreens

Its 6$ for 8.5oz or 250ml which is a lot cheaper then totallywicked e juice at 7.99$ for a 10ml bottle.

Now i believe im addicted to smoking not nicotine so having a 0 nic juice is no problem and my main question is if i can vape just straight up 100$ VG right out of the bottle like if i wanted a flavorless, nicotineless juice.

If you look at the product link you posted under "Warnings" it says for External Use Only.
If the glycerin doesn't say USP, I personally wouldn't vape it. Just my

 

[wv2win]

"And just to be accurate, PG provides no throat hit".

Wow, that is just not accurate at all. How do I know for a fact that it isn't? Because there's a significant difference in throat hit between 0 nic PG and 0 nic VG. PG has a noticeable one, VG is far less so. "No throat hit" means just that. Maybe what you mean is "much less than with what I vape". Big difference. One is defensible, the other isn't.

"But let's not confuse some new person into thinking they can get throat hit with 0 nicotine eliquid, because they can't, plain and simple. There are too many who have tried it with the overwhelming evidence that 0 nic = 0 throat hit".

What's "plain and simple" to me is that vaping 0 nic PG has given me enough of a "smoking-like" experience (nice enough [for me] little "throat hit" included) to keep me off of analogs for 6 months, and almost effortlessly, and almost like magic. This from a person who LOVED to smoke, and has tried everything including cold turkey, the patch, gum, Chantix, Wellbutrin, and hypnosis.

I don't think your conclusions about the "zero throat hit" of 0 nic PG are accurate, and I think you do a disservice to anyone who is considering ditching addiction to nicotine by vaping it.

Look, you have been here maybe a month and have a few posts. Many of us have been doing this for 2 - 3 years have read thousands of threads and used 15 or more PV's and tried just about every vaping method under the sun. In fact there was a thread within the last 6 months where several people vaped straight PG and reconfirmed there was absolutely no throat hit. There have even been chemists that have posted on this topic. And be assured, if people could get good throat hit with 0 nic eliquid, almost everyone would be using it and every supplier would be selling it.

Maybe with your limited experience you think what you are feeling (whatever that is) is throat hit with 0 nic eliquid but it is not the same thing that thousands of us who have been doing this a while, know and understand, is true throat hit.

And my concern (as well as the vast majority on ECF) is not what level of nic someone vapes. I don't care if they vape 0 or 36mg strength eliquid. My concern is that they are able to transition away from smoking and stay away from it because that is the real danger. The vast majority have found (and this is verified by thousands of posts) that they can only go so low on the nic level before the throat hit diminishes so much that smoking begins to look appealing again. You are in a very small miniority and I'm glad it is working for you. But making some new person think that 0 nicotine will work fine for them and they will get great throat hit using it, is doing them a disservice that could lead them back to smoking.

 

[wv2win]

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I am vaping 6mg NIC and I have no TH at all.......

Add one more to the vast majority here on ECF and other vaping sites that confirms what we all know.

 

[John D in CT]

Look, you have been here maybe a month and have a few posts. Many of us have been doing this for 2 - 3 years have read thousands of threads and used 15 or more PV's and tried just about every vaping method under the sun. In fact there was a thread within the last 6 months where several people vaped straight PG and reconfirmed there was absolutely no throat hit. There have even been chemists that have posted on this topic. And be assured, if people could get good throat hit with 0 nic eliquid, almost everyone would be using it and every supplier would be selling it.

Maybe with your limited experience you think what you are feeling (whatever that is) is throat hit with 0 nic eliquid but it is not the same thing that thousands of us who have been doing this a while, know and understand, is true throat hit.

I was waiting for that; the "I have more posts than you" line.

You look, Mr. "True Throat Hit" - don't tell me what I'm feeling and not feeling. I feel enough of a sensation, and have an acceptable enough "smoking-like" experience with 0 nic PG that I'm off of analogs, and off of nicotine. My point remains that I don't like seeing people dissuaded from going the 0 nicotine route because of what I consider to be, based on my own experience, as misinformation. I'll say again that your assertion that 0 nic PG has "no throat hit" is indefensible. I know this because despite your thousands of posts, I know what I feel when I vape 0 nic PG, and 0 nic VG. PG has some (enough for me), VG has far less.

"And be assured, if people could get good throat hit with 0 nic eliquid, almost everyone would be using it and every supplier would be selling it".

And be assured, your opinion of what an acceptable amount of throat hit is isn't universal and etched in stone. What you call "not good" I call "good enough for me", and probably good enough for a lot of people who might want to consider not being addicted to nicotine.

 

[wv2win]

I was waiting for that; the "I have more posts than you" line.

You look, Mr. "True Throat Hit" - don't tell me what I'm feeling and not feeling. I feel enough of a sensation, and have an acceptable enough "smoking-like" experience with 0 nic PG that I'm off of analogs, and off of nicotine. My point remains that I don't like seeing people dissuaded from going the 0 nicotine route because of what I consider to be, based on my own experience, as misinformation. I'll say again that your assertion that 0 nic PG has "no throat hit" is indefensible. I know this because despite your thousands of posts, I know what I feel when I vape 0 nic PG, and 0 nic VG. PG has some (enough for me), VG has far less.

"And be assured, if people could get good throat hit with 0 nic eliquid, almost everyone would be using it and every supplier would be selling it".

And be assured, your opinion of what an acceptable amount of throat hit is isn't universal and etched in stone. What you call "not good" I call "good enough for me", and probably good enough for a lot of people who might want to consider not being addicted to nicotine.

The only valid point you made was that "it was good enough for you". Your experience does NOT track with the vast majority is all I am saying and is supported by thousands of posts. I would rather help save thousands from smoking than a few from nicotine which is not a carcinogenic substance as used in vaping.

 

[John D in CT]

The only valid point you made was that "it was good enough for you". Your experience does NOT track with the vast majority is all I am saying and is supported by thousands of posts. I would rather help save thousands from smoking than a few from nicotine which is not a carcinogenic substance as used in vaping.

I'm sure that you're convinced that you're absolutely correct about everything we've been discussing, but you're obviously not, as evidenced by your saying "The only valid point you made was that "it was good enough for you" ".

I made at least one other valid point, and that is that your view that 0 nic PG has "no throat hit" is impossible to defend. For one thing - and think carefully about this - you didn't even consider what flavor I'm using. It's a very nice menthol from esmokeronline. In your many years of vaping, did you somehow come to the conclusion that flavor has no effect whatsoever on TH? If you did, I have reason to believe you're wrong. If you didn't, then I don't see how you could say categorically that "0 nic PG has zero throat hit".

I'm very careful about what I say, and how i say it. At no point did I say that "0 nic PG has a MONSTER throat hit - all anyone could ever want". I've said, and I repeat, that it has a detectable throat hit - more so than VG - that replicates the smoking experience satisfactorily enough that I haven't smoked a single analog in 6 months.

If you had said all along that 0 nic PG has a very low level of TH, we wouldn't be having this discussion. My main points remain that "very low" does not equal either "zero", or "universally unacceptable", and that people need not be unduly discouraged from kicking nicotine by being told that the experience of 0 nic won't be up to the task.

The TH that I'm feeling is obviously more subtle than what you experience, but it works for me, a point I'm happy to see you acknowledge. I have one final thought for you; do you know exactly what is happening physiologically that makes you feel that hit? is it possible that it's really no damn good for you, regardless of how much worse analogs are? Could it be that a person would be better off learning to appreciate a subtle throat hit, as well as a nicotine-free life, for a variety of health-related reasons?

 

[wv2win]

I really don't care if you are vaping menthol or adding pepper to your eliquid. 0 nicotine eliquid provides no "real, true thoat hit". I will agree that some substances like pepper will provide "throat irritation". I will agree that a few flavors such as menthol will provide a cooling stimualtion in the throat as it did if you smoked menthol cigarettes. For those of us who have been vaping for a number of years and for most who have been vaping for even a much shorter time frame, that is not true, good throat hit. It's not the same thing and not what is ment when using the term "throat hit" in the vaping world. If you want to refer to it as a throat irritation or stimulation, fine. But it is not "throat hit" as used by those who vape. They are definitely different and can easily confuse a new person. (which appears to be obvious) If you don't understand that difference, then you have never vaped higher nicotine eliquids (18 - 36) or you are not being forthright.

 

[John D in CT]

Well, I don't think you need to worry about me not being forthright. Re-read all of my posts in this thread and tell me if I've said anything that can even remotely be considered to be false. I've simply related my own experiences, and, I think, amply demonstrated that your assertion that 0 nic PG has "no throat hit" to be, as I say, indefensible. At the risk of repeating myself - if you had simply said it has "not nearly as much throat hit as PG with typical levels of nicotine", we would not be having this discussion.

And speaking of forthright, I said nothing about pepper. I've never added it, or any other ingredient, to my 0 nic menthol PG. As for "I really don't care if you are vaping menthol", I think you should, since I believe that menthols and mints, and quite possibly other flavors as well, give more of a sensation to the throat than others do; a sensation that I think can reasonably described as a "throat hit" that at least registers on the TH scale. Non-zero, in other words.

Your "not a true throat hit" line reminds me of the "no true Scotsman" canard. The story involves a Scotsman saying that no Scotsman would ever do such-and-such. When pointed out to him that a Scotsman had in fact done that very thing, his dodge was "well then, no true Scotsman would ever do such a thing". "True throat hit" is to me equally specious, arbitrary, and meaningless.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

And to quote Bill Murray, from Groundhog Day: "Ned, I could stand here and talk to you all day - but I'm not going to". Take a final swing if you like, but I'm not going to further bore any readers of this thread by responding. I'm pretty sure we've made our respective points sufficiently, if not ad nauseum.

Happy vaping.

 

[Bullmastiffguy]

K everyone has an opinion.
On the note of VG. Most pharmacy's have usp 100% glycerin, it's pretty thick straight so water it down with some distilled.
In Canada its about $50 for 4l, and you can get PG for around $40 for 4l. One stop shop.