Question about mods, ohms, amps, and not setting fire to my flat

[Captain Kristoff]

Hey guys, I'm new!

So I've been vaping for a few years. Started on cig-a-like, moved onto an ego style, now currently using an Innokin itaste vv3 with a kanger mini protank with 1.5 ohm dual coil heads, but I'm looking to get into mods. The problem is I was never good at electronics... I'm not gonna even attempt RDAs or RBAs, that would be suicide. I've been eyeing up a VHO Titan and was thinking about pairing it with an Aspire Triton or joyetech Ego One Mega tank using a Sony 18650 VTC4 or VTC5 battery. Is this safe?! The Triton has a 0.4 ohm coil pre installed and the Ego Mega has a 0.2 ohm coil. Should I be looking at a 40W battery or is 30W ok? Like I say I don't know much here so any advice would be really appreciated! Tell me if I'm running before I can walk....

 

[nyiddle]

Hey guys, I'm new!

So I've been vaping for a few years. Started on cig-a-like, moved onto an ego style, now currently using an Innokin itaste vv3 with a kanger mini protank with 1.5 ohm dual coil heads, but I'm looking to get into mods. The problem is I was never good at electronics... I'm not gonna even attempt RDAs or RBAs, that would be suicide. I've been eyeing up a VHO Titan and was thinking about pairing it with an Aspire Triton or Joyetech Ego One Mega tank using a Sony 18650 VTC4 or VTC5 battery. Is this safe?! The Triton has a 0.4 ohm coil pre installed and the Ego Mega has a 0.2 ohm coil. Should I be looking at a 40W battery or is 30W ok? Like I say I don't know much here so any advice would be really appreciated! Tell me if I'm running before I can walk....

So here's a question: Why do you want to go to mechanical mods? The VHO Titan is a very basic telescoping mechanical mod. In general, for tanks with pre-built heads, a regulated mod with variable voltage/wattage is far preferable to a mechanical mod, as it allows you to dial in your preferred voltage or wattage to attain the vape that's comfortable for you. With a mechanical mod, you're at the mercy of your battery, which (at full charge) will output ~4.2V, and at the lower-end of it's charge output ~3.8V. If it just so happens that you prefer to vape at 5V, or 3V, you're outta luck. Mech mods output the nominal voltage of the 18650 battery you put inside. You mention "should I be looking at a 40W/30W battery" -- with mech mods, you're not looking at either. You're merely looking at which 18650 is practical for your application.

Which brings me to my next point: Don't fire lower than .3 ohm coils on any 18650 battery on the market. Your .4 ohm coil would probably be fine, might even perform well, on a mech mod. Your .2 ohm coil will bring you above the amp limit (21A) of any 18650 on the market. There are some "30A" batteries available, but their actual amperage/C rating is suspect and frequently debated on here. The formal battery tests often disagree with the reported specs of the battery, which is disconcerting if you're putting faith in being able to fire above a certain amperage.

I digress. Unless you're specifically intent on the look and feel of a mechanical mod, and unless you're willing to learn the intricacies of battery safety/resistance/ohms/amp draw, you're much, much better off getting a high-powered regulated mod.

 

[Baditude]

I've been eyeing up a VHO Titan and was thinking about pairing it with an Aspire Triton or Joyetech Ego One Mega tank using a Sony 18650 VTC4 or VTC5 battery. Is this safe?! The Triton has a 0.4 ohm coil pre installed and the Ego Mega has a 0.2 ohm coil.

I agree completely with nyiddle above.

Although the VHO Titan appears to be a very well made mechanical mod, it appears to have a glaring safety issue. I see absolutely no evidence that it has any ventilation holes in case a battery vents in thermal runaway. This deficiency could allow this particular mod to become a pipe bomb. Sealed metal tubes will probably explode if a battery vents violently



Additionally, In some mechanical mods you can put a Kick into the mod to make it a variable wattage regulated mod (which also provides some protection circuitry). However, the inside of the Titan appears to be anodized according to Grimm Green, which prevents using a Kick.




Is there a particular reason why you would choose a mechanical mod over a regulated mod? With a mech you have no protection circuitry, no way to adjust your vape on the fly, and no way to check your battery or coil resistance on the fly.

Since you are admittedly new to mods, I think you should continue to research and educate yourself more about mods and Ohm's Law before you make your final purchase. If you are not willing to put in this legwork, you have no business using a mechanical mod in my opinion.

Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder - From cigalike batteries, to eGo's, to mods. Another picture dictionary of terminology and form factors for beginning vapers. Includes videos. Contains the pro's & cons of mechanical mods vs regulated mods.

Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers - My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in simple layman terms and how it relates to vaping.

Explain it to the Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations - As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.

Should I be looking at a 40W battery or is 30W ok? Like I say I don't know much here so any advice would be really appreciated! Tell me if I'm running before I can walk....

First of all, in reality there are no 18650 batteries with more than 30 amps. Anything advertised with more than 30 amps is advertising hype or false specifications. Independent bench tests of current batteries on the market show that most batteries advertising 30 amps or more only have a 20 amp continuous discharge rate. Only a couple of batteries on the market actually have 30 amps continuous discharge rate.

Purple Efest Batteries: Not As Advertised
There are no 18650 batteries with a genuine rating over 30A!
Battery Pulse Ratings Are Useless

Battery Basics for Mods
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries
18650 Safety Grades -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With​

 

[Captain Kristoff]

Yeah running before I can walk hey. So I was looking at taking a step up from where I am and the logical step was to a high powered regulated mod like you all say, but I'm not into box mods and didn't want something huge that resembled a lightsaber... The world of mech mods was shiny and exciting so I did some reading up but obv it's going to take a lot more than that and the words 'pipe bomb' substantiate my initial concerns!

 

[Baditude]

Yeah running before I can walk hey. So I was looking at taking a step up from where I am and the logical step was to a high powered regulated mod like you all say, but I'm not into box mods and didn't want something huge that resembled a lightsaber... The world of mech mods was shiny and exciting so I did some reading up but obv it's going to take a lot more than that and the words 'pipe bomb' substantiate my initial concerns!

Now you are talking more wisely.

I use primarily a mechanical mod myself. However, I understand the potential failings a mechanical mod has, know about vaping safely and battery limits, and know enough about Ohm's Law to keep me out of trouble. I use a Silver Bullet mechanical which has a recessed side fire button designed to vent gas and uses a hot spring designed to collapse when a battery gets hot, thereby breaking the connection between the atomizer and the battery. IMHO it is one of the safer mechanical mods on the market. Inexpensive Mechanical Mod and RDA Setup

The vast majority of regulated mods have difficulty fitting the DNA circuit boards into tubes because of their size, so they tend to be used in box mods. However, Provape makes a tube-shaped regulated mod with their own non-DNA processor which is made here in the USA. You can use an 18350, 18500, or 18650 battery to either shorten or lengthen the tube to the size you want. It can fire a 0.5 ohm coil. I use a Provari P3 with an 18350 battery and it is short enough to easily fit into a front pocket.

I'm admittedly a huge fan of the Provari. Why Provari?


P3 Provari in 18350 form

 

[Captain Kristoff]

Hmmmm. The Provari sounds like a good option and I see all the rave reviews. Thanks for taking the time and all the links Much appreciated

 

[Captain Kristoff]

and yeah I'll do a lot more reading into Ohm's Law before I make the step up to mech mods! Again, thanks for the advice

 

[Two_Bears]

Yeah running before I can walk hey. So I was looking at taking a step up from where I am and the logical step was to a high powered regulated mod like you all say, but I'm not into box mods and didn't want something huge that resembled a lightsaber... The world of mech mods was shiny and exciting so I did some reading up but obv it's going to take a lot more than that and the words 'pipe bomb' substantiate my initial concerns!

I prefer regulated mods.

I used to use the eleaf istick40tc. It's a good little mod.

The IPV D2 is a nice mod not big and heavy.

It uses a single 18650 replaceable battery and goes up to 75 watts

 

[Two_Bears]

I agree completely with nyiddle above.

Although the VHO Titan appears to be a very well made mechanical mod, it appears to have a glaring safety issue. I see absolutely no evidence that it has any ventilation holes in case a battery vents in thermal runaway. This deficiency could allow this particular mod to become a pipe bomb. Sealed metal tubes will probably explode if a battery vents violently



Additionally, In some mechanical mods you can put a Kick into the mod to make it a variable wattage regulated mod (which also provides some protection circuitry). However, the inside of the Titan appears to be anodized according to Grimm Green, which prevents using a Kick.




Is there a particular reason why you would choose a mechanical mod over a regulated mod? With a mech you have no protection circuitry, no way to adjust your vape on the fly, and no way to check your battery or coil resistance on the fly.

Since you are admittedly new to mods, I think you should continue to research and educate yourself more about mods and Ohm's Law before you make your final purchase. If you are not willing to put in this legwork, you have no business using a mechanical mod in my opinion.

Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder - From cigalike batteries, to eGo's, to mods. Another picture dictionary of terminology and form factors for beginning vapers. Includes videos. Contains the pro's & cons of mechanical mods vs regulated mods.

Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers - My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in simple layman terms and how it relates to vaping.

Explain it to the Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations - As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.


First of all, in reality there are no 18650 batteries with more than 30 amps. Anything advertised with more than 30 amps is advertising hype or false specifications. Independent bench tests of current batteries on the market show that most batteries advertising 30 amps or more only have a 20 amp continuous discharge rate. Only a couple of batteries on the market actually have 30 amps continuous discharge rate.

Purple Efest Batteries: Not As Advertised
There are no 18650 batteries with a genuine rating over 30A!
Battery Pulse Ratings Are Useless

Battery Basics for Mods
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries
18650 Safety Grades -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With​

I agree. I hate mech mods because the mech gives you every bit of power the battery has

My friend Jon S likes the hammer because of how hard it hits.

He bought a Subtank Mini and was showing it to me. I asked him if he had a regulated mod to Fire it on. His reply I'm going to use it on my hammer. I said " please don't do that because the OCC heads are rated by for 30-35 watts. He would not take no for an answer fired the hammer onceband burned out the cotton wick. A few days later hevwas rocking the STM on a Wismec 40 watt regulated mod.