Question about steeping and PG/VG mix

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TrickL

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I tried to find a post about how to steep, why steep, and if all flavors should be, but didn't have much luck. I got butterscotch e-juice today after trying it in my local B&M store, but it just tasted...off, to me. Was wondering if it may need to steep, after reading several treads about juice. Also my local shop only does 80Vg/20pg mixes. I love their RY4 mix, but wondered if I should try that flavor in a 50/50 mix to get more flavor from it.

any advice, suggestions, input is greatly appreciated.
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When it comes to steeping you can let it sit in a drawer or cupboard for a few days to a few weeks, giving it a shake when you think about it - I usually open it up for a few seconds before shaking to let it breath. You can speed the process by giving it a warm water bath (no hotter than 120F) in an insulated coffee cup filled to the bottles neck. I let it sit in the water 20-30 minutes, then let it come to room temp and repeat 2 times as needed.

Then there is airing out a mixture. I do this if I get an alcohol or chemical from the mix. I just take the cap off the bottle overnight up to 24 (I never leave it uncapped for more than 24 hours. TBH I've only had to air out a few mixes and then only once longer than overnight) hours to let the alcohol evaporate. Hope that helps.

About the PG/VG mixes. Higher PG mixes do tend to carry the flavoring a little better, but I believe that's only in the beginning because VG is thicker and it takes longer (steeping) for the flavor molecules to combine with the VG. Just my :2c:

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Typically it's tobacco followed by creams having the longest steep times. And fruits generally the least. Tobaccos can range from zero to more typically 1 to 4 weeks. Some flavors (and therefore juices) also contain alcohol. This is generally addressed by covering with paper (for example, paper towel and rubber band) and leaving in a warm spot for 24 hours.

Typically smell will alert you to the presence of alcohol. Otherwise rely on your sense of taste. If there's no alcohol, I'd give it 72 hours and then try again.

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Dang that Steve types fast. :)
 

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Awesome tips! Thanks. I was able to try the butterscotch at the B&M. Slightly higher nic content (24 as opposed to 18). I am wondering if it may have alcohol. Can't bring myself to taste test it again right now. Lol. I will let in air tonight and see if that helps. The smell is incredibly strong. Does steeping intensify flavors? If it gets any stronger I doubt I'll be able to use it. Does anyone steep RY4? Thanks again!
 
I prefer VG (that's why I loved the taste of Blu when I started), but I've found that too much VG clogs up my coils so easily. I wish I could just go full on VG, but now am only doing like 20% because of the clog issue. Do you find it does the same? If it doesn't, I'd love to know what kind of tank you are using - I much prefer the taste, but the VG just makes me have to replace the heads constantly. If I could find a tank that doesn't do that, I'd be psyched.
 

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I prefer VG (that's why I loved the taste of Blu when I started), but I've found that too much VG clogs up my coils so easily. I wish I could just go full on VG, but now am only doing like 20% because of the clog issue. Do you find it does the same? If it doesn't, I'd love to know what kind of tank you are using - I much prefer the taste, but the VG just makes me have to replace the heads constantly. If I could find a tank that doesn't do that, I'd be psyched.

When I started vaping I was using a Regular and Mini Protank II. I didn't find high VG mixes clogging my coil, but what I did find was that the thickness of VG leads to bad wicking. That can be solved by adding a couple of drops of Distilled Water or PGA or even Vodka to a tank to thin the mix out.

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Edit What I find to be real coil gunkers or wick cloggers are dark mixes and mixes that contain sugar/corn syrup. YMMV
 
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Shake it up well each time you go to use it. If the flavor ends up being too strong, you could always dilute it down a little with glycerin. I bought some at Rite Aid for about $6. Works great!

Does steeping intensify? Hmm. It mellows or changes, but I can't say intensifies, in my experience. It rounds them out? But definitely, if it has a chemical taste or smell, leave the cap off overnight, put it in a dark (safe) cabinet, away from kids or pets. Shake it up well, see if it's changed in fragrance at all. Put a little in a clearo or whatever you're using and try it out if smells better to you. Works for me. :)
 

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I prefer VG (that's why I loved the taste of Blu when I started), but I've found that too much VG clogs up my coils so easily. I wish I could just go full on VG, but now am only doing like 20% because of the clog issue. Do you find it does the same? If it doesn't, I'd love to know what kind of tank you are using - I much prefer the taste, but the VG just makes me have to replace the heads constantly. If I could find a tank that doesn't do that, I'd be psyched.

Ez does it is a strawberry water melon 10/90 pg/vg flavor that has yet to clog my kanger pro tank mini. The only reason I haven't gone pure vg is my local shops don't carry any. so without trying it first, I don't want to drop a bunch of cash online just to find out that I don't like it. Where do you get your pure vg flavors?

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I just had a 1.8 coil burn out ? (Kanger mini pro tank 2) In less then a day. I had been using a 2.5 but local B&M recommended 1.8 for a better hit. So I'm not sure why that one burnt out so soon. Just put my remaining 1.8 in. Hoping it will last longer. I may try and buy some juice online with a lower VG level. My batteries are a standard 3.7 v eGo T 650 mah and an ego vv pass through battery (used at between 3.0 and 3.7 v trying to find the sweet spot). Any ideas on why the last coil burnt out so quickly?
 

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Thanks I may try building my own at some point, but not quite ready for that yet. I may see if my local B&M will exchange the head since I bought it yesterday. Need to order more online as the prices are much better then the shop.

I've bought them from here before. It's a reputable place and in the USA with fast shipping:
Kanger ProTank & Evod Coil Replacement **5 Pack - 2.2 ohms

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Steve

Edit They have all the different ohm choices - I just linked you to the 2.2 ohm coils

Edit 2 Here's the link with all the flavors:
http://www.discountvapers.com/kanger-replacement-coil-heads/
 
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It was suggested to me that if you want to speed up the steeping to set your bottles in a window. The sunlight and heat helps speed the process. I wouldn't suggest doing it in the heat of the summer but the UV seems to help the process. I have mine all lined up in a row on my kitchen window ledge. Will let you know what happens! :facepalm:
 

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Steve for the win in this thread! I was gonna suggest Discount Vapers, too, but Steve's the man.

I can't say enough good stuff about DV. REALLY fast shipping, never had a bad item from them. Good people. Even though I do build, I order some from him, too from time to time. They're handy to carry around for those unexpected moments and I don't carry all the stuff with me. I lose things. :glare:
 

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Thanks so much! I'll be ordering some in a bit. Awesome idea about the window. Let me know how it goes. I left the butterscotch uncapped for about 24 hours, but with the eye dropper tip still on. It still has a pretty strong smell, so that one may just have to "age" as I don't have an ultra sonic cleaner to speed it up. Glad to hear that DV has good reviews.
 

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TrickL,

kidbeaster posted the below in another thread earlier today, and it's a fantastic reference:

"I found this article a while back and it just made sense. I take my juice and set it on a lamp, on top of an energy efficient bulb. It gets very warm but not hot. I also shake it up different times throughout the day.5-6 hours and I'm ready to vape. I tried other methods and they didn't make any difference.

Guide to Steeping - The Why & How

A question often asked is “What is steeping?”, closely followed by “How long should I steep a Liquid”?

Essentially steeping (in the context that we are interested in, i.e. for e-liquids), is a process, or number of process, used to blend, age and mature an e-liquid, to the point where the best flavour can be obtained from vaping it.

Steeping can be observed in the manufacture of lots of things, for example, alcohol and the food industry. Anyone that’s made a Christmas pudding will know about allowing it time to mature and develop, or soaking the fruit in an alcohol overnight (steeping).

Steeping will provide the best possible flavour from our e-juice by rounding out any harsh flavours, blending multiple flavours together, developing, maturing or ageing flavours. Flavorings need to completely diffuse into the types of base liquids we use, these need time to bond molecularly with any single or combination of base liquids used in a mix (Nic base, PG, VG, etc).

In addition, air is required to interact with the liquid, this causes oxidation, replenishing the air in the bottle will help oxidation and in turn quicken steeping, leaving the cap off helps (but make sure it is in a safe position).

As a juice steeps it will normally darken, this can be an indication to when a liquid has matured (molecular interaction with nicotine causes this - I have noticed the higher nicotine content, the quicker a juice will mature and darker the liquid will become).

Steeping methods that have been tried and tested and proved (if not always scientifically) vary and some are listed below.

Steeping will nearly always improve a e-liquid, I don’t know of any that have worsened.

Various methods used to steep e-liquids

Time.

The first and most traditional method of steeping is “Time”. Leaving the top off the bottle (allowing air to get to it) will steep and improve a juice by itself, this is usually done by placing the opened bottle in a warm dark place for anything from a day or two up to a week, occasionally giving the bottle a squeeze to expel the air in it and replenish it with fresh air. Benefits are naturally steeped and matured juice, disadvantage, the length of time it takes.

Steeping however, in particular the time element, can be reduced by also employing a number of additional methods.

Agitation.

Vigourous shaking, stirring, etc will help, allow time for the air bubbles to rise to the surface and then repeat again (as many times as you can/want).

Water Bath Heating.

Putting the bottle of juice in a warm (not hot) water bath will shorten the time it takes to mature a juice, it firstly thins the liquid and allows interchange and fusion at a molecular level. However, Heat is an enemy of Nicotine, it will degrade the Nic content if too hot. Warm not Hot water is advised.

Microwave.

Another method of heating is a microwave. This acts like above, but also has another action thought to do with increased molecular particle fusion when juice is blasted with microwaves. Once again, Heat is an enemy of Nicotine, so use in short 1 sec bursts to get it warm, not hot. Oh, and take the cap off first.

Using any (or a combination) of the above methods and then allowing time in a warm dark place, will improve any e-liquid considerably.

Other agitation methods have been employed successfully, including placing bottles in a rotating polisher (for polishing gem stones etc), using a vibrating electrical orbital sander, one report of a person wrapping a bottle in cloth and putting it inside the hubcap of his car for the duration of his daily travel.

Ultrasonics.

This method combines Vibration from ultrasonic frequency or pulses of energy, with or without a warm water bath, reports have been very encouraging when using this method, some say reducing 2 weeks of steeping time to a single day.

Chemical additions. There are new developments all the time, and I am sure that development on this is ongoing, however at this time no successfully reported methods have been noted and anyway, I am not a lover of adding chemicals.

So I can see the next question is going to be….. How long do I let a juice steep?

The Answer is “As long as it takes”. No two juices are the same, or will taste the same to you or me…. I would suggest the only person that can answer that is you…. It may be as little as a day or two. But, you will have to experiment, one thing is definite, given time to mature and using some of the methods above, they will improve from the first opening of a bottle..

This is a recommendation for all shop purchased e-liquids not just ours, all will improve with some steeping, manufactures usually bottle as soon as a juice is made, this halts the steeping process to a degree, employing the "cap off and dark warm place method", will improve 99.9% of juices.

I am sure that many users do not obtain the full potential from purchased juices because they do not allow adequate time for it to mature and reach its optimum flavour.

Employing some of the above methods will hopefully reduce the “wait time”, and give you more pleasure from your chosen juice.
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