Question and concern from a new user

[flinflon]

Hello

I successfully stopped using 'combustible' cigarettes almost three weeks ago.

I notice that almost ALL discussions are about the juice.

I, myself, am not concerned about the juice (too much) - yes nicotine, but what I'm more afraid of are the e-cigarettes themselves.

This concerns me and I recently chatted with someone who's been to china (where almost ALL are made)

-Lead element on the heating device

-PVS and other bad chemicals in the plastic

-the wick materials

-general safety standards at the factories (THERE ARE NONE!)

-general effects of heating up all elements within the carto/atmo/izer, etc


There's an easy solution. Make ALL materials in countries with high standards (for example: aus, japan, EU, USA, Canada, etc)

I think this is something big tobacco can pull out and use against the e-cig industry and this is easy to fix.

As of now, there is NO regulation to the construction of the e-ciggs, they're made in basement sweat-shops over China.

Thoughts?

 

[Burn_notice_fan_NY]

Sounds like you are going to eventually end up with a provari.

 

[yzer]

Every time I want home furnishings of top of the line quality and built from the very finest materials I go to Ikea.

 

[VapieDan]

Hello

I successfully stopped using 'combustible' cigarettes almost three weeks ago.

I notice that almost ALL discussions are about the juice.

I, myself, am not concerned about the juice (too much) - yes nicotine, but what I'm more afraid of are the e-cigarettes themselves.

This concerns me and I recently chatted with someone who's been to china (where almost ALL are made)

-Lead element on the heating device

-PVS and other bad chemicals in the plastic

-the wick materials

-general safety standards at the factories (THERE ARE NONE!)

-general effects of heating up all elements within the carto/atmo/izer, etc


There's an easy solution. Make ALL materials in countries with high standards (for example: aus, japan, EU, USA, Canada, etc)

I think this is something big tobacco can pull out and use against the e-cig industry and this is easy to fix.

As of now, there is NO regulation to the construction of the e-ciggs, they're made in basement sweat-shops over China.

Thoughts?

Many high quality E-Liquids are manufactured in the USA and UK as well as other European nations. No fear there. The above dangers you stated were involved with early devices. They have been solved if present at all. Bear in mind there are many thousands of known carcinogens in every tobacco cigarette. Assuming there are some trace elements in Electronic Cigarettes you are far much safer. Here is some reading for you to get all the facts.

Learn About Electronic Cigarettes

 

[VapieDan]

Dekang is a leader in manufacture of liquids in China. Not a sweatshop to be sure.


DEKANG

 

[mschnabel]

Well not be to rude, but just because someone has been to China doesn't mean they are in the underground world of mods/attys and the rabrication process. But yes you should be concerned. Always check the manufacturing company... there are some well known ones for clones if you are concerned with the manufacturing (HCigar, EHPro, Inifinite).

The wick materials... how is that a concern? People can do whatever they want with whatever they want. The FDA is not going to regulate silica, cotton, rayon, quartz, etc just because someone has put that in their rda/rba.

It is an issue about the construction process and that is why you always need to be aware of the issues that could potentially happen. shorting out, over heating, venting of batteries and other battery safety.

Big tobacco could and will try whatever they can to get this market shut down or at least minimize for their own profits, it is our job as a community to advocate for the safety and regulation of the quality of materials and juice made to ensure that we are heard by our local representatives.

 

[VapieDan]

Well not be to rude, but just because someone has been to China doesn't mean they are in the underground world of mods/attys and the rabrication process. But yes you should be concerned. Always check the manufacturing company... there are some well known ones for clones if you are concerned with the manufacturing (HCigar, EHPro, Inifinite).

The wick materials... how is that a concern? People can do whatever they want with whatever they want. The FDA is not going to regulate silica, cotton, rayon, quartz, etc just because someone has put that in their rda/rba.

It is an issue about the construction process and that is why you always need to be aware of the issues that could potentially happen. shorting out, over heating, venting of batteries and other battery safety.

Big tobacco could and will try whatever they can to get this market shut down or at least minimize for their own profits, it is our job as a community to advocate for the safety and regulation of the quality of materials and juice made to ensure that we are heard by our local representatives.

Misinformation is accepted as fact. Truth is ignored. Politics 101.

 

[flinflon]

Well not be to rude, but just because someone has been to China doesn't mean they are in the underground world of mods/attys and the rabrication process. But yes you should be concerned. Always check the manufacturing company... there are some well known ones for clones if you are concerned with the manufacturing (HCigar, EHPro, Inifinite).

The wick materials... how is that a concern? People can do whatever they want with whatever they want. The FDA is not going to regulate silica, cotton, rayon, quartz, etc just because someone has put that in their rda/rba.

It is an issue about the construction process and that is why you always need to be aware of the issues that could potentially happen. shorting out, over heating, venting of batteries and other battery safety.

Big tobacco could and will try whatever they can to get this market shut down or at least minimize for their own profits, it is our job as a community to advocate for the safety and regulation of the quality of materials and juice made to ensure that we are heard by our local representatives.

AGAIN, not talking about the liquids

AND - I have, or my friend has proof as to the construction of most E-cigarettes and how dangerous they are. (lead, mercury, PVCs) we don't know the effects on the lungs ...

I want the e-cig to be safe and the manufacturing regulated

 

[flinflon]

difference is, you don't heat up IKEA and breath it into your lungs

 

[flinflon]

not talking about the liquids, please read post

 

[Topwater Elvis]

AGAIN, not talking about the liquids

AND - I have, or my friend has proof as to the construction of most E-cigarettes and how dangerous they are. (lead, mercury, PVCs) we don't know the effects on the lungs ...

I want the e-cig to be safe and the manufacturing regulated

Extremely broad statements without qualification of which devices you are inquiring about (have proof of harmful / dangerous byproducts) are almost impossible to discus.
Exactly what brand / model are these e cigarettes you're talking about?

 

[flinflon]

I don't know the specific brands. Why is everyone getting so aggressive here. We have NO IDEA where and how and what's in the devices yet we're heating up elements of heavy metals and plastics and inhaling them telling people they're better than combustibles. makes no sense

 

[yzer]

difference is, you don't heat up IKEA and breath it into your lungs

True. You buy stuff there and send it to the landfill four years later.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Flinflon, cigarettes are made with great care and unsurpassed attention to health and safety. If ecigs scare you so much, maybe smoking is a better alternative.
Or, you could always buy an American made device, build your own coil and put yourself at the tip of the spear for quality control.

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

I don't know the specific brands. Why is everyone getting so aggressive here. We have NO IDEA where and how and what's in the devices yet we're heating up elements of heavy metals and plastics and inhaling them telling people they're better than combustibles. makes no sense

That is where you are wrong. I know exactly what is in my eliquid, I know exactly what my heating element is made from, I know exactly what my wicking material is, I know exactly what material my topper is made of, and that is all that matters. Nothing else touches your mouth or lungs. Just because you haven't done any research and have no idea what you are talking about doesn't mean that other people also are as clueless as you. It's not "WE" have no idea, it is "YOU" that has no idea. Just do some research....

EDIT: Also, there are no heavy metals in ejuice if they are manufactured correctly. Also what do you mean by heating plastic? There is no plastic being heated or inhaled while vaping.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Aggressive? You made a statement that you or a friend has proof,,, what proof?, what devices?, what byproducts are you talking about?

YOU may have no idea "where and how and what's in the devices" but we are confident in the results of actual scientific studies that have determined exactly whats in them.

You have proof of harmful / dangerous byproducts but don't know the specific brands from which they are derived,,, uhmm.

Congratulations on 3 weeks smoke free.

 

[Burn_notice_fan_NY]

Flinflon....
While it may be true that the original ecigs may have had these issues and some MAY still have them today, you are responsible with your own choices. If you don't want to buy Chinese items or other countries that may lack quality control, then don't. Buy a provari from the US or any other ecig manufactured from a company out of a country you deem acceptable. Here is a good guide to mods from the US to get you started. USA-Made Electronic Cigarettes: Comprehensive List - Vapegrl

The Zenesis and Patriot are USA toppers. I'm sure there is a greater list.

Most of us are here to find a safer alternative to smoking. I am content with what I found (MVP2, Protank2 and my ViviNovas are my daily vape. I recoil my atty heads myself and fill with cotton. Hopefully this helps you out. I know I was concerned about safety when I started but am more confident now. May you find a setup that you are pleased with.

 

[flinflon]

That is where you are wrong. I know exactly what is in my eliquid, I know exactly what my heating element is made from, I know exactly what my wicking material is, I know exactly what material my topper is made of, and that is all that matters. Nothing else touches your mouth or lungs. Just because you haven't done any research and have no idea what you are talking about doesn't mean that other people also are as clueless as you. It's not "WE" have no idea, it is "YOU" that has no idea. Just do some research....

EDIT: Also, there are no heavy metals in ejuice if they are manufactured correctly. Also what do you mean by heating plastic? There is no plastic being heated or inhaled while vaping.

well, I never made a comment about the ejuice, i was talking about the ecig device itself

I was talking about the heavy metals in the device where are you getting your information from? how do you know how your ecig is made?

 

[Viola]

I switched to vaping because of 2 things. (1) Smoking was killing me and I could feel it happening. I could barely breath, had no energy, my blood pressure was sky high. (2) The huge expense of smoking cigarettes.

I didn't switch to quit smoking analogs entirely, I just wanted to cut down the cost, quitting cigs was just a very pleasant side effect.

But after just a few months, I can breathe again, my blood pressure is lower, I can walk 1 mile without feeling like I'm dragging just to make it back home! I don't stink, and my flavored e liquids taste and smell wonderful.

In my opinion, the benefits outweigh any possible bad side effects. The plastic parts of my pv don't get hot. Just the metal part. I'm not saying it's perfectly safe. It probably isn't. But it's is one heck of a lot better than smoking for me.

Vaping is a personal choice and so is the equipment the vaper uses. I hope you find something that works for you and you keep on vaping!

 

[flinflon]

Thanks! Great response.

I use vapor zone and they have no info as to where there ecigs are made. Judging the plethora of stock photos, it's worrying