Questions regarding first mech mod

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Bad Ninja

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I`ve done my homework on mechs long before I got the ones i have now and spent countless hours on reading and learning about battery safety.



On top of that i actually work with high power cables with an amount of power that would make a 18650 blush, so I have a pretty good understanding of what would happen if i do anything dumb with a high discharge cell that is positioned in my foodhole.

I just wanted to know wich way the cell should be put in the mod to be safe.
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Dont take this the wrong way but the above post is scary.

Mech mod= basic flashlight tech.

The body of the mod serves as part of the circuit.
That's how they work.
Flipping the battery will technically still allow the mod to function, however if you tear the wrapper inserting the battery it causes an instant hard short against the tube wall and cell, and will cause your cell to go thermal.

Its never recommended by experienced vapers who have actual experience with high discharge lithium cells.
Yes, some cloud bros do this.
They are neither experienced nor intelligent.

Positive down is favored by those who use such low resistances that a vent is something to be planned for rather than planned to be avoided.

Yeah 5 out of 6 players think Russian Roulette is perfectly safe.

Only a fool would plan for a catastrophic battery failure while sucking on it.
:facepalm:

There is ZERO benefit and exponentially increased risk.
No reason whatsoever to do it.

Sorry, I have over 100 mechs and more experience with mech mods than most Modders.
A flipped battery in a mech is something that should never be advised in any thread with "my first mech" in the title.
 

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Dont take this the wrong way but the above post is scary.

Mech mod= basic flashlight tech.

The body of the mod serves as part of the circuit.
That's how they work.
Flipping the battery will technically still allow the mod to function, however if you tear the wrapper inserting the battery it causes an instant hard short against the tube wall and cell, and will cause your cell to go thermal.

Its never recommended by experienced vapers who have actual experience with high discharge lithium cells.
Yes, some cloud bros do this.
They are neither experienced nor intelligent.



Yeah 5 out of 6 players think Russian Roulette is perfectly safe.

Only a fool would plan for a catastrophic battery failure while sucking on it.
:facepalm:

There is ZERO benefit and exponentially increased risk.
No reason whatsoever to do it.

Sorry, I have over 100 mechs and more experience with mech mods than most Modders.
A flipped battery in a mech is something that should never be advised in any thread with "my first mech" in the title.

Scary how? I`m sorry If im missing something here...
 

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Scary how? I`m sorry If im missing something here...

Again, dont take this the wrong way.

You said you did research and posted you have experience with electricity.

However you didnt research how a mechanical actually works.
Which is extremely important.

(Its the same design as a flashlight with a coil instead of a bulb.)

Im not bashing or giving you grief, just pointing out that your disclaimers didnt help.

If you apply your experience and electrical knowledge, and research the design, you should see the obvious dangers of flipping a cell.

Know your gear.
Vape safe.
 
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GeekVape Karma - my first and only, cheap, safe (insulation between the tube and battery), good looking, repelling magnets. I love it!


You'd think it was well thought out.... until you look at the flush pin on the atty geekvape sells as a package with the tube.
:facepalm:
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I dont think they have alot of experience with mechanicals either.
 

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Again, dont take this the wrong way.

You said you did research and posted you have experience with electricity.

However you didnt research how a mechanical actually works.
Which is extremely important.

(Its the same design as a flashlight with a coil instead of a bulb.)

Im not bashing or giving you grief, just pointing out that your disclaimers didnt help.

If you apply your experience and electrical knowledge, and research the design, you should see the obvious dangers of flipping a cell.

Know your gear.
Vape safe.

Oh, i dont mind. Keep throwing pointers my way! I have a good understanding on how a mech works, it´s just that i watched a video last night while i was building some coils, and the dude Went something like "Yea i like having my positive facing down" wich made me Think and therefore i asked here.
 

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Quick question, which side does a battery usually vent from? Positive or does it just tear down from below?

Asking because all the avid lyfe mods have the vent holes in the bottom of the mod towards the switch.

I believe with those it would be safer even if a Wrap gets torn while inserting to the mod as the circuit will be completed when you press the switch and giving the positive charge to the body while the atty pin will be contacting the battery negative.

That way, a torn Wrap can't make a hard short as long as the switch isn't activated.

Just my opinion.


2+2=5 [emoji102]
 

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Quick question, which side does a battery usually vent from? Positive or does it just tear down from below?

Asking because all the avid lyfe mods have the vent holes in the bottom of the mod towards the switch.

I believe with those it would be safer even if a Wrap gets torn while inserting to the mod as the circuit will be completed when you press the switch and giving the positive charge to the body while the atty pin will be contacting the battery negative.

That way, a torn Wrap can't make a hard short as long as the switch isn't activated.

Just my opinion.


2+2=5 [emoji102]

It will instantly short.
Unless you have xray vision, you cannot see the wrap AS the battery is being inserted.

I wont repost it, but there is a video of some genius doing this inside a vape store at a cloud comp.

His mod blows apart before he can take a draw. The vape store employee installed the battery.


Everyone's an adult here, so feel free to risk all you like, but you wont see me condoning actions like this.

There is NO benefit, only increased risk of harm.
 

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Quick question, which side does a battery usually vent from? Positive or does it just tear down from below?

Asking because all the avid lyfe mods have the vent holes in the bottom of the mod towards the switch.

I believe with those it would be safer even if a Wrap gets torn while inserting to the mod as the circuit will be completed when you press the switch and giving the positive charge to the body while the atty pin will be contacting the battery negative.

That way, a torn Wrap can't make a hard short as long as the switch isn't activated.

Just my opinion.


2+2=5 [emoji102]

A battery vents from the positive. So the idea is that by having it positive down, in the event of a vent, it will vent away from the face. However, tearing a battery wrap is an easy thing to do, so positive down means that you would have an instant hard short as current would travel from the negative area on the torn battery straight via the switch to the positive (once the switch is pressed). This is different to positive up as a torn wrap would "only" cause a continuous fire.

Ultimately, this is all about risk. IMO, there is FAR less risk of a battery venting positive up as long as you get the build right. Positive down adds the element of an unforeseen tear creating a very bad day - and you have to get the build right as well. 2 areas of risk rather than one. Therefore, it seems illogical to me to put the battery in positive down.
 

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It will instantly short.
Unless you have xray vision, you cannot see the wrap AS the battery is being inserted.

I wont repost it, but there is a video of some genius doing this inside a vape store at a cloud comp.

His mod blows apart before he can take a draw. The vape store employee installed the battery.


Everyone's an adult here, so feel free to risk all you like, but you wont see me condoning actions like this.

There is NO benefit, only increased risk of harm.

Basically, this :D
 
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A battery vents from the positive. So the idea is that by having it positive down, in the event of a vent, it will vent away from the face. However, tearing a battery wrap is an easy thing to do, so positive down means that you would have an instant hard short as current would travel from the negative area on the torn battery straight via the switch to the positive (once the switch is pressed). This is different to positive up as a torn wrap would "only" cause a continuous fire.

Ultimately, this is all about risk. IMO, there is FAR less risk of a battery venting positive up as long as you get the build right. Positive down adds the element of an unforeseen tear creating a very bad day - and you have to get the build right as well. 2 areas of risk rather than one. Therefore, it seems illogical to me to put the battery in positive down.

That's the best explanation so far, makes a lot of sense. [emoji106]


2+2=5 [emoji102]
 
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