Rainbow Vapor and the eGO

[Katmandu]

Lelly,

pm me - I'm outside of Winnipeg, but I work in Winnipeg during the day - maybe I can help you out.

I've been vaping since October and own a 510 and an Ego (thanks to Jack at Happy Vaper!). I'm no expert but I'm not a noob anymore either.

 

[lelly]

Lelly,

pm me - I'm outside of Winnipeg, but I work in Winnipeg during the day - maybe I can help you out.

I've been vaping since October and own a 510 and an Ego (thanks to Jack at Happy Vaper!). I'm no expert but I'm not a noob anymore either.

YAY!!! A vaper from Manitoba!!! Sent you a PM...

 

[lelly]

Take pictures of this unit and post them. Is it a genuine eGo? If they don't come good, there's always Reviews of Suppliers

No, it's not a genuine ego, eGO Kit (Black) They have changed the wording on their descriptions, it used to to say Joyetech but now it just says ego. It is a different picture too! Maybe that complaint to Joyetech had something to do with that?? lol. So now that they are not really misrepresenting their products, I am not sure I really have any complaints about the company, they are charging brand name prices for a knock off, but heh, there is no law against that. The customer service has been fairly good, I have written several...ummmm, lets just say "not so nice" letters (no nicotine make lelly crazy!!!) and her responses have always been polite and helpful. She responded quickly to my battery woes, stupid me didn't read the fine print on the instructions (bah, I know how to screw an atomizer to a battery, who needs instructions!!) which say to charge it for 8 hours before using even though the indicator light will be green!! Wow do I feel like an idiot!!! I ordered some juice with my PV and it is pretty good, (only the second juice I have ever tried so not much basis for comparison) and it was shipped out the next business day. She even threw in a little sample bottle with a personal note saying that based on my choices it is something she thought I would like! I guess my opinions of rainbow vapor are coming around. If anyone else tries them I would love to hear your opinion of them, as I am an overeager, annoyed, bitter person quitting smoking right now so maybe I have judged too soon. I am so relieved though that this one isn't going straight into the trash. One battery fully charged and so far so good, will leave the other one on overnight and see how it goes. Keep you guys posted (cause I am sure you are all just DYING to know, lol)

 

[Switched]

Ahh, the trials and tribulations of chemical withdrawals. I say chemical because you are still getting your nic.

The 8hr thing is myth and a spill over from old battery chemistry. Although many batts will not come fully charged, once placed in a charger and the light goes green, they are fully charged.

I am glad everything is working out for you and do wish Rainbow Vapor the best. However, from the early beginning there has been some misrepresentation wrt their products. This is not uncommon for new vendors that are still learning the industry. The fault lies in selling knock offs for original equipment market prices. That can be construed as stealing, which ever way you wish to look at it. My first 510 was from http://www.viecs.com/ it was a Topol and I knew what I was getting, this was way before I knew that JoyE even existed LOL. It was made by Saelbo (SLB) absolutely nothing wrong with it. The attys ran cooler, that was before I owned a multi-meter. So I was led to believe that SLB attys or LS2s were knock offs when compared to the JoyE 510 attys. FWIW the SLBs perform better when married to the proper equipment and voltage. IkenVape's entire line is SLB. I was glad I found them, especially using higher voltages. Now these are indeed engineered specificallyfor IKV, nonetheless they last longer than my JoyEs. That being said, the JoyE 510 does perform extremely well on JoyE products at 3.2V.

In closing, nothing wrong with buying clones, providing you are paying clone prices and know before hand what you are buying. Paying full price for a knock offs makes people angry. The best 510 atty that I have had the pleasure to vape, is stocked by Janty. It is pricey but they do last, and last and last.

 

[lelly]

Although many batts will not come fully charged, once placed in a charger and the light goes green, they are fully charged.

I am glad everything is working out for you and do wish Rainbow Vapor the best. However, from the early beginning there has been some misrepresentation wrt their products. This is not uncommon for new vendors that are still learning the industry. The fault lies in selling knock offs for original equipment market prices. That can be construed as stealing, which ever way you wish to look at it.

About the batteries, that is what I assumed when I got them, put them on the charger and the light when green...fully charged, right? Well the one that was working yesterday for a couple hours I charged for 8 hrs and have been puffing on it steadily for 3 hrs and so far so good. The other one on the other hand charged for 8 and still nothing, I am thinking it is a dud. I contacted rainbow vapors to see about a replacement and am awaiting a reply.

As for selling a knockoff at brand name prices, I think as long as you know that it is a knock off, it is your decision. People who are educated about what is out there would definately go look elsewhere for a knock-off half the price or a genuine product for the same price. I am sure there are a lot of new vapers who will order this and never know the difference , and really, besides getting a faulty battery, it is not that bad (but yet to find out if it is compatible with genuine accessories as promised, which will be the make or break pint for me!). I am just happy that they have removed all references to JoyE so people like me that were looking for a genuine product will not feel misled and disappointed. It is a shady move to sell a knockoff at double the price and they will loose all business from anyone that knows better, and hopefully people who are looking for a genuine product will know enough to ask before ordering. As I have learned, most of us end up wasting a good chunk of change on our first PV because we don't know any better. In my case, maybe the third time will be the charm. I did my research on models after starting with a $125 supermini that has been nothing but problems. After all of my research, I was down to the Riva and the JoyE eGo, but I decided to spend the extra money on what I thought was the real deal. But, in the end, my bad choices were what led me here and have helped me to quit smoking, so matter how much money was "wasted", it is all worth it in the end!

 

[smokum]

Glad to hear lelly, that your satisfied with your purchase, and that it has helped you to quit using tobacco. It "is" all that matters to YOU at this point and is worth the great attitude over dwelling on the negative side of the deal.

It's true many will get "taken?" by overpaying, and I'll advise if I happen to come across a question about them. However, since I also have been jipped in the past by not doing my consumer "homework", I can't be going around fighting other people's battles for whats essentially careless shopping as we've all done at some point on a whim or during those moments of "I really really want one", lol.

Switched...... You are sooo right about those Janty atty's !! I still have mine from Dec'08 when I bought my Dura (I was so happy to get a "manual" battery, lol), and they still work, although weakly, after using them so HARD back in those days.

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[Can_supplier]

The 8hr thing is myth and a spill over from old battery chemistry. Although many batts will not come fully charged, once placed in a charger and the light goes green, they are fully charged..

It is and it isn’t..

I agree the batteries do come charge and lithium ion batteries do not have a memory so giving them a full charge is not by the book..

BUT…

From time to time I get a customer who says their battery out of the box isn’t working. It lasts for 5 mins and starts flashing, so they charge it, takes maybe 5 mins light turns green on the charger, but same problem, it lasts 5 mins then it is dead.

How I solve that problem is I tell the customer to charge it for 8 hours uninterrupted. Ignore the green light on the charger. This seems the “reset” the battery. What happens if you have 8 hours to kill to watch it LOL is over that 8 hours it will cycle, slowly between green charged and red.

Yes I know, that’s not how lithium ion works, but I think it has something to do with the electronics of the PV itself. I think when shipped it discharges a bit too much and trips the voltage stop?? Who knows.. What I do know is about 1 out of 100 eGO batteries have this problem out of the box. Of those 95% can be corrected with this method.

I also recommend that as often as possible the user charges their eGO battery overnight. Again giving that good 8 hour charge. Reason for that is not based on the science of lithium ion but on the fact that the eGO batteries I use, the paint is starting to fall off them I’ve had them sooo long..

Theory.. Maybe the electronic in the PV there is double protection. One circuit measures absolute voltage, while another measures the change in voltage. While shipped the battery creeps down in voltage, throwing on the voltage difference protection circuit. So you try and use it, it trips on circuit on the way down, and the other on the way back up.. Might not be right on the money on this one, but I bet its something close to that.

 

[lelly]

UPDATE!!!! My one working battery lasted me the whole night at work, it died just as I was taking my last puffs before bed, well over 8 hours, mind you I don't have much time to vape at work, but I am still very happy about it. It is funny you mention about leaving them to charge overnight occasionally Greg because it killed me not to put mine on the charger last night. I thought that if you are only supposed to charge them 2-3 hrs that leaving them on for 8-9 hrs could fry them? So I put it on the charger the second I woke up. Does "as often as possible" mean every night or would that be too much do you think?

 

[lelly]

OK, call me an idiot for even considering this,

I had being playing around with my battery that is a dud, and from what I can tell, it isn't a dud in terms of holding a charge. After 2 attempts at an 8 hour charge to solve the problem, still nothing when I connect it to an atty. BUT, at first when I held down the button, it just flashed, now when I hold it down it is a steady stream of light. I am thinking that maybe the problem is with the connection. I cleaned it out and dried it and still nothing so maybe it is a defect in the depth of the connection? I have my eye on a roll of tinfoil in my kitchen, wondering if a layer or two of this could be used to attempt to bridge any gap that may exist between the battery and atty? Or maybe add a dab of sodder? I know absolutely NOTHING about electronics, but I do like to tinker, and I figure since the battery is destined for the trash anyways, what have I got to loose? Besides my life, lol, in which case I would give up playing mad scientist and stick with my day job.

Anyone have any advice or other suggestions?

 

[wood]

i suggest you contact the supplier and ask for a new battery in exchange for your old broken one
dont tinker with it as you may just short it out \ if the supplier is at all reputable they will have no problem with the exchange
and if they do give you a hassle move on

 

[wood]

and as far as being a knok off it sucks but even joye can have faults i had a genuine ego from happy vaper that one worked and one just didnt it was getting hot and dying as fast as a 510 and killed an atty or 5 lol, but jack was very eager to help me to fix everything , finding a good supplier is half the battle ,id go with happy vaper for your next hardware purchases cause at least if you have a problem you know everything will be fixed and you know your getting what you pay for

 

[lelly]

i suggest you contact the supplier and ask for a new battery in exchange for your old broken one
dont tinker with it as you may just short it out \ if the supplier is at all reputable they will have no problem with the exchange
and if they do give you a hassle move on

Yeah, new one is already on the way. Thankfully the one that I have works amazingly, 8 hrs, one 2-3 hour charge, 8hrs again (or until I go to bed) and then a charge overnight. Those 2-3 hours though that it sits on the charger are brutal!! Thats when my brain starts turning and tin foil ideas pop into my head, lol. I have no worries about shorting out second battery, as I can't use it anyways but it just seems like a shame to throw it away. Thought maybe someone here might know something about this kinda stuff, but maybe I should take the google crash course on batteries and electricity before I start messing around, lol.

 

[lelly]

and as far as being a knok off it sucks but even joye can have faults i had a genuine ego from happy vaper that one worked and one just didnt it was getting hot and dying as fast as a 510 and killed an atty or 5 lol, but jack was very eager to help me to fix everything , finding a good supplier is half the battle ,id go with happy vaper for your next hardware purchases cause at least if you have a problem you know everything will be fixed and you know your getting what you pay for

Thats my new motto, lol.....I'D GO WITH HAPPY VAPER!!!!

 

[kanadiankat]

Yeah, new one is already on the way. Thankfully the one that I have works amazingly, 8 hrs, one 2-3 hour charge, 8hrs again (or until I go to bed) and then a charge overnight. Those 2-3 hours though that it sits on the charger are brutal!! Thats when my brain starts turning and tin foil ideas pop into my head, lol. I have no worries about shorting out second battery, as I can't use it anyways but it just seems like a shame to throw it away. Thought maybe someone here might know something about this kinda stuff, but maybe I should take the google crash course on batteries and electricity before I start messing around, lol.

Hey Lelly - if you're keeping the battery that's being replaced - there is a quick fix that usually works. On the part of the battery with the threads there should be a small gap where you can insert a paper clip and pry the part off where the battery and atty connects. Just take it off then snap it back into place.

I'm not sure what's with the manufacturers of eGo, T-Rex and other Riva models - but on many of these larger batteries the connection is set too high. So as soon as the atty is screwed in, the connector piece is pushed down too far and the connection is lost.

It's not consistent either. You could have one fantastic battery and one bad battery in the same kit - then get 2 duds - then 2 that outlast any manufacturer recommendation - all with the same supplier, from the same manufacturing batch.

Another problem with the larger batteries is the LED charging indicators. If you're charging a batt that's depleted and the LED shows green after a few minutes - ignore the LED and keep charging the battery for 2 - 4 hours. Lithium batteries won't overcharge so leaving it on overnight won't hurt it at all.

It's also wise to recharge your batteries before they are completely depleted. Lithium batts have a thing where they sometimes won't recharge if you let them die completely. It's just a technology problem that hasn't been solved yet.

Hope this helps and glad you are getting the service you want and need.

 

[lelly]

Hey Lelly - if you're keeping the battery that's being replaced - there is a quick fix that usually works. On the part of the battery with the threads there should be a small gap where you can insert a paper clip and pry the part off where the battery and atty connects. Just take it off then snap it back into place.

I will try this and let you know how it goes. Is it a one time fix or I will have to keep doing it to this battery on a regular basis?

It's not consistent either. You could have one fantastic battery and one bad battery in the same kit - then get 2 duds - then 2 that outlast any manufacturer recommendation - all with the same supplier, from the same manufacturing batch.

4/7 of my batteries have been duds. I have really bad luck in the battery department...I am already expecting to have problems with the replacement battery that is on the way. Fingers crossed!

Another problem with the larger batteries is the LED charging indicators. If you're charging a batt that's depleted and the LED shows green after a few minutes - ignore the LED and keep charging the battery for 2 - 4 hours. Lithium batteries won't overcharge so leaving it on overnight won't hurt it at all.

It's also wise to recharge your batteries before they are completely depleted. Lithium batts have a thing where they sometimes won't recharge if you let them die completely. It's just a technology problem that hasn't been solved yet.

Hope this helps and glad you are getting the service you want and need.

Up until today I had thought the complete opposite, that you were supposed to let them die completely before charging and then sit and watch until the light turns green. In my quest to find out if my tin foil idea was a good one, I read this article: How to prolong lithium-based batteries which said the same thing as you, Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. but somewhere in this forum I read that the eGos are not lithium ion, they are lithiom cadmium or something like that? I tried to figure out where I read that but too many pages to backtrack through!! The article does say lithium based though so I am thinking the general rules still apply?

Definately good info, thanks for sharing, and I am surprised I have not read it sooner, on this forum or somewhere in the PV manual.

 

[lelly]

Hey Lelly - if you're keeping the battery that's being replaced - there is a quick fix that usually works. On the part of the battery with the threads there should be a small gap where you can insert a paper clip and pry the part off where the battery and atty connects. Just take it off then snap it back into place.

Gave it a try but still no go. A couple of interesting things I did see when I opened it up, on the bottom side of the part that I pried off, is looks worn and there is 2 small dents in it, perhaps where it is supposed to line up with the wires? When I look inside the hole that the cap covered, there is only one wire though, but really I have no idea what it is supposed to look like in there. The one wire looks a bit corroded and I can't tell if the greenish looking stuff it is covered with is battery acid or insulation for the wire. In any case I tried to bend the wire up a bit to see if that would help the connection, sadly, still nothing. I was very slightly tempted to open up my one working battery to see what it supposed to look like in there, but I was terrified that I may break it and be vapeless, perhaps when my replacement battery arrives I will tinker more.

 

[wood]

Hmm the other wire may be attached to the outside where the threads are cause the center post and treads can't touch on is positive one is negative bug that's just guessing

 

[kanadiankat]

I've never been the techy on our team - I just get to watch all that stuff. I'll ask our techy guy though for you - show him your post and see what he thinks. He's tinkered a few totalled rivas back to life before - one of them went for 6 months straight without any further problems. It'll be a couple days 'til I see him - so be patient.

On Batteries - I don't think there is such thing as a lithium cadmium (could be wrong). There are lithium ion and lithium polymer batteries. Both are similar. The polymer doesn't last as long or hold as strong a charge but is safer, lighter and more flexible (and more expensive). As far as I know, ecigs in general favor the lithium ion - which holds a longer charge, but requires higher protection.

Good thing: both can be tossed without harm to the environment if they are completely discharged (which makes them tons greener than a cig ....).

As for luck with batteries - sounds like you've had the worst of it. Battery university is a great tool - maybe it'll help with keeping your new ones longer than ever expected!

 

[lelly]

UPDATE!!! I received my replacement battery yesterday and charged it for the 8 hours recommended. The first vape I took on it today, very dissapointed, took me a while to figure out why I wasn't getting the vapor, TH and flavor with the same carto -it has a 5 second cutoff! It is a manual battery, same size as the original one, which has about a 15 second cutoff. Am I unreasonable in expecting this to be replaced?

 

[BlitzkriegTim]

5 second cutoff on a 3.7 volt device is unacceptable. Get them to replace it.