are we talking about the paki's ? i have a few friends up in west chesire. They will not quick slandering the "paki's" paki this paki that blah blah
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It's mostly Indians that become doctors, the Pakistani's seem to have more of a tendency to be shopkeepers, a lot of people in the uk are getting a bit fed up because the uk is so small and so many people from all the poorer countries are swarming here to live. It is causing a lot of friction in many parts of the country, but that's a subject best to say nothing about. There is certainly a problem here now with so many different languages being spoken.
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Esperanto - spoken by around 2 million people - an international language which somehow has never quite taken off - good idea though.
Hey spike ....yes that was a good idea..it's a pity it didn't take off.
Yeah, lets just all speak English from now on. We don't need to hire anyone that's bilingual. Then when all the "minorities" can't get jobs to make money and can't find anyone to help them make purchases, we can just put them all on government welfare until they can speak English proficiently.
People should learn to speak English in the English speaking countries, but there still needs to be services and support for those that haven't learned or are unable to learn the language. Anyone that has tried to learn a new language can tell you that it takes, sometimes, years to learn it proficiently. There are over a million people who legally immigrate every year to the US. The vast majority come from countries that do not speak English as a first language. What business in their right mind would ignore those potential customers?
It's funny how bad economies bring out the blame it on the minorities speeches.
BTW, grouping all "minorities" together as a people that you need to cater to is a pretty lame statement. Does that include all of us "minorities" that speak English too?
kevin
ps: Pete, there are actually a lot of good artists that make "western" style music coming out of the far east. You can't understand the words unless you speak the language, but then again there are many english speaking artists I've heard that I have a hard time understanding the lyrics to too.
What do you expect? There is a Walmart in the area. "If you build it, they will come." Do you remember The Phoenix? It was an awesome Chinese restaurant near Wolf and North Ave. They knew me by name in there. They even recognized my voice every time I called. And their food was top notch! What happened to them? They lost business and were foced to close. How many Mexicans do you know of that go out for Chinese? They ended up building a Starbucks it its place.
Don't get me wrong here. I don't hate the hispanic race pre se. But it's hard to not take it personal when they come here and we have to cater to them.
Guess what? If they were all here legally, we wouldn't have this problem. By law, an immigrant who wishes to gain citizenship must be albe to speak the language. Clearly our own laws are not being upheld. At least not in an effecient sort of way. We provide enough "services and support" to them as it is. We owe them nothing. As it is we give them free health care and provide free shcooling for their children. They can buy cars and drive them around and even apply for credit cards. Most of them work for cash, and those who don't will simply use a stolen/borrowed SS#. They are leaches. They contribute little or nothing to our society. I admire the ones who are waiting and who have waited to obtain legal citizenship and work and pay taxes like I do, but have complete disdain for the ones who are not.
A friend of mine comes from Malta and he is one of those lovable rogues and he get's away with loads of small 'criminal' things by pretending he just doesn't understand English. He is also going to get his Pension five years earlier because when he came to this country he made out he was five years older and apparently all those years ago Maltese birth records were hard to check. I so wish I could do that.
I like Surbiton's idea of one language spoken around the world! 
Seriously though, what country can an American go to and be sure his child will have a teacher that speaks English and the language of that country? It does put a huge financial strain on the school budgets and our property taxes.
Our ancestors came to this country and learned the language. Now, others want us to learn theirs or make another language the official language. Sorry - - it is just not my problem and I do not want to pay for it.
Seriously though, what country can an American go to and be sure his child will have a teacher that speaks English and the language of that country? It does put a huge financial strain on the school budgets and our property taxes.
Our ancestors came to this country and learned the language. Now, others want us to learn theirs or make another language the official language.
Sorry - - it is just not my problem and I do not want to pay for it.
I sure wouldn't want to have to learn to speak computer........010101010101010000001001000010001010000100010000100000.....lmao.
It's funny how in star trek, every alien speaks English but can you imagine the confusion for an alien coming to this planet and finding out we can't even all speak to each other.
It's funny how in star trek, every alien speaks English but can you imagine the confusion for an alien coming to this planet and finding out we can't even all speak to each other.
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Of the Universal Translator! Roddenberry was spot on with that one. What ever language was being spoken would be translated in the language of the person listening.
However, I am in the same boat looking for a job. IT for 7 years. Currently unemployed, feverishly looking for the past 5 months. Now, just to get a help desk job employers want you to be "fluent" in Spanish and French here in Michigan. Maybe I should just fake an Indian accent? BTW, I'm in Michigan, even for awhile they had a Spanish selection on the ATM's around here, people put up a stink, now it's gone. In Michigan did you know that an immigrant need not understand the language to get a driver's license? All they need to know are the traffic symbols, while a person who is a born citizen needs to read, understand and pass the written part of the drivers test. The clerk actually told me that when I re-newed my license last time.
That plaque at Ellis Island was fine for the times, but, it needs to be taken down, until we can feed, shelter and employ our own first. I'm not sorry for being callous, until we can take care of our own we don't need to be taking care of everyone elses. I wish they'd finish that fence already too!
However, I am in the same boat looking for a job. IT for 7 years. Currently unemployed, feverishly looking for the past 5 months. Now, just to get a help desk job employers want you to be "fluent" in Spanish and French here in Michigan. Maybe I should just fake an Indian accent? BTW, I'm in Michigan, even for awhile they had a Spanish selection on the ATM's around here, people put up a stink, now it's gone. In Michigan did you know that an immigrant need not understand the language to get a driver's license? All they need to know are the traffic symbols, while a person who is a born citizen needs to read, understand and pass the written part of the drivers test. The clerk actually told me that when I re-newed my license last time.
That plaque at Ellis Island was fine for the times, but, it needs to be taken down, until we can feed, shelter and employ our own first. I'm not sorry for being callous, until we can take care of our own we don't need to be taking care of everyone elses. I wish they'd finish that fence already too!
Why did they do that. People complained because spanish was an OPTION? I have lived in other countries and when I went to the ATM to take money out there was an option for english at everyone. If there was not I would not have used it. I am not going to risk screwing up because I didnt understand a word.
Too many people take english for granted. And they also do not respect other areas enough to care about them. Also do not forget Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. Most people do not realize how important Mexico is to the US. And also immigrants, even illegal ones while they may not pay income tax, do contribute quite a bit because they spend money. They buy cars, food, electronics, etc.
Chris - I am with you. I have been fortunate, but so many friends have lost IT jobs at my company. Two months later they would repost them differently and give them to people who I can hardly understand. One guy is so bad that I refuse to talk to him on the phone. I tell him he has to come to my office.
And before any of you post saying that we pay them less - WE DO NOT!
I see every salary in the company, even the CEO's. They are paying them more than the people who originally held the job. This is just not right.
And before any of you post saying that we pay them less - WE DO NOT!
I see every salary in the company, even the CEO's. They are paying them more than the people who originally held the job. This is just not right.
Do you know how many people became citizen last year in miami and they can hardly say Good morning, A LOT
You'd be surprised how many Mexicans can speak English when they need to. Try getting into an accident with one that doesn't speak English. Mention you are going to call the cops, and suddenly they break out their bartering and English speaking abilities. I've seen it first hand.
You're right that gaining citizenship does require passing a remedial test in English, but there are far more people that come to this country as permanent residents. As far a I know there is no English requirement for this. And as I said before, as a business, you'd be doing a disservice to yourself if you didn't serve those markets.
You mention that we owe them nothing, in the case of the illegal immigrants I'm not that far off from your viewpoint. Since our current government rules "won't" allow us to deport all the illegals, it doesn't make sense to lock them out of schools. It would do more harm in the future to have multiple generations not be educated. At least the next generation would have the opportunity to "contribute" more than the first generation.
Everyone in this country contributes to this society in different forms, even illegals. Many illegals end up with the jobs that many legal residents just don't want. This fills a need and keeps the economy working. Those same folks buy a lot of goods and services, which in turn pumps cash into the economy. They may not pay into the system in terms of SS or schooling, but they do contribute. It's not a perfect situation, but the laws that are being upheld currently dictate this situation. Rather than fight it, accept it and figure out a better solution. It's already happening in the border states and it's only going to get worse in the middle states.
kevin
I think thats bull, I know plenty of people that are ready and willing to work that just can't find JOBS!!!!
That could have nothing to do with the illegals in the country. Would those same people take jobs picking fruit in the California central valley? If you have equivalent people applying for the same job at the same rate of pay, a citizen speaking perfect English and an illegal speaking hardly any English, I would think that the person that can speak English would get the nod over someone who cannot communicate effectively. If you are thinking that the illegal is taking the job because of substandard pay, then it's more of an issue with that business owner. Don't blame the illegal for taking the job. Blame the business owner for hiring illegally.
Jobs are hard to find anywhere right now. But, to say that it's all the illegals fault is not a truthful statement. And to say that just because you know people that are looking for work and cannot find it means that it's the illegals fault is also not a truthful statement.
kevin
BTW, grouping all "minorities" together as a people that you need to cater to is a pretty lame statement. Does that include all of us "minorities" that speak English too?
It may be a lame statement but only because of the truth of it. I was only grouping the Spanish-speaking people who get catered to. At least, in my area. And they get plenty of services-90% of the kids get free lunches.
Another example that pisses me off-when I was divorced, I almost lost my house. This was about 7 year ago. I coud find no one to help, so I had to sell it. The people who bought it received $5,000 from a charitable agency. (I saw a copy of the MO) At closing, the mortgage company wanted them to have more savings in the bank. They received another 5 grand to buy my house.
They were there for 2 years, took out a home equity loan, suddenly couldn't pay their bills, gutted the house and disappeared. Probaly back to Mexico for a while before they come back and do it again.
And Satyr-yes I definitely remember the Phoenix! Best egg rolls ever, still haven't found anyplace that makes them so well. I was so sad when they closed down.
It may be a lame statement but only because of the truth of it. I was only grouping the Spanish-speaking people who get catered to. At least, in my area. And they get plenty of services-90% of the kids get free lunches.
Another example that pisses me off-when I was divorced, I almost lost my house. This was about 7 year ago. I coud find no one to help, so I had to sell it. The people who bought it received $5,000 from a charitable agency. (I saw a copy of the MO) At closing, the mortgage company wanted them to have more savings in the bank. They received another 5 grand to buy my house.
They were there for 2 years, took out a home equity loan, suddenly couldn't pay their bills, gutted the house and disappeared. Probaly back to Mexico for a while before they come back and do it again.
And Satyr-yes I definitely remember the Phoenix! Best egg rolls ever, still haven't found anyplace that makes them so well. I was so sad when they closed down.
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