Rant: Why push the envelope?

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cramptholomew

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I was OK with not smoking near non-smokers. I was always, what I considered, a considerate smoker. In fact, I try to be considerate in whatever activity I'm taking part in. I don't want to sound all prideful, and self righteous, but I think that's an important virtue. "Do unto others", and all that. That said, I see a lot of people in the vaping community that insist on pushing the envelope in public places, and with smoking restricted areas. While we, as "vapers", are fairly convinced that vaping is far, FAR, less dangerous than smoking cigarettes, the general public may not be as convinced, or they may not be familiar with e-cigarettes in general, and therefore apprehensive as to the effects it may have on their health. In my opinion, it's important to educate these people about what we're doing, and why we're doing it. BUT, is it irresponsible of us to just walk around indoors, in restaurants, on the bus, on the train, etc., and force people to accept what we're doing as "OK"? Or, would it be better to get the word out some other way? I'm not sure what the best approach is, but I know that when someone else's activity infringes on my comfort zone, I become defensive. I think that that's a natural reaction that we, as humans, have ingrained in us. And, I don't think that forcing our vapor on others is going to produce a different reaction in "outsiders".

Like I said, I don't know what the best approach is, but I do see a lot of you that take the time to ask before you vape, which I think is the considerate thing to do. Then there are those that walk into Starbucks, and start puffing away like they're trying to start a revolution. I guess it comes down to this: does anyone REALLY need to vape that badly, that they can't wait until they're bus ride is over, or until they have an opportunity to go outside? People are still going to see your device, and will most likely ask questions, if they feel comfortable. They're NOT going feel comfortable, and will probably just get defensive, if you're going to blow it their face, so to speak. I think we need a positive message, and an educational one, if our habit/hobby/common joy is to be accepted by others outside of the vaping community. And, it may go a long way in our fight against severe regulation. Brute force never yields that kind of message.

So, I would just like to prevail upon people to consider how they want to be seen as a vaper. The "I don't have any .....s to give" attitude isn't helping anyone, especially you, and the rest of the vaping community.

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But you find no problem with busting through walls that people paid good money for just to give some kids some Kool aid?

Just messing bro lol.

I bust through those walls just to get my vape on. I don't care who's house, or whose business it is! It's MY vape yo! Deal!

EDIT: I'm sure someone makes Kool-Aid juice. I should probably try this...
 
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I think alot of it has to do with the anti-smoking craze sweeping the country. As a former smoker I felt more and more discrminated against everyday yes I understand smoking is bad for you but some of these ANTZ think that if they catch the faintest whiff of second hand smoke they will die of cancer tomorrow.
So its just people saying finally I can do something and you cant do .... about it yet so I'm gonna flaunt it all I can before the government takes that freedom away as well.
Is it the best approach? probably not but when confronted with an oppressive government people try to get away with what they can while they can.
Personally I dont vape where I wouldnt smoke but thats just how I roll
 
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I do agree cramptholomew. And I was a very considerate smoker. But when in Walmart, the hobby store, grocery store, I find myself discretely vaping. I think I'm into getting away with something (like I'm a little kid). And I do it in the bathroom at work when nobody's around because I'm trying not to spend so much time with the smokers.
 

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... I guess it comes down to this: does anyone REALLY need to vape that badly, that they can't wait until they're bus ride is over, or until they have an opportunity to go outside? ...

This is Kinda the Giant White Elephant in the Room.

IMO, Yes. There is a Boat Load of people who can Not go the Length of Time of a Movie, a Bus Ride or even the Time it takes to buy something in a Store without Having to take it hit.

Perhaps Smoking Analogs was more of a Physical Addiction. And Using an e-Cigarette is More of a Mental Addiction.
 

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Part of the problem in my opinion is that people just are not used to seeing these devices in actual use, particularly where I live. So I believe that the contrary is true. We need to get out in public and be seen vaping, answer questions, and help educate people. We want people to see these products being used and get desensitized to them. Let them smell the pleasant aroma, ask us "do those really work?" and so forth (which I get asked a lot).
 
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The "envelope" was dropped on our heads,
We ARE pushing;
the cover of shame
from our activity



Have fun
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Obviously, and it's not "entirely" our fault for smoking in the first place - most of us were young, stupid, and invincible when we started smoking. Others just decided to take the chance anyway. Some of us started before we knew how bad they were for our health. And yes, now there is a severe stigma imposed on people who smoke. Unfortunately, most of the general public doesn't know any better, and that same stigma is being applied to vaping. We need to overcome that stigma, but we're not going to do it by being dicks with our vaping practices. I understand the "I was demonized, and now I shouldn't be" mentality, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. But, let's not be neanderthals about it. It took a long time for the public viewpoint oin smoking to get where it is, and it's going to take a long time to reverse that with vaping - all talk of impending possible regulation aside.
 

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I'm not advocating blowing vapor in peoples faces, or vaping in crowded or cramped areas, but by the gods! if it is not illegal in a particular place, why should we not do what we normally do? I don't think anyone is tryin to be an ...... about it. The best thing to do is familiarize yourself with the laws in your city and state and those governing public and private establishments. We should respect others of course, but certainly not be ashamed or feel guilty.
 
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Part of the problem in my opinion is that people just are not used to seeing these devices in actual use, particularly where I live. So I believe that the contrary is true. We need to get out in public and be seen vaping, answer questions, and help educate people. We want people to see these products being used and get desensitized to them. Let them smell the pleasant aroma, ask us "do those really work?" and so forth (which I get asked a lot).

I agree, completely. But can't we do it in a more responsible way?

I'm not saying "all" of us. I'm just saying those who are on the reverse side of the anti-smoking zealots coin. Those who feel just as strongly about vaping, as those who are zealously anti-tobacco. "You get more flies with honey, than with vinegar", and all that.
 
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Obviously, and it's not "entirely" our fault for smoking in the first place - most of us were young, stupid, and invincible when we started smoking. Others just decided to take the chance anyway. Some of us started before we knew how bad they were for our health. And yes, now there is a severe stigma imposed on people who smoke. Unfortunately, most of the general public doesn't know any better, and that same stigma is being applied to vaping. We need to overcome that stigma, but we're not going to do it by being dicks with our vaping practices. I understand the "I was demonized, and now I shouldn't be" mentality, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. But, let's not be neanderthals about it. It took a long time for the public viewpoint oin smoking to get where it is, and it's going to take a long time to reverse that with vaping - all talk of impending possible regulation aside.

I could not possibly agree with you more. It will take time and a great deal of dialogue (also, unfortunately, politics) in order to get the general public to understand the vast difference between smoking and vaping. I view it as attacking ignorance with a scalpel as opposed to a shotgun.
 

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I agree, completely. But can't we do it in a more responsible way?

I'm not saying "all" of us. I'm just saying those who are on the reverse side of the anti-smoking zealots coin. Those who feel just as strongly about vaping, as those who are zealously anti-tobacco. "You get more flies with honey, than with vinegar", and all that.

Who are these people pushing the envelope? I want names.
 
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