Ranting on ignorance.

[Bramble]

People are idiots. I saw my doctor a year ago, had been vaping for six months at the time, smoke-free from day one. She's asking the general health questions about diet, exercise, etc. Asks me about smoking, I proudly tell her that I've been off the smokes for six months, that I'd taken up ecigs. Without losing a beat, no positive reaction at all, she asks if I'm tapering off of the ecigs so I can "qet completely free of nicotine?" She also warned me that some of her patients had "gotten infections" from ecigs.

This is a friggin' doctor, for crimeny! Rather than encouraging me for quitting that lifelong habit-of-self-destruction, she pretty much scolded me for vaping!

I'm not surprised. Every time I tell a doctor I'm vegan they want to put me on pre-natal vitamins. "Yeah I'm plant-based, not pregnant."

It doesn't matter how I explain that I run, trails, in the mountains, with people half my age (AND keep up). I have no health issues whatsoever (aside from issues from smoking), no nutritional deficiencies, in fact my cholesterol and blood pressure, etc are better than most 20-somethings. Last year I DATED at 20-something who had more lifestyle-related health issues than I do. I've never felt better in my life. Doctors don't listen.

So I don't tell them anymore that I'm an herbivore and I don't think I'll even mention that I vape. Simples. LOL

 

[bones1274]

Finally a real test on what is in vapor. Granted it is a small step, but it is a step in the right direction:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/infozone/news/2587.html

10News - E-cigarettes under fire by critics, Team 10 tests the vapor - 10News.com - Team 10 Investigates

 

[Mutescream]

Our freedom will always be in jeapordy, as those that control the mass information outlets have compelling financial motivations to misinform us.

The big challenge will be how to convince big businesses they can make more money in joining the party, than trying to shut down everyone's good time.

 

[DC2]

Finally a real test on what is in vapor. Granted it is a small step, but it is a step in the right direction:

California study finds only healthful chemicals in e-cig vapor! - ECF InfoZone

10News - E-cigarettes under fire by critics, Team 10 tests the vapor - 10News.com - Team 10 Investigates

Perhaps you would like to take a look at this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...go-abc-10news-do-independent-study-ecigs.html

 

[DC2]

Our freedom will always be in jeapordy, as those that control the mass information outlets have compelling financial motivations to misinform us.

I'm 48 years old, and four years ago I would have laughed at that statement and figured you were a nut case.
After being involved in vaping issues for the last four years, I can't believe how ignorant I truly was for those other 44 years of my life.

 

[bones1274]

Perhaps you would like to take a look at this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...go-abc-10news-do-independent-study-ecigs.html

Thanks for the link. I just found it surprising to find a positive article.

 

[LDS714]

Now that's skewing democracy to the severe spectrum on the line of autocratic ruling..

Now in a true democracy both sides have equal opportunity which can lead to a compromise to please the majority.

Wasn't the US system of government set up as a representative republic to help save minorities from the "tyranny of the majority?"

 

[Brusky]

Wasn't the US system of government set up as a representative republic to help save minorities from the "tyranny of the majority?"

Not sure what your talking about?

Our government is based on a bi-partisan system. (Which is obviously heavily flawed, as it pits Americans against each other).

Although America is as capitalistic as they come, we still function as a democracy. Which is why organizations such as CASAA is able to exist.


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[ScottP]

Perhaps you would like to take a look at this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...go-abc-10news-do-independent-study-ecigs.html

Part of me wishes I still worked for Chevron. I could have used a Gas Chomatograph to truly analyze what is in MY vapor with my micro coils, cotton wick and juice from MTB.

 

[LDS714]

Not sure what your talking about?

Our government is based on a bi-partisan system. (Which is obviously heavily flawed, as it pits Americans against each other).

Although America is as capitalistic as they come, we still function as a democracy. Which is why organizations such as CASAA is able to exist.


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Not sure about the "based on" part. I believe it has degenerated to a bi-partisan system. How else can the politocos play the "it's obvious we're good and they're evil" card?

Have you ever read George Washington's take on bi-partisan politics?

 

[TheGirlfriend]

It seems that most of the news about ecigs is slanted in the negative direction. Getting the right message out is obviously hard. Non-smokers who don't get it think you can just quit. Some do and some don't, at least successfully. You wonder why overweight people don't just stop eating. Vaping is both a cure and a mental thing that not only satisfies the nicotine urge, but it also simulates the act of smoking. When you try to quit both cold turkey, you are left with both habits to "not think about".

I think what most people forget is that while nicotine is addictive, there are a lot of other chemicals that are in cigarettes (unless you're using organic tobacco) and many of the commercial varieties of cigarettes have chemicals in them that INCREASE how addictive they are. Using vaping as a stepping stone to get away from those chemicals is already a HUGE step. In the last few weeks, my boyfriend has STILL wanted cigarettes (even though I know, based on previous times when he's quit, that when he does have a cigarette, he thinks it's disgusting---however I have to keep reminding him that each time he has started smoking again, it's started with "oh, I'll just have one cigarette. I can have just one."

"There are approximately 600 ingredients in cigarettes. When burned, they create more than 4,000 chemicals. At least 50 of these chemicals are known to cause cancer, and many are poisonous. "
What's in a Cigarette? - American Lung Association

 

[Brusky]

Not sure about the "based on" part. I believe it has degenerated to a bi-partisan system. How else can the politocos play the "it's obvious we're good and they're evil" card?

Have you ever read George Washington's take on bi-partisan politics?

What?

I have no idea what you were talking about, when you stated "our government is setup as a representative republic." I have no idea what that entails or even means..

Like I said, America is a bipartisanship.. Theoretically our bi-partisan system is great, but like i said is flawed..

This "tyranny of the majority bull" thing is just conjecture when you relate it to our government... For example, a criminal has many spectrums, from a ....../murderer to someone who shop lifted a stick of gum.

Maybe that "Tyranny of the majority BS" can relate to Great Britain with their parliamentary system, but not with our bipartisanship..

 

[Bramble]

Part of me wishes I still worked for Chevron. I could have used a Gas Chomatograph to truly analyze what is in MY vapor with my micro coils, cotton wick and juice from MTB.

Yes it smells very bad that everyone only seems to be "analyzing" equipment and juice that no one even uses. I would love to see something saying "[Brand-that-I-use] was tested and [actual result].

 

[Brusky]

Not sure about the "based on" part. I believe it has degenerated to a bi-partisan system. How else can the politocos play the "it's obvious we're good and they're evil" card?

Have you ever read George Washington's take on bi-partisan politics?

- What are you unsure on? America is a bipartisanship..

- No, i have not read George Washington's take, nor do i care..

 

[ScottP]

- What are you unsure on? America is a bipartisanship..

- No, i have not read George Washington's take, nor do i care..

In Washington's farewell address he warned of the dangers of a two party system. His predictions of those dangers are coming true.

 

[Brusky]

In Washington's farewell address he warned of the dangers of a two party system. His predictions of those dangers are coming true.

Everyone knows and has known the flaw of a bi-partisan system regardless of George Washington.. It pits Americans against each other, and starts dividing, instead of creating a unity. I don't understand what were getting at? It sounds like were agreeing with me, yet were fighting something?

LDS, wants to state that were setup as a representative republic? Are you confused? Were setup as a bipartisanship.. Our system of government is a representative democracy/republic which I have no idea what he is trying to discuss..

 

[LDS714]

LDS, wants to state that were setup as a representative republic? Are you confused? Were setup as a bipartisanship.. Our system of government is a representative democracy/republic which I have no idea what he is trying to discuss..

I respectfully disagree. I'm not sure where you were given that information, but it's incorrect.

 

[Brusky]

I respectfully disagree. I'm not sure where you were given that information, but it's incorrect.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything ( just in case you think I am)

You stated "Wasn't the US system of government set up as a representative republic to help save minorities from the "tyranny of the majority?"

This doesn't make sense, because being a representative democracy, is a state of. How we function is through the system of.

 

[LDS714]

I'm not trying to be rude or anything ( just in case you think I am)

You stated "Wasn't the US system of government set up as a representative republic to help save minorities from the "tyranny of the majority?"

This doesn't make sense, because being a representative democracy, is a state of. How we function is through the system of.

I hesitate to continue this discussion because for the most part it's outside the initial scope of the thread.

I will, however offer the following:

In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors. Whether or not the trend toward more direct democracy would be smiled upon by the Framers depends on the answer to another question. Are the American people today sufficiently better informed and otherwise equipped to be wise and prudent democratic citizens than were American citizens in the late 1700s? By all accounts, the answer to this second question is an emphatic "no."

 

[Brusky]

in other words, being a republic creates the spectrum of "tyranny of the majority". But our bi-partisan system (flawed to hell as it is) is suppose to prevent things relating to that.