I look at my RBAs and DIY as a "middle finger" to the FDA. I've had nothing but good luck with my gennies; love them.
RBA Rants/Venting
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If you don't like rba's then you haven't had one done right yet. Once you have you will never go back.
after about 3 weeks trying to get the top coil hot spot fixed I gave up.......then I found cotton rounds. NO HOT SPOTS EVER!!! it wicks great, tastes great. I had my AGA T2 on its side for 1/2 hr last night and NO LEAKS!! love this thing now..
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Love the way you think! The FDA can take the joye510 out of my life, but they sure as hale can't take my gennys and DIY juice.
rba's are for the hands-on person. Someone that doesn't mind getting their hands dirty. The one that loves taking it apart then putting it back together. Try this then try thst. A tweek here and a tweek there. Clean it up, wash it down, then start all over again. I love my RBA's.
Hello eHuman,
Saying that if someone feels that genesis tanks suck that it is their fault is as fair as saying that if someone says the sound of a baby grand piano sucks compared to a cello or violin it is because they don't know how to properly play a baby grand piano.
Like I said in my follow up post I have tried gennie setups from other people who love their setup and are convinced that is working properly. It tastes just like the ones that I've setup. I am not sure if 6 weeks of dicking around w/ gennie tanks gives me enough time to properly learn how to set one up and I concede to the possibility that I am still doing it wrong.
I am still going to give a couple more tries starting with the gennie tanks for dummies (RSST) and maybe 1 or 2 more but again as stated in my follow up, the point of my statement that gennie tanks suck is to solicit the raw and unfiltered feedback from both sides of the camp among a few other reasons listed in the follow up.
At this point the only thing keeping me motivated to keep trying are folks like you who that are so passionately convinced that as of today there is nothing better than a genesis setup. I do have to disagree with your statement though that just because I or someone else does not like genesis tanks that they are setting it up incorrectly.
Yep. I have had a vape or 4 from other people's gennys that blow clouds, like serious clouds, and came away with the same assessment: not for me. Oh, and like BW, it was the same with mine, though mine was actually a little better. LOL
I agree with you Wookie
I don't have 6 weeks of fail under my belt yet, just a little over a week. I also concede that I am likely just doing it wrong despite my best efforts to follow the guidance shared by those more experienced. The number one thing that is keeping me from giving up is the many people who swear there is no better vape than a properly built RBA.
If I'm just not doing it right still then a) there is something fundamental that has not dawned on me yet or b) this is one fickle ......
I'm going to wrap the last of my 500 mesh tonight and try one more time. I am not going to fill my tank up for at least a couple days, I plan to build the wick and coil and basically just drip onto it to vape for at least a full 24 hrs with no hotspots before I fill the tank and mask any hotspots that may develop.
And eHuman.. this time I am going to follow your blog post to the letter. I do believe it is entirely possible I am just not doing something right but damn if that's the case this is one difficult discipline to master.
I don't have 6 weeks of fail under my belt yet, just a little over a week. I also concede that I am likely just doing it wrong despite my best efforts to follow the guidance shared by those more experienced. The number one thing that is keeping me from giving up is the many people who swear there is no better vape than a properly built RBA.
If I'm just not doing it right still then a) there is something fundamental that has not dawned on me yet or b) this is one fickle ......
I'm going to wrap the last of my 500 mesh tonight and try one more time. I am not going to fill my tank up for at least a couple days, I plan to build the wick and coil and basically just drip onto it to vape for at least a full 24 hrs with no hotspots before I fill the tank and mask any hotspots that may develop.
And eHuman.. this time I am going to follow your blog post to the letter. I do believe it is entirely possible I am just not doing something right but damn if that's the case this is one difficult discipline to master.
I'm not sure if you don't get my point or just don't agree with it. What I hear you describing falls under "preference". Which I tried to cover in honest consideration. To say, "I don't like or prefer aga-ts because of x,y,z is stating a preference. To say they suck and only taste like crap doesn't point to preference, it points to inadequate set up. If you have vaped a good set up and still prefer carts, that's an honest preference.
When I hear "it sucks and tastes like crap" it translates to "it doesn't work the way it is advertised". And face it, that just isn't true. If you want a pocket friendly device, a lot of people won't gravitate to an aga-t. Those who know how to set them up know that they can be at least as pocket friendly as a cart-tank without leaking a drop.
What I'm saying is you are not being honest. You are confusing your personal preference and style with what works well and what doesn't. You either don't know how to set them up and therefore are disgruntled, or you are calling a good set up crap because you prefer a different style. Either way it's lack of honesty.
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I am 2 weeks in on my genny journey and I am loving it! I know I still don't have it quite right yet because the flavor is still a little muted. Building these kinda reminds me of learning to play golf, every now and then you get off a shot that is worthy of the pro tour. And every now and then I get a genny hit that is better than any other hit I have ever had from any device/ carto/ clearo/ Vivi or anything. That is what is inspiring me to stick with this, Eventually I will be able to get excellent hits all the time. (except when I shank it lol)
I sincerely hope that you have the "ah ha! moment", that so many of us have experienced. I can't tell you how many people have posted here saying, "I did everything that everyone suggested and it still doesn't work, then all of a sudden, I realized what I was doing wrong, and low and behold, they warned me of that over and over".
I hope that you have success. Good luck brother.
I just got my AGA-T2 and have been having issues with tissues. I also have worked out all of the issues and it is performing well and tastes great.
I can also see that it might not be for everyone!
I can also see that it might not be for everyone!
RBA's isn't for everybody. Just like cartos isn't for me. I vaped with cartos for a while. But I quickly discovered the hassle with cartos wasn't worth my time. I burned out a box of them before I found out that I wasn't waiting for the juice to saturate the coil and filler. I was looking ofr something different. I also didn't like after a few uses the carto had to be thrown away. I tried cleaning them from various videos and that never worked. So imo, cartos sucked. But I would just say, I prefer rba's over cartos, knowing some that love cartos. My cousin vapes with cartos and loves it. She is not interested in rba's at all. So some likem' some don't. I was determined to find another vaping source outside of catros and thank you rba's. My rant.
I am not sure when this turned into a discussion about honesty or preference. I can list off 100 reasons why RBAs suck but I am not trying to prove that point as I've already made it clear that when i say "they suck" is an opinion and not meant to be taken as a fact. While this may be an interesting conversation about semantics I would rather discuss another interesting point. What exactly do you feel is the promise of a genesis tank? Perhaps the problem is my expectation is far exceeding the reality of what the genesis can provide?
You will be my hero if you can help me figure out what exactly it is I am doing wrong.
I have a humble suggestion. If you (or anyone) wants to know what a genesis style atomizer tastes like, in order to decide whether its worth the learning curve, do this. . . . . Either build a fresh coil on a drill bit, or yank out your wick (leaving a nice, intact coil), and gently stuff a little cotton in it. Drip it. Pull the cap, 3-4 drops, cap it, vape it, pull the cap, 3-4 drops, etc. etc. Now you know what it vapes like (minus a few minor issues about wicking, heat sink, flavor loss due to heating juice in the tank, etc).
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I haven't used a JDS (juice delivery system) that I couldn't pick out a bunch of reason why it sucks, and I've tried a lot of them. They all have there plusses and minuses. It's all about finding the right match for the person. I haven't even tried a genesis style RBA because I have no use or desire for a tank, and I hear they have a very airy draw. Dripping RBAs match perfectly for me; great draw, easy to switch flavors, and the best flavor producers I've had.
If they ever come out with a JDS that's perfect for everybody (they won't) that would be ideal, but since that's not the case it's great to have so many options.
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If they ever come out with a JDS that's perfect for everybody (they won't) that would be ideal, but since that's not the case it's great to have so many options.
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LOL, Taste IS subjective, but I don't know anyone who would put a juice they don't like in a genny and blame the flavor on the genny...
OK I'm done trying to make my point, y'all are just having fun with me or can't separate your dislike for an RBA style with it's ability to perform well.
OK I'm done trying to make my point, y'all are just having fun with me or can't separate your dislike for an RBA style with it's ability to perform well.
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The thing about a genesis style is it has almost nothing to do with the hardware and almost everything to do with the user. If your coil is too cold, shorting out, too hot, etc it won't taste right. When I got my first AGA-T2 I had a lot of issues with muted flavors. It turned out my coil was too cold on 3 of the wraps and too hot on 2 of them. I didn't know any better at the time. Now I get a coil working and it's a vapor/flavorfest.
Genesis styles can use almost any wicking material and can be set up as a dripper/tipper. They're very mod-friendly and very user-specific as far as preferences go. I can't see any IGO-L holding 3.5ml of liquid =)
A properly set up genny won't leak on its side, wont need the fill hole left open, holds enough liquid for a moderate day of vaping, and even checks my email for me!
Now don't go and think I'm a total fan-boy. I still have an RDA that will always put out more flavor than any genny. It's my IGO-S. The cap is so small that the flavor comes out almost twice as strong as any genny i've ever tried. It's my go-to flavor tester and fun to use on a stainless ego for some small-device stealth vaping, or to not draw too much attention in Denny's at 3AM.
Genesis styles can use almost any wicking material and can be set up as a dripper/tipper. They're very mod-friendly and very user-specific as far as preferences go. I can't see any IGO-L holding 3.5ml of liquid =)
A properly set up genny won't leak on its side, wont need the fill hole left open, holds enough liquid for a moderate day of vaping, and even checks my email for me!
Now don't go and think I'm a total fan-boy. I still have an RDA that will always put out more flavor than any genny. It's my IGO-S. The cap is so small that the flavor comes out almost twice as strong as any genny i've ever tried. It's my go-to flavor tester and fun to use on a stainless ego for some small-device stealth vaping, or to not draw too much attention in Denny's at 3AM.
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