Reaching my limits

[SMILIN]

Trog,

Bravo, well said, I actually agree 100%. This is the exact reason I believe these new disposable atomizer units are the wave of the present. I am working on perfecting them, as I type. These vape awesome. Not only are the atomizers disposable, the batteries are as well. They only will last so long. Too many sellers just charge too much.8-oOne day hopefully we can get these manufactured in either the USA, or UK, and maybe then, they would be better. They would certainly cost more, especially when the cost of good workers(high paid)in China is about .50-.80 dolar an hour.

I have learned a wee bit since I been around here.

look some bottom line information.. we sell the SD.. we know how long atomizers last.. we say buy new ones every two weeks on average... treat them as consumables right from the word go.. buy cheap and buy in bulk up front..

okay i break my own f-cking rule.. which is not to post in this place any more..

i have had enough of the whole mess.. but... e smoking is e smoking... the products have been mis-sold right from the f-cking word go... they are in essence all semi disposable items..

our SD itself isnt semi disposable but the atomizers at five dollars each are..

now if i get flamed by the usual lame brains that control this place i dont kinda care..

but if u are that desperate there is an answer... if u aint well its back to real tobacco else stop..

for the record the existing chinese factories are working two shifts a day seven days a week trying to keep up with the ever growing western demand for e cigs...

this is buggering up the ever lasting need to keep replacing failed e cig parts.. the fast supplier aint so fast any more.. they have no f-cking stock..

your ever loving troll

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

Every newbie needs to read this thread.

Forum members have had a big problem for a long time in not knowing how deep disillusionment with e-devices ran. How high is device failure rate? What is the quit success rate? How much must a smoker spend to keep up e-smoking? All questions likely have answers no one would advertise. We have not reached the Promised Land.

The cheerleaders here rank these almost as something passed down from God. Hardly. Our toys need a lot of improvement. But Smilin is on track. For anyone not wanting to spend the day dripping and charging and twisting apart and cleaning a vapor producer, disposables are the answer. Use 'em and toss 'em.

 

[surbitonPete]

The idea of the e-cig being disposable will send the greenies crazy .......imagine how many batteries and other bits would be heading to land fill.

 

[JustJulie]

I read once on the forum that we're all basically beta testers for e-cigs. So true.

But despite the fact that I am constantly topping off carts, switching batteries, and replacing defective parts, I'm still relatively happy because I've been at this a month, and I'm off of tobacco.

To me, that is huge, completely worth the hassle of e-cigs.

However, it is likewise true that these things are simply not ready for prime time TV. A lot more work needs to go into the design and manufacture before they'll see any widespread appeal.

I'm going to go on the hunt for some cheap atomizers/batteries in bulk . . . feel free to give me any suggestions on where to go. I'm going to treat these things as pretty much disposable and I think with that mindset, I'm going to be much happier.

 

[TropicalBob]

That's a healthy mindset, Julie. And you've reached the right conclusion.

Pete, what happens to ballpoint pens? Bic lighters? How many other items could anyone name that were once refillable and are now disposable. Convenience rules with the masses. Product evolution is always toward reliability and convenience. That perfectly describes the disposable e-cig.

And, no, they won't be recyclable. They'll be disposable as a single, closed unit that meets FDA standards for content and performance.

 

[gep]

Oh no, please let's not get the gov't involved in the R&D and production of these......Remember the $1000 screwdriver and the $250 toilet seat. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!8-o

I've tried to be supportive of the individuals that are braving this new frontier supplying the rest of us with a technology that is sorely lacking. I will NOT knock any of the suppliers. But they need to listen to the dissent as well as the cheerleading.

Trog, you may troll any thread of mine any day. You may be a tad rough around the edges but at least we know where you stand.

No one has twisted my arm to convince me to purchase all these toys, it's on me. I'm an adult and most of the time of sound mind.
I know these were not designed for the heavy duty smoker who needs to have their pacifier ready to go at a moments notice. That's why I keep a supply of batteries, atomizers etc on hand. But when the new ones fail within a week, or the "new" batteries don't hold a charge for more than an hour, or the USB passthrough has to be wiggled and jiggled to get it to work well, I feel like I've been screwed and not even a kiss! (sorry....how unfeminine of me..... )

Bob and Smilin, I have to agree, give me a disposible without all the damn maintenance. I'm tired of praying to the god of Vape everytime I get ready to smoke.

Malcontents and Misanthropes! Fall in!



PS: Julie, it may be that the only way to utilize this technology is to purchase from the manufacturer in bulk. That may be my next step until something that really works comes along.

PPS: I'm tired of seeing blinking LED's!!!!!!!!!!! They haunt me in my sleep!

 

[surbitonPete]

TB... even disposable lighters and ballpoint pens have a fairly long life span...I am not sure how long you are thinking the life of a disposable e-cig would be.... but it would still mean an awful lot more dangerous chemical filled batteries heading for the dumps......the greenies who want to save the planet sure aren't going to take that lightly.

 

[GermanGoodness]

Thank freaking gawd! Lately, I've been feeling like a fraud on this forum because the e-cigs haven't been quite cutting it for me. Like others, I'm using them more now for when I can't smoke analogs.

That being said, I am willing to try the disposables, if someone will point me in the right direction of a good supplier/product.

Any takers?

 

[gep]

TB... even disposable lighters and ballpoint pens have a fairly long life span...I am not sure how long you are thinking the life of a disposable e-cig would be.... but it would still mean an awful lot more dangerous chemical filled batteries heading for the dumps......the greenies who want to save the planet sure aren't going to take that lightly.

....one step at a time...how to dispose of them is a moot point until disposibles are a real possibility.

 

[e-pipeman]

At the moment I think all that it's possible to do is find stuff that works reliably enough and stick with it.

I have the biggest problems with penstyle atomisers - I love the amount of vape they give off but if I use them for any length of time they give up the ghost.

My Golden Shimmer e-cigar is about to be replaced as it has died...

The only kit that I have found to be dependable is my Intellicig kit. I'm spending a lot of time chained to the PC at the moment and use a classic Intellicig atomiser through a usb passthrough hooked into a battech usb battery. It just works - I never feel that I am going to try it and it will have died (unlike stuff mentioned above). The cart size is small and needs frequent refilling/topping off - but that's no different to pulling another cigarette from the packet (and no harder to do).

When out and about Evos work well for me - I love the long battery life.

I am very interested in the new Lady Pipe but have noted peoples' concerns about possible switch failure. I'm not a modder and would not be able to repair it should it pack in.

Clearly there are problems with the reliability of e-cigs, and it would be wonderful if we didn't have to try things only to find that they fail. Nothing is perfect, however - even tobacco pipes can be unpredictable, and "good" ones can be very expensive indeed.

If users complain when things go wrong and always send back goods that fail pressure will be placed on manufacturers by retailers/suppliers to improve quality. That's the only way to push this forward imho.

 

[surbitonPete]

I have to say that it seems as if most of the e-cigarettes have just about enough reliability that even if you are being very unlucky and getting a fairly high failure rate of parts, you are still likely to be saving money on analogues. I think the best thing is to order as many spare parts as you can possibly afford to buy at once because trying to make an atomizer or a battery last just a bit longer before you change it, only makes you feel fed up with vaping.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

Thank freaking gawd! Lately, I've been feeling like a fraud on this forum because the e-cigs haven't been quite cutting it for me.

You too?
I'm back up to almost a 100% analog use, I definately feel like a fraud,
I can only recomend the thing for going to the bar or out to eat
The honeymoon has been over for a long time

 

[JustJulie]

You know, I hate to see people posting that they're back on analogs . . . but I'm glad they're doing it. (Edited to clarify: I'm glad they're posting about it . . . I'm not glad they're back on analogs.)

It seems like such a no-brainer to many of us that e-smoking can be used as a cessation tool, and we've certainly seen many, many people who are off analogs for now (and hopefully forever). However, we've all known that there are people out there who, for whatever reason, haven't reduced or eliminated tobacco use in the long run. We also realize that this forum provides a self-selecting population pool because if you stop using e-cigs, you probably don't keep coming here . . . or at least not as often.

For me, e-cigs have been like a miracle. Nothing else has helped me shake a 30 year, 2+ pack a day habit. But I know that it's not like that for everybody. That's why I personally would love to see some studies done on how effective this is as a tobacco cessation tool . . . and that's not something that can be done with people like me, who've only been off of tobacco for a month . . . it needs to be a long-term study.

Anyway, sorry to take the thread off-topic, but I guess we've been meandering already, so perhaps I can be forgiven.

 

[surbitonPete]

Julie.....'we' will be our own long term study if we keep on vaping.

 

[JustJulie]

Lol, Pete . . . yes, and quite a study it will be.

 

[4130cowboy]

They (manufacturers) dont want to make their product thats too high of quality simply for the fact that order numbers will decrease and they wont be able to sell their products. Keeping them 'disposable' ensures continuous orders from frustrated vapor smokers.

 

[GermanGoodness]

You too?
I'm back up to almost a 100% analog use, I definately feel like a fraud,
I can only recomend the thing for going to the bar or out to eat
The honeymoon has been over for a long time

I hear you. However, I'm not quite ready to give it up as I still see it as another alternative to quitting. But SOMEBODY has to make a better e-cig!

After spending about $300 in the first month (far more than I spend on analogs), I just can't completely throw it out the window.

...Okay, I spent more because I wanted the "cool-looking" Pilot, accessories and more juice, but that's beside the point.

 

[GermanGoodness]

They (manufacturers) dont want to make their product thats too high of quality simply for the fact that order numbers will decrease and they wont be able to sell their products. Keeping them 'disposable' ensures continuous orders from frustrated vapor smokers.

Not quite, cowboy. If you look at the (short) history of e-cigs, and members of this forum, you'll see that the number of people willing to try it has increased. But if the manufacturers were to produce a quality product, that number would go up exponentially and they would greatly benefit from attachment sales (carts, cores, juice etc).

Judging from recent posts here, more people will give up vaping altogether if they continue to build an inferior product.

 

[JustJulie]

I'm back up to almost a 100% analog use, I definately feel like a fraud

My goodness! No one should feel like a "fraud." It's like I tell my agnostic husband who whines about feeling like a fraud when he goes to church, "It's not fraudulent if you're still open to believe."

 

[TropicalBob]

Another problem with the present failure rate is .. bad word of mouth.

I've never met another person who e-smokes. I've never met a single person who has even heard of e-cigarettes. They are getting publicity, but the word really isn't out yet. I am, however, always asked to demo the model I'm using in public. Then come the questions -- and the answers are NOT reassuring.

Now imagine an e-smoker who went back to tobacco cigarettes. What will that person say about the present crop of failure-prone devices? How many listeners will be influenced by his/her opinion? Bad word of mouth is a product killer.

P.S. Disposables? They're here. Ruyan Jazz. Ruyan Cigar. Both being sold now and, I've been told, are coming to a Walgreen's near you in April. Problem? Too expensive in a "cheap" cig state like Florida. The Jazz is equal to about 4 to 5 packs of cigs for $25. Needs to be no more than $20 to be a player, IMO.