I used to buy clones all of the time, unless it was a regulated device, those I bought the legit device but just recently my financial situation got better so I started buying real devices to support the people who actually do the work to make these devices and now I'm hooked. I can afford legitimate devices now so I'm going to support the mod makers. I used to think there wasn't a big difference between clones and real mods, and in some cases there aren't many, but I have a Lernaia hydra and zorbas, a hades, an ea mod b, a Zna, the lunar mod, a Blackhawk panzer and a titanide themis 18 and I really don't see myself going back to clones. To each their own but I'd rather spend my money on the legitimate versions of these devices from now on. Now I just need to find a gp paps x 1.5 to add to the collection.
Real or clone? And why?
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clones and here's why. for any hobby, it's hard to get a professional setup when your on a budget. I went to my local vape shop and purchased an ego twist for about $30 and a smoktech carto for $8. a just yesterday and later today, purchased a vamo v5 clone and sentinel m16 with a dripping atomizer for less than $50. now is it perfect? of course not. the m16 is not long enough to support an 18650 battery without exposing a good amount of threads. plus the drip tip on my atomizer will fall out if shaken decently hard, but some pluber's tape can make an easy fix, plus for $20 i'd say it's a steal.
Now, I fully understand that it's wrong to steal someone else idea but .......n! If people wouldn't buy certain mods just for the purpose flipping them for a $200 profit, maybe I wouldn't need to buy from china. there's just not enough supply to meet the demand. so IMO even if there were no such things as clones, mod makers wouldn't be able to keep up with demand which would just drive prices higher for everything.
Now, I fully understand that it's wrong to steal someone else idea but .......n! If people wouldn't buy certain mods just for the purpose flipping them for a $200 profit, maybe I wouldn't need to buy from china. there's just not enough supply to meet the demand. so IMO even if there were no such things as clones, mod makers wouldn't be able to keep up with demand which would just drive prices higher for everything.
Real mods have all of the same problems 1:1 clones have. 1:1 clones carry over the design defects that the originals have.
For instance, the crappy delrin ring on the Turtleship. The original has it and it has a chronic problem with battery rattle and misfires because of it. The 1:1 clones have it too because they copied the poor design of the original.
Ever hear complaints of a crunchy button on a Nemesis. Guess what, the real thing does the same thing with the same flat top batteries inside. Caravela's locking ring sucks on the real one just like the mods, and it has problems with certain toppers and button top batteries fitting.
Quite frankly most of these mod makers should go get real jobs. Mech mods are some of the easiest mechanical devices on earth. There is only two parts that move. Could you imagine Samuel Colt trying to make it as a gunsmith in the mid-1800s with crunch triggers, misfires, and problems getting the parts to fit together right?
It's sad that with todays high tech metalworking equipment, CAD designs, and all of the knowledge gained since the industrial revolution and mech mod makers can't even match the quality of a 1800s blacksmith who used nothing more than hammer, anvil, and tongs.
With authentic mods we support creators to do their job better and we have better products...
Aside from the ethical and philosophical arguments, here's my experience from a performance perspective:
I definitely go for authentic when it comes to rebuildable atomizers. There's a lot more creative engineering in the atty vs the mod. It's the engine of your vaporizer. A lot of times the clones have quality control issues as well.
I have both authentic and clone mods and the only clone i'm honestly really impressed by is the Hcigar Nemesis. Hands down the best bang for your buck.
I definitely go for authentic when it comes to rebuildable atomizers. There's a lot more creative engineering in the atty vs the mod. It's the engine of your vaporizer. A lot of times the clones have quality control issues as well.
I have both authentic and clone mods and the only clone i'm honestly really impressed by is the Hcigar Nemesis. Hands down the best bang for your buck.
Clones are the word used for any mod that mimics another mod. Some carry the actual logos and etchings of the real thing, others are devoid of any markings.
The easiest way to tell a clone is the price. Most Authentic mech mods run in the $150+ range, clones are in the sub-$70 range and most are well below $50. If you're looking at a $10-$50 mech, it's a clone.
I prefer to go with a clone, because of fincancial reasons. If I could afford an authentic Maraxus or Caravela though I'd definitely go authentic! lol
I don't have a real problem with a product that follows the basic design of the original. A mech mod is a tube, a switch and a top connector. I would much prefer to see the clones without the originals logos and would actually pay more for a clone with its own logo as opposed to the originals. Maybe use safer vapers naming i.e. sell a Chemesis with an engraving of a dragon instead of an angel. Vaper Train does have very nice copies - no logos and I'm sure there are others out there even some that have improvements to the original. The copy industry exists because of limited availability and high cost of the originals.
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You're mixing terminology here-
Counterfeit - Counterfeits will basically be an exact or very close replica of the original and not so much tied to the shape as it is more the markings. The shape would come into play if there are unique characteristics of the device. This can include grooves, cutouts, coloring, or trademarks in specific locations.
Clone - Can be similar in size, shape, and even design but will not contain the same markings or colors. As long as the device can be distinguished as different from the original, not just by the word clone, it will be considered a clone. Just by declaring a device a clone in it's title or description will not necessarily make it a clone. The clone device should be absent of all characteristics contained in the original, grooves, cutouts, coloring, or trademarks.
BTW, counterfeit can't be sold here in classifieds or co-ops.
Would I buy a clone? Sure. Counterfeit? Nope.
Counterfeit - Counterfeits will basically be an exact or very close replica of the original and not so much tied to the shape as it is more the markings. The shape would come into play if there are unique characteristics of the device. This can include grooves, cutouts, coloring, or trademarks in specific locations.
Clone - Can be similar in size, shape, and even design but will not contain the same markings or colors. As long as the device can be distinguished as different from the original, not just by the word clone, it will be considered a clone. Just by declaring a device a clone in it's title or description will not necessarily make it a clone. The clone device should be absent of all characteristics contained in the original, grooves, cutouts, coloring, or trademarks.
BTW, counterfeit can't be sold here in classifieds or co-ops.
Would I buy a clone? Sure. Counterfeit? Nope.
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Originals! Just because I hate supporting China! China has some cool stuff so don't get me wrong, however IMO, China is like a giant dollar store of the world. If you want a cheap, junked out knock off, you know where to look. Besides cloning is nothing more than stealing and profiting from other peoples ideas.
This is what i do. Its the reason why i bought real ithaka, plus all the issues i had with ithaka clone was resolved with the real one.
Send in the clones while we Jedi command from here and the citizens can stay safe in their beds!
Get what you like a can afford! I spend good money on DNA's, but buy clone mechs. That might change with the clone DNA's coming out. I cant buy a $200 mech i have to vape on a budget.
I bought a clone (M16) because it represents good value for the money. I have the metalworking machines and skills to make one and a metals vendor just down the road, But I couldn't make one for 16 bucks, even not counting my time. But I would before I would pay $100 for something not far up from pipe fittings. There really isn't anything patentable there. I do think copying logos and serial numbers is going too far. But the clone makers aren't making big bucks because they stole the design, they are making big money because they can make 10,000 a month and get the prices down to $16.
Depends on finances to me. I'd like to afford originals, but the price of clones allows me to have several I couldn't afford otherwise.
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