Real Side Effects from Vaping

[phillydave]

I think it is good to post and see if others have had similar problems but to post in the new members section and scare new users or people thinking about vaping isn't the best place. I think to blame the symptoms on vaping is just a guess and also a bit premature.

This is exactly it.

I have to roll my eyes every time I read a post by someone who used to smoke 1-3 packs a day for 5, 10, 30, 50 years and all the sudden now that they've quit sucking smoke all of their symptoms are attributed to vaping. I destroyed my body for 11 years on a pack a day, if my breathing is poor, if I have pain in my chest, if I'm coughing up my internal organs, I'm going to consider the more logical culprit first.

 

[SuckFace]

Human's seriously need to stop being SO DAMMED OPINIONATED. But thats just my opinion.

Hope you get and stay well soon..

 

[skyward]

I have to wonder why someone who has kicked nic for 3yrs would vape anything but 0mg juices.my2ct

 

[bornagainst]

bornagainst , I am a little surprised someone with a medical background like yourself would confuse an ENT (what the OP saw) with an EMT. An ENT is exactly the medical doctor he should be visiting.

EMT/ENT is an easy thing to confuse when you read a post somewhat quickly. Good to know, as I would have been angered immensely to recieve such advice.

However, it does not change the fact that the OP was given this information immediately (in his/her own words) without any sort of testing. To say that your Vagus nerve is affected in ANY way is a huge deal, and you just can't tell someone that point blank.

And third, doesn't change the fact that the OP was being unnecessarily reactionary when someone was simply offering advice that immediately doesn't placate them and/or the lowest common denominator.

 

[stillalive]

I have to wonder why someone who has kicked nic for 3yrs would vape anything but 0mg juices.my2ct

nicotine is not inherently bad. nicotine does not usually if ever kill people. some people function better with nicotine due to physical differences in brain chemistry or structure. There are a lot of reasons for many people to use nicotine, whether they're addicted or not.

 

[jayvolt]

My 2 cents:

1) posting your first post as a medical issue is iffy at best. Trying to introduce yourself first is customary on ANY board.

2) hostility makes your statement moot, even if you are telling the truth. Being calm and expressing yourself in an adult fashion is ALWAYS the best way

3) @born you are very right that is a crap diag right from the start. testing is needed to make a statement like that. It is akin to blaming EVERY stomach ailment in the friggin world on IBS

4) @still +1 your are correct it helps some people, as long as it is kept at therapeutic levels. Heparin is a great thinner but if you take too much you can die.

@OP you have to understand that there have been SO many troll threads that it is a touchy issue. Telling people your story is important to us all, it helps identify problems and make changes in the community. On the otherhand a little introduction is ALWAYS nice. I cannot tell you how far that and a little politeness goes in the world. While there are people that have had issues in the past with particular juices, and allergies, and nic, and blah blah blah it usually rears its ugly head early on. Being as you have vaped for 3 years and had this issue, you could provide REALLY excellent data if you were to have a lung function test and a full panel blood work up done.

I have to agree that your diag was a little to fast on the draw, you need testing before a doctor even has the right to feed you that kind of malarkey. I was told for years that I had IBS, in fact I had H.pylori, a curable bacterial infection. Ask me how mad I am that a doctor was too lazy to run tests and I suffered for 7 years? Please do a follow up, get a second opinion. Get REAL tests run, and come to us with results. Be mellow, and understand that with all of the outside "industries" trying to reek havok, people get a little tense.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I, for one, appreciate any and all info, whether it be positive or negative .. after all, are we not Guinea pigs in a way .. ?? Big tobacco denied cigs were harmful for many many years .. I don't think it's appropriate to disclaim a thread just because it appears to be cautionary in regard to health ..

I read so many posts regarding the health benefits of vaping, however, just exactly what long term evidence does anyone have .. ??

You may now feel free to swarm and attack ..

 

[NicLiq]

I, for one, appreciate any and all info, whether it be positive or negative .. after all, are we not Guinea pigs in a way .. ?? Big tobacco denied cigs were harmful for many many years .. I don't think it's appropriate to disclaim a thread just because it appears to be cautionary in regard to health ..

I read so many posts regarding the health benefits of vaping, however, just exactly what long term evidence does anyone have .. ??

You may now feel free to swarm and attack ..

You are right Uncle Willie - this post was in the new member's forum to begin with (because the original poster was new). The health and medical issues forum (where we are now) is the right place for it, and other issues, positive or negative.

 

[gingersnaps]

all that wording is just a hyped up way of saying you have an allergy. could be coincidence that it lessened when you stopped vaping or could be environmental like pollens or something was high for a bit or suddenly pg or other ingredient allergy. I have the exact thing happen to me all the time ( since long before vaping ) not getting enough fluids will worsen it with me. mine actually started when I moved to my current home a few yrs ago it took months to narrow it down to cottonwood allergy.

if you are concerned about what caused it check what pollens were high at the time, was the weather very hot and dry, where did you go, everything new that was not part of everyday routine. also contact the juice vendor and ask if there was a recipe change.

 

[Critter Man]

I think the main issue was the way in which the OP presented his info. It was inviting an argument, not a discussion. It almost came to flames.

I see this info as being something to note, but there are too many possible causes of his symptoms to blame them on vaping. Doctors are notorious for refusing to look for deeper causes to symptoms until it's time for an autopsy. This is mainly because they simply don't have the time or resources to chase down the cause of every non life threatening symptom. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, so stop doing the things the doctor thinks might be causing the symptoms and, if the symptoms persist, get on the phone and get some real tests run. It's amazing how much a doctor is willing to do for someone who calls their office every day

 

[Uncle Willie]

I don't disagree, however, my thoughts are all info is valid .. whether or not vaping caused the issue is something we can't speculate on .. so, we should not try to disclaim any post at this point in time .. after all, the statements many make on this forum claiming the safety of vaping is still really unknown ..

As well, one of the purposes of a forum is sharing information ..

 

[phillydave]

I don't disagree, however, my thoughts are all info is valid .. whether or not vaping caused the issue is something we can't speculate on .. so, we should not try to disclaim any post at this point in time .. after all, the statements many make on this forum claiming the safety of vaping is still really unknown ..

As well, one of the purposes of a forum is sharing information ..

Agreed. But the manner in which you dispense information needs to be handled carefully. Using your personal experience to illustrate what you believe is inarguable evidence as to why electronic cigarettes are in fact harmful is misleading and irresponsible. Discussing your experience in a manner that invites others to interject and offer their own ideas is probably a better route, rather than professing an ungrounded lecture to us naive users.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Agreed. But the manner in which you dispense information needs to be handled carefully. Using your personal experience to illustrate what you believe is inarguable evidence as to why electronic cigarettes are in fact harmful is misleading and irresponsible. Discussing your experience in a manner that invites others to interject and offer their own ideas is probably a better route, rather than professing an ungrounded lecture to us naive users.

Remaining factual and unemotional with a possible health issue is tough .. however, when posting information on a public forum, one should certainly stick with just the facts .. as SGT Friday would say ..

 

[phillydave]

I wouldn't propose being unemotional (after all, I am a therapist). I'm proposing presenting information non-dogmatically. One can be emotional and simultaneously offer personal experiences in a rational way.

 

[stillalive]

I wouldn't propose being unemotional (after all, I am a therapist). I'm proposing presenting information non-dogmatically. One can be emotional and simultaneously offer personal experiences in a rational way.

Exactly. There's a big difference between having a bad experience with something and trying to say that that something always causes major problems with long term use.

 

[phillydave]

Yep. And I wish the OP's final post hadn't been deleted. He/she was basically telling all of us that we were all fools and that they were presenting "facts" that we all wanted to ignore and that "long term vaping isn't safe" according to their having experienced these inevitable truths.

 

[Afterburner]

Best wishes to the OP.

It's obvious that when you have a personal experience of alarming symptoms you react emotionally.

Pity some posters were too insensitive to see that.

 

[phillydave]

Yes, what a pity. We should all irreverently and irresponsibly post whatever we want so that we can persuade people who may be considering quitting smoking cigarettes to just forget about using electronic cigarettes under the license of being emotional.

Quitting smoking is an emotional decision. Dealing with the bodily symptoms of smoking is emotional. We're all here for emotional reasons and we all post our opinions for emotional reasons. There's no reason we can't expect some rationality.

 

[Afterburner]

There was nothing irrational or irreverent in what the poster originally wrote.

Defensive, instinctive, default reactions backed him into an opposing rhetorical position, as is the case so often here.

 

[phillydave]

I see. You'd like to ignore what I've actually said. I've stated the opposite of what you claim I'm saying.

Your position is clear, and I'm okay with it. You are a saint, and we are simply insensitive.

Please, if you wish, re-read my last 5-6 posts on this thread. Where did I discourage sharing experiences or showing emotion? Please quote me if necessary.