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    Just read this thread and have to say......Bloody hell. What's going on over there and what looks like is going to happen on Sept 9 is just criminal. How this is allowed to carry on like this is insane.
    I really do hope all you guys and gals are stocking up before the s*** hits the fan.
     

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    I have several mods on hand, lots of tanks, etc. Been building/rebuilding for years, so at least I'm ahead of the curve on that part.
    Hi @Cicada55, been reading this thread about the restrictions your suffering. If your planning to diy, worth taking a look at www.vapinghardware.com, there is some good info about diy mixing and a suite of calculators, including E Liquid calculator that may be of help to you.
     
    Man, this is all really grim. It took a long time of experimenting before I found a setup that got me off tobacco, and I remember thinking how great it will be to smoke in places like airports and not bother anyone. The reality has been brutal. They're certainly out to stop us all. I found a local shop that still has juice, so I plan to hit that tomorrow and stock up as much as possible. Does anyone have the facts on being able to order nicotine or not? That would be a deal breaker I guess.
     

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    No one seems to know for sure if the Deeming Regulations are going to affect nicotine, but, even if they don't, there is talk of a huge tax increase that would raise the cost of, for example, a liter of 100mgs/ml nicotine to over a thousand bucks. I'd recommend getting nic now.
     

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    I have Yet to run into someone who Follows the FDA/Deeming that thinks it won't.
    It certainly makes sense that it would. And nicotine is mentioned specifically, is it not? I just haven't seen any details about what's going to happen nicotine-wise.
     
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    Welcome @Cicada55 and I am really sorry about what is happening. Depending on your age and how much you vape (and how committed you are to remaining vape free) really try to use the nicotine calculator to help you out.

    I have a crazy amount of nic in my freezer, something like close to 28 liters, but I am 45 and I high nic vaper. I am hoping it is overkill!

    In any case, I'm really glad you are here, and if you can check out Heartland vapes. Their budget nic makes up the majority of my stash (although I also have armor and some River nic.)

    I hope you can get what you need, and soon. You don't need the 'best" nic in the world there are tons of folks using Heartlands at the moment.

    What *I* am sad about are the multitude of vapers suddenly realizing "where is all the vape stuff?" and then RETURNING to smoking.

    There have been :"studies" stating people are returning to smoking due to COVID uh huh of course it's all COVID it is not THIS BS.

    If you have vaping pals, pass it on. In any state. It's not going to matter eventually NO states are going to be selling these products.

    Good luck keep calm and remember what it costs to smoke. Also, if you can store your nic in glass, in the freezer it's the best way to do it.

    Anna
     

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    Welcome @Cicada55 and I am really sorry about what is happening. Depending on your age and how much you vape (and how committed you are to remaining vape free) really try to use the nicotine calculator to help you out.

    I have a crazy amount of nic in my freezer, something like close to 28 liters, but I am 45 and I high nic vaper. I am hoping it is overkill!

    In any case, I'm really glad you are here, and if you can check out Heartland vapes. Their budget nic makes up the majority of my stash (although I also have armor and some River nic.)

    I hope you can get what you need, and soon. You don't need the 'best" nic in the world there are tons of folks using Heartlands at the moment.

    What *I* am sad about are the multitude of vapers suddenly realizing "where is all the vape stuff?" and then RETURNING to smoking.

    There have been :"studies" stating people are returning to smoking due to COVID uh huh of course it's all COVID it is not THIS BS.

    If you have vaping pals, pass it on. In any state. It's not going to matter eventually NO states are going to be selling these products.

    Good luck keep calm and remember what it costs to smoke. Also, if you can store your nic in glass, in the freezer it's the best way to do it.

    Anna
    Wow Anna, are you sure your 28ltrs of Nic is going to last you. Maybe you should consider getting a few more lol.
    Good for you. I think your covered.
     
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    Imma gonna be the person people swarm for nic in the nursing home. I will not sell my nic either. I am going to trade for it with precious, treasured heirlooms. You know, figurines, a gigantic scorpion in a bottle some guy like cured, etc.

    But yeah, the precious stuff. I am gonna be a super nice old granny (I hope) but like I am gonna be super mean with the nicotine.

    Anna
     

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    Lots of vape related stuff will be all but impossible to buy. There is talk of a HUGE tax on nicotine to the tune of 2700.00 per liter. So even DIY will be a trick if you haven't already stocked up.
    Good thing I used vaping to Detox from Cigarette Nicotine.. Buy enough Nicotine to Detox From it & Enjoy Your Nicotine Free Vaping Figure if no one is using Nicotine Prices will drop again Especially on Cigarettes & other Tobacco Products. Let tobacco moguls Eat their own Malfeasant Greed
     

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    What your dealing with now is only new laws/regulations a state level... after Sept. 9 we have a lot of new regulations going on, on the federal/ national level that will affect every state in the nation.

    After Sept. 9, any vape item (whether mods, pods or ejuice) without an application for FDA approval on file with the FDA will no longer legally be able to sell their products in the United States.

    The application process is daunting, prohibitively expensive for small businesses/manufacturers and noone still has any clue what the FDA will or will not approve (meaning many will close shop before they spend their life savings on a maybe we'll approve you, or maybe we'll tell you no).

    This will crush any small vape manufacturer, (and thus most small vape shops)and much of what is available in the U.S. today, won't be any longer.

    Back in 2016 the FDA themselves estimated that up to 90% of what is sold in the U.S. will no longer be able to be after deeming hits, and that date is less than a month away.

    Here is a nicotine calculator that will help you to calculate how much nicotine you'll need for stocking up.

    Vaping Community e-liquid Calculator - Vapocalypse Calculator

    And so you know, we decant our nicotine into glass bottles, wrap them in bubble wrap etc and store them in the freezer. This way they will keep for a very long time to come. (Many have small dedicated nicotine freezers, that lock. They aren't prohibitively expensive and this keeps nicotine away from food or any potential accidents, although not everyone goes that route.)

    Also, the most common nicotine base to buy is 100mg/ml... and for freebase nicotine it's running about 50 dollars a liter (1000 ml)...

    our lawmakers would like to add a per mg nicotine tax at the federal level, which if successful, would make that 50 dollar bottle of today's nicotine into nearly a 3 thousand dollar bottle.

    Not trying to scare you... it is what it is though and you should be thanking Maine in some degree because at least you know now. The governments angry about the loss in tax revenue by everyone quitting smoking... and they are going to try to either destroy us, or tax us the same as cigarettes so they aren't out any revenue.

    Like someone else said, your best bet right now is to find freinds or family in a different state so you'll have a fighting chance.
    Extortion attacks on Indepedant Entrepreneurial commerce. Again after Nov Elections we'll have a better shot at Common Sense Legislative Appeals. If we can restore sanity & common sense govt
     

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    One of the long time nic suppliers says they will submit a PTMA and expect to be doing business without interruption. The same my be true or others. If the FDA accepts the applications those businesses will be able to carry on for at least a year. I hope that's true but I'll be taking no chances.
     
    I feel like I'm always two seconds from buying a pack of smokes. If my battery dies when I'm driving, I start to panic. I miss it dearly, but sure wouldn't want to go back. Funny how sensitive you are tobacco smoke when you've been off it for a while. I think of all the times I went to meet clients and thought they couldn't smell it since I cracked the windows on the way. Now I can smell it on people 20 feet away. Had no idea I was probably offending people at those meetings. So many negatives from tobacco. Hopefully we all survive this crap. I'm so sick of hearing misleading ads locally about the horrors of vaping...
     
    Question- I'm ordering supplies, and have the VG & PG picked out, but with the nicotine, it lists Unflavored Nicotine E-Liquid Base, but offers it in different mixes of PG & VG. Is this what I'm looking for? Also they have the Nicotine Salt stuff. Also, any advice on flavors (Tobacco, non-fruity types)? RY4 has been one of my main flavors for the last few years.
     

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    Question- I'm ordering supplies, and have the VG & PG picked out, but with the nicotine, it lists Unflavored Nicotine E-Liquid Base, but offers it in different mixes of PG & VG. Is this what I'm looking for?
    Yes, correct. Nicotine comes in a base of either VG or PG. Nic in PG is easier to work with. The viscosity of VG makes it a little harder to work with.

    Also, any advice on flavors (Tobacco, non-fruity types)? RY4 has been one of my main flavors for the last few years.
    I can't help you there as I don't vape tobacco flavors.

    If you start a thread on 'recommendations for tobacco flavors' in the DIY E-Liquid sub you will likely get many more answers than you would here.

    Good luck.
     

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    Are you getting 100mgs/ml nicotine? You want at least that. It's up to you whether you want it in 100%VG, 100%PG, or a mixture of the two. Some say it stores better in VG; some say PG is better. One thing that's sure is that VG is harder to pour, especially when it's cold.

    Free-base versus salt nicotine is another matter of personal preference. If you don't like throat hit or vape at really high nic levels, go for salts.

    As for flavors, there's a huge variety from which to choose, as you've probably already found out. We're all hoping they won't go away, since they're used in food preparations, and you probably don't need to go crazy stocking up on them. Figuring out what to buy when you're getting started can be daunting, though. There's all kinds of information in the DIY Liquid forum, but it can be overwhelming to sift through. A fellow who goes by the name of @vaper1960 compiled a long list of the best-reviewed flavors that might be of help to you; you can find it here.
     
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