really needing some help/opinions

[ltk31]

okay first off let me start with a little introduction. i am 20 years old, i have smoked between 1 pack and 1 1/2 packs of Marlboro Reds for 5 years now.. i know, started early.

ordered my EVOD2 and 6 sample juices from Seduce juice based on a friends suggestions.

The juices are all 24mg nicotine, and 50%PG / 50%VG

The juices I bought were at my door in 3 days, so i guess they havent had much time to age or whatever

heres what I bought
Myrrh
Vanilla Custard
Chalice
Rapture
Exodus 7:20
Jezebel

i cannot get any taste out of myrrh and vanilla custard besides what tastes like eraser shavings..

rapture has 0 taste, exodus has 0 taste, and jezebel tastes like sour vomit.

chalice i can taste 100% blueberry/lemon like i am supposed to! tastes very good

one problem I am having is that when inhaling even a little bit, i get a sore dry throat, and tend to start coughing.

i do not like the way this feels, but I have only smoked 5 real cigarettes in 2 days now! compared to what wouldve been 40 or 50...

i want to remain pretty much smoke-free, but this is irritating my throat pretty badly, also my tongue burns..

what can i do? is it the 24mg nicotine, is it the pg/vg ratios? i am completely at a loss, and would love some pointers...

sorry for the long post, and thank you in advance for all the input!

 

[30+Years]

24mg is pretty high. I started with 18mg and I smoked 2 PAD for 35 years. You may want to lower it?

Also did you shake up your juice before trying it?

 

[twgbonehead]

Hi, Itk! Welcome to ECF!

It might be the nicotine; 24mg is fairly strong.

It might also just be an adjustment to vaping. Are you trying to inhale directly into your lungs, or are you sucking it into your mouth first, and then inhaling? (The second is better, particularly when starting).

Also, drink a lot of water. VG will absorb moisture fairly strongly, which can dry out your mouth, throat, tongue, etc.

As far as "flavorless" e-juice, it might need to steep, or it might just not have a strong flavor. Getting juices you like is the HARDEST part of vaping. At least you have one that you like!

Good luck, and hang in there!

 

[Megan4233]

I am also getting that irritation in the back of my throat as well. It can be 2 things: an allergic reaction to the PG or a reaction to quit smoking. I haven't determined which one it is yet as I am relatively new to vaping(I just bought my vape on Sunday and have been cigarette free since Sunday night). At first when I wake up this doesn't happen but by 8-9am in the morning I am CONSTANTLY coughing after every hit/puff.

Are you taking gentle hits or normal "I'm smoking a cigarette" hits?

I've noticed that it hasn't mattered what the nicotine level is(my tobacco flavor is 24mg, another flavor is 18mg and my 3rd flavor is 6mg).

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Buying juices by mail is kinda risky. What tastes delicious to one can taste like sawdust to another.

Hopefully you can find a B&M near enough to you to try some juices before you actually have to lay down your dollars purchasing it.

The pics beside the description on websites really don't mean a thing.

 

[ltk31]

i did not shake up my juices

if it could be an allergic reaction to the PG, would it be wise to test out a bottle of something that is 100% VG?

is there a difference when inhaling 100% VG vs say 50/50 or higher PG levels?

ive tried inhaling several different ways, all resort in harsh coughing

 

[AndriaD]

PG is usually what people always point to as the culprit; I'm surprised to see someone saying anything bad about VG, though to me, vaping VG is like inhaling whipped cream straight into my lungs, it just sits there, won't go away, won't cough up, until I go back to the PG I'm used to.

PG will dehydrate you, and I've heard that some people have a hard time getting accustomed to it though I've never found it a problem, in 30 yrs of using an asthma inhaler. I've heard that there is such a thing as an allergy to PG, and though I'm a bit skeptical, it's true that people can be allergic to some strange stuff -- I'm allergic to gypsum, of all things. But it does seem amazing to me that people who've been sucking SMOKE into their mouth and lungs should suddenly have a problem with a little PG, which is in pretty much everything.

But it is very dehydrating, no question about that. And for someone not used to it, I guess it could be an irritant. For both reasons, you need to drink lots and lots and lots of water, and when you think your kidneys are floating, best to go on and drink some more. Which will also help in the expulsion of tar from your lungs, and other assorted cigarette-toxins from your body.

24mg is extremely high; 18mg and 12mg both made me sick as a dog, I don't even want to imagine what 24mg would have done to me -- hyperemesis most likely. For someone who's only smoked for 5 yrs, I'd say that 18mg is a bit high, but, if your cigarettes were very strong and high in nicotine, then 18mg might be warranted. Actually I'd say see how you do with 12mg; if you have really terrible cravings, then maybe bump it to 15mg, using some of that 24mg juice you've got.

But good going, however it turns out; it's nice to see that the wisdom to switch from cigs to e-cigs is not solely reserved for those of us who've been torturing our lungs for decades!

Welcome to ECF!!
Andria

 

[Megan4233]

is there a difference when inhaling 100% VG vs say 50/50 or higher PG levels?

I honestly don't know this. After dealing with this coughing I decided to look up allergic reactions to PG and itchy throat is like #1(that and coughing).

If it isn't over by next week I plan on buying 100% VG organic/all natural juice. Which is a little more pricey than what I did pay for my current juice but if it works.....

It could also be a reaction to the flavorings. To be honest, you won't know until you try different things(like 100% VG/organic only/natural flavorings) or until it has been long enough for your body to get used to it(remember vaping is liquid....and you used to smoke BURNED chemicals/paper/tobacco....itll take some time for your body to adjust either way).

 

[Buggainok]

About the juices that seem to have zero taste, it could be your taste buds have not recovered from smoking for those years. Give it some time and it should improve. I had that problem, and found only a couple I could taste at first, Cinnamon Roll and Butterscotch. They are still among my favorites, too.

 

[twgbonehead]

i did not shake up my juices

if it could be an allergic reaction to the PG, would it be wise to test out a bottle of something that is 100% VG?

is there a difference when inhaling 100% VG vs say 50/50 or higher PG levels?

ive tried inhaling several different ways, all resort in harsh coughing

One thing you can try is just get some plain VG from the drugstore, and try vaping that straight. (Hopefully you have a spare head you can use just for that).

It should taste pretty flavorless (perhaps a bit sweet). If that irritates your throat, it is probably a water issue. (I am presuming that the vape is not uncomfortably hot?) If it doesn't it's most likely either a nic issue or a PG issue.

Also, vaping is different than smoking; it can take a couple of days or a week for you to get accustomed to it; you may find that the symptoms you described just disappear.

Drinking a lot of water was one of the recommendations I originally ignored (like "eat your vegetables") believe me, it makes a BIG difference!

 

[ltk31]

so maybe i will try a bottle of VG, i read somewhere that PG is what causes throat hit like a cigarette, and VG is more vapor. if that is true, i think i would prefer vg or maybe like a 20%PG/80%VG mix, just to lighten the hit a little bit, so coming from someone who has smoked way longer saying 24mg is too high, i will listen and try a 12mg bottle of something, i hate to waste so much money, but in the long run i guess i will start saving..

maybe i can find someone wanting to trade, but it seems theres not many vaping 24 mg haha

 

[patkin]

In my opinion, PG being the problem is pretty slim. Rather, I would say its a combo of high nic and citrus (lemon) flavor plus not drinking enough. Staying hydrated... including your throat.... mean for about every 10 draws of vapor, one gulp of some non-irritating liquid like water is required to replenish moisture on your throat. The drinking thing cannot be understated... its critically important. Also, as said, realize that nic is an irritant.. that's how it give throat hit. Lemon is also as any citrus is. All these have created the "perfect storm" as I see it.

Edit: forgot to mention... atty/clearo ohms plus voltage can also be a factor. If your throat hit is strong which it probably is with 24mg plus citrus, use a higher ohm clearo/atty and back your voltage down if you're using a variable voltage setup. The less "heat" inhaled, the less irritation.

 

[ltk31]

I honestly don't know this. After dealing with this coughing I decided to look up allergic reactions to PG and itchy throat is like #1(that and coughing).

If it isn't over by next week I plan on buying 100% VG organic/all natural juice. Which is a little more pricey than what I did pay for my current juice but if it works.....

It could also be a reaction to the flavorings. To be honest, you won't know until you try different things(like 100% VG/organic only/natural flavorings) or until it has been long enough for your body to get used to it(remember vaping is liquid....and you used to smoke BURNED chemicals/paper/tobacco....itll take some time for your body to adjust either way).

i was also curious about how i could inhale ash and tar and paper and whatever the hell else, but not a little liquid vapor? haha

About the juices that seem to have zero taste, it could be your taste buds have not recovered from smoking for those years. Give it some time and it should improve. I had that problem, and found only a couple I could taste at first, Cinnamon Roll and Butterscotch. They are still among my favorites, too.

i was looking at the cinnamon roll flavor from mt baker actually, would you suggest that, or another vendor?

One thing you can try is just get some plain VG from the drugstore, and try vaping that straight. (Hopefully you have a spare head you can use just for that).

It should taste pretty flavorless (perhaps a bit sweet). If that irritates your throat, it is probably a water issue. (I am presuming that the vape is not uncomfortably hot?) If it doesn't it's most likely either a nic issue or a PG issue.

Also, vaping is different than smoking; it can take a couple of days or a week for you to get accustomed to it; you may find that the symptoms you described just disappear.

Drinking a lot of water was one of the recommendations I originally ignored (like "eat your vegetables") believe me, it makes a BIG difference!

i have been drinking quite a bit of water, because i am also cutting out pop at the same time as cigarettes!

i will try to find some pure vg, if not, what are some good 100% VG vendors out there where i can try a few small samples?

 

[ltk31]

i have quite a few wrote down on my "to try" list, i just have no clue what pg/vg % to order, but i will switch to 12 mg nicotine regardless. and i can see what you mean about the citrus, i just switched to exodus 7:20, which is mixed fruits (with not much taste at the moment) and the throat hit is slightly less

i have an EVOD2 pen style vape, im not sure if i am able to adjust anything on this? im here to learn though!

 

[30+Years]

You can dilute the 24mg down the the VG. Of course you will lose some (more) flavor. 50/50 mix would get you 12mg.

 

[chellemmm]

Eat a pickle. Seriously, this will help w/the taste. Keep drinking water, juice, beer...

 

[ltk31]

so is it correct that pg = throat hit, and vg = vapor? so 100% vg has little throat hit?

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

so is it correct that pg = throat hit, and vg = vapor? so 100% vg has little throat hit?

I recently tried a juice with 80%VG and 20%PG and it has no throat hit. I prefer a high amount of PG for the throat hit.

I used to have the same problem as you with PG but my body got used to it and now I can chain vape for hours with little to no throat irritation.

 

[AndriaD]

so is it correct that pg = throat hit, and vg = vapor? so 100% vg has little throat hit?

Pretty much correct -- also PG carries flavors better; with VG you get a lot of vapor and not much else.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Eat a pickle. Seriously, this will help w/the taste. Keep drinking water, juice, beer...

ROFL... I go for the BBQ Pork Rinds... salty, kinda spicy... really perks up the taste buds! After I eat those for a few minutes, suddenly my very mild-flavored e-juice really SINGS!

Andria