Really unhappy with the quality of my vaping lately

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Hey all,

So about a year or so ago, I went out and spent a couple hundred dollars on an Eleaf iStick 30w and 50w mods, a Nautilus and Nautilus mini, extra coils, juices, etc. Over the last 4 months or so, I've also started getting into more sub-ohm stuff, like two Triton tanks, a Kanger Subtank Mini, and juices from various vendors.

The problem occurring now is that I don't seem to be satisfied with the quality of anything I have, and I'm getting tired of buying a new tank/new coils/new vape juice every 30-45 days only to continue to be disappointed. Here are my current issues:

1. I primarily buy juice from Vape-Rite, located in Georgia. At their vape bars, which use a lot of the same hardware I have (Eleaf mods and either Nautilus tanks or Subtanks), everything tastes wonderful. When I get it home, a lot of times it doesn't, and I don't know why. Elaborating further, a lot of times I'll buy a 50/50 mix at 12 or 18 mg (for mouth to lung on my Nautilus tanks). I max out at 10 or 11 watts, and sometimes I get decent flavor and the coil will last long enough to go through an entire 30ml bottle. But other times, the coil will start to exhibit signs that it is clogging up, it sounds like something is "stuck" and gurgles, and I'll get burnt tasting hits and see a dark brown substance coming out of the wicking holes back into the juice. Sometimes this happens only after 3 or 4 hits. I am priming the coils correctly to my knowledge, and I let the tank sit for 10-15 minutes before vaping. Using the non-subOhm coils for my Subtank Mini on the same juice exhibits similar behavior, with the flavor just not being there and a slight tinge of being burnt. The juice also tastes a bit acidic in nature. I thought I might be going too high, but this even happens at 8 or 9 watts, which isn't even enough to get adequate vapor production. I would suspect the juice itself is bad or tainted in some way, but I've gotten 4 or 5 bottles in the last 3 months that do exactly this. I thought the juice might be too thin, so one time I went for a 70 VG/30PG mixture, but the vapor this produced seemed too warm/thick and the flavor profile was very diminished, and also a bottle of VR juice in that mixture also exhibited the same burning issues in the Nautilus tanks.

2. I wanted to try sub-ohming, so I got two Triton tanks and then the Subtank Mini later on. I liked the fact that these tanks can do both mouth-to-lung with standard 1.8 or 1.3 ohm coils, and direct-lung with the subohm coils, so if I didn't like the whole direct-to-lung stuff I could use them the other way, too. I got some different juice from Fuzion Vapor, 3mg and thick VG. First off, the Triton tanks are loud as hell when inhaling on them, so much so that I don't find it acceptable to use in public. Secondly, it's very very difficult to get a tight enough draw on them using the 1.8 ohm coils for mouth-to-lung. I feel like my mouth is filling up with too much air much too quickly, no matter how closed off the air holes on the top and bottom are. With the subohm coils, I'm getting good vapor production, but it almost seems too tasteless and airy for my liking. I'm not getting that nice throat hit anymore, and it seems to be too much inhaling work to vape.

I think I prefer mouth-to-lung style vaping, but I'm unhappy with the latest tanks that are set up for it (that being the Triton/Subtank) and both of my Nautilus tanks seem to chew through coils and have all of those clogging/burning issues, and a pack of coils is $20 a piece and I'm burning so much money going through them. All of the new stuff coming out seems to be either TC stuff or very low sub-ohming at ridiculous wattages. I'd like to think that maybe I'm doing the whole direct lung hit vaping wrong, because everyone seems to love it, but I don't feel like I'm getting that same great flavor, throat hit, and nicotine buzz as I do with something like a Nautilus and 12-18mg juice (when the Nautilus works and doesn't end up destroying the coil by the 3rd or 4th drag).

I'm also getting tired of buying a new tank, coils, and juice every month and being just as unhappy in one way or the other. It's becoming a money pit of unhappiness.

So here's where I turn to you guys. Are my tanks messed up? Are my mods? Am I doing something wrong here? Using the wrong kind of juice? If my hardware needs to be replaced, what would I be happy with? Are the Vapresso ceramic coils and 75w mods good? I see a lot of reviewers are raving about them right now, but I'm not sure if they can produce the kind of flavor and nicotine hit that I'm used to with 18mg juice.

Thanks for any guidance and help!
 

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There are too many variables in the equation to find one solution ... one happy solution ... with what you have. I'm sure there are solutions because many folks seem happy with the equipment you have. But, I do have one recommendation.

While I've never tried the Air tanks so many MTL tootlers seem to prefer, I do have and enjoy an Innokin T18. The flavor from the Prism tank and coil is unsurpassed in my arsenal of kits ... unless maybe I consider one of the sub ohm setups I have but that's another thing all together and sometimes hard to find a good sweet spot.

The Innokin T18 is a simple starter kit ... add juice and vape. No air, voltage, wattage or temperature to set. That makes the T18 my go to tank when dashing out the door or just tootling around. This thing isn't fiddly in any regard.

The T18 is an easy top fill MTL winner IMO and the coil seems to last "forever". The 1000 mah battery charge lasts much longer than I expected too. It does sputter/pop a bit from time to time (dual top coils) even with the 1.5 ohm coil and regulated constant 14W battery output. The perfectly adequate cig like size drip tip had to go. Everyone has a fav drip tip and any 510 tip will fit. Some better than others because the tip receptacle on the Prism tank is slightly shallow to fit the full assortment of drip tips I have.

A larger Prism tank and battery using the same coil is available as the Innokin T22. I have two T18's and two T22's ... I like the T18 better.

So, I wish you the very best of luck sorting your vape out. But if nothing seems to work and MTL is what you prefer, I don't think you'd be disappointed with the Innokin T18 ... unless you aren't satisfied unless you have all the bells and whistles.

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Maybe try a rebuild able tank atty , you do have a lot of variables going on there, if you built your own coils that would reduce a few and save money, you could build pro and sub ohm, however you wish, may have to check the specs on your devices for sub ohm, but certainly they will be able to handle a satisfying build
 
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I hated the Triton tank. I do like the coils for it. But the tank was really bad.

I do like the STM but agree coil life is very poor. The RBA is very good.

Nautilus tank was a great tank in its day but the coils were/are terrible.

Which leads me to my answer for you based in part on what you stated as needs and part SWAG.

The Triton Mini. Its a good little tank. The coils are fantastic.

A cheaper option would be the Triton Mini coils in you Nautilus. They interchange. I personally like the 1.8 claptons.
 

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I agree with coolerat on the 1.8 claptons in the Triton Mini and Nautilus. Nice

My biggest hit on the Triton Mini tank in regards to the OP is that MTL is not ideal ... but neither is DL on the Mini for that matter. With coil choices, the Triton Mini gives a hint of all vaping styles but doesn't excel at any one. Not only that but plan on refilling the Mini ... maybe a couple of times if it's going to be your all day vape. ... and then there is the fiddly fill on the Mini that only a needle spout will work best with.

I find that the 1.8 coils take up too much room or something (slight cut in airflow) in the Mini if doing DL. For DL, I find the supplied 1.2 Kanthal works best.

And then there is the warmer sub ohm with the supplied 0.15 Ni coil ... but trying to find the sweet spot for nickel sub ohm on this little fiddly Triton Mini tank is a pain. Maybe that's why the temp control feature on the Mini Pegasus is adjustable in one degree increments.
 
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Hey all,

So about a year or so ago, I went out and spent a couple hundred dollars on an Eleaf iStick 30w and 50w mods, a Nautilus and Nautilus mini, extra coils, juices, etc. Over the last 4 months or so, I've also started getting into more sub-ohm stuff, like two Triton tanks, a Kanger Subtank Mini, and juices from various vendors.

The problem occurring now is that I don't seem to be satisfied with the quality of anything I have, and I'm getting tired of buying a new tank/new coils/new vape juice every 30-45 days only to continue to be disappointed. Here are my current issues:

1. I primarily buy juice from Vape-Rite, located in Georgia. At their vape bars, which use a lot of the same hardware I have (Eleaf mods and either Nautilus tanks or Subtanks), everything tastes wonderful. When I get it home, a lot of times it doesn't, and I don't know why. Elaborating further, a lot of times I'll buy a 50/50 mix at 12 or 18 mg (for mouth to lung on my Nautilus tanks). I max out at 10 or 11 watts, and sometimes I get decent flavor and the coil will last long enough to go through an entire 30ml bottle. But other times, the coil will start to exhibit signs that it is clogging up, it sounds like something is "stuck" and gurgles, and I'll get burnt tasting hits and see a dark brown substance coming out of the wicking holes back into the juice. Sometimes this happens only after 3 or 4 hits. I am priming the coils correctly to my knowledge, and I let the tank sit for 10-15 minutes before vaping. Using the non-subOhm coils for my Subtank Mini on the same juice exhibits similar behavior, with the flavor just not being there and a slight tinge of being burnt. The juice also tastes a bit acidic in nature. I thought I might be going too high, but this even happens at 8 or 9 watts, which isn't even enough to get adequate vapor production. I would suspect the juice itself is bad or tainted in some way, but I've gotten 4 or 5 bottles in the last 3 months that do exactly this. I thought the juice might be too thin, so one time I went for a 70 VG/30PG mixture, but the vapor this produced seemed too warm/thick and the flavor profile was very diminished, and also a bottle of VR juice in that mixture also exhibited the same burning issues in the Nautilus tanks.

2. I wanted to try sub-ohming, so I got two Triton tanks and then the Subtank Mini later on. I liked the fact that these tanks can do both mouth-to-lung with standard 1.8 or 1.3 ohm coils, and direct-lung with the subohm coils, so if I didn't like the whole direct-to-lung stuff I could use them the other way, too. I got some different juice from Fuzion Vapor, 3mg and thick VG. First off, the Triton tanks are loud as hell when inhaling on them, so much so that I don't find it acceptable to use in public. Secondly, it's very very difficult to get a tight enough draw on them using the 1.8 ohm coils for mouth-to-lung. I feel like my mouth is filling up with too much air much too quickly, no matter how closed off the air holes on the top and bottom are. With the subohm coils, I'm getting good vapor production, but it almost seems too tasteless and airy for my liking. I'm not getting that nice throat hit anymore, and it seems to be too much inhaling work to vape.

I think I prefer mouth-to-lung style vaping, but I'm unhappy with the latest tanks that are set up for it (that being the Triton/Subtank) and both of my Nautilus tanks seem to chew through coils and have all of those clogging/burning issues, and a pack of coils is $20 a piece and I'm burning so much money going through them. All of the new stuff coming out seems to be either TC stuff or very low sub-ohming at ridiculous wattages. I'd like to think that maybe I'm doing the whole direct lung hit vaping wrong, because everyone seems to love it, but I don't feel like I'm getting that same great flavor, throat hit, and nicotine buzz as I do with something like a Nautilus and 12-18mg juice (when the Nautilus works and doesn't end up destroying the coil by the 3rd or 4th drag).

I'm also getting tired of buying a new tank, coils, and juice every month and being just as unhappy in one way or the other. It's becoming a money pit of unhappiness.

So here's where I turn to you guys. Are my tanks messed up? Are my mods? Am I doing something wrong here? Using the wrong kind of juice? If my hardware needs to be replaced, what would I be happy with? Are the Vapresso ceramic coils and 75w mods good? I see a lot of reviewers are raving about them right now, but I'm not sure if they can produce the kind of flavor and nicotine hit that I'm used to with 18mg juice.

Thanks for any guidance and help!

MM my honest suggestion is you need to go far a targeted build. One that deliberately is designed for vapor/flavor density at the level that best fits your vape. As the industry has progressed to favoring high power (and high consumption) builds the emphasis has moved beyond what the average person enjoys (kayfun @ ~17.5W MTL). Most factory and our winds are essentially diffusion builds (post vape heating) which largely are enjoyed by lung-hitters, myself included mostly. And you rightly point out that consumables are getting pricier and not that significantly more efficient in survivability.


To get consistent vapor density you must build for efficiency. Thirty seconds to a repeatable high efficiency vape can be had as above utilizing balanced strain, proper (Kanthal) oxidation and the ergonomics introduced for rebuilding with tension here…

Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!
Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.

Lot of very sophisticated approaches and preferences abound on ECF. But when you want to get to that reliable vape and great build TWICE, you need to be able to duplicate it exactly. Now that you see would be a method.

Drop a note on one of the above threads, see if a subscriber may help with your questions. Or, PM me. Happy to try and help.

Good luck.

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For an easy peasy nothing to adjust or fiddle with, very satisfying MTL experience I recommended the Innokin T18 above.

For an easy peasy very satisfying sub ohm DL nothing to adjust or fiddle with ... heck, nothing comes off or apart to even fill the tank, the top ring of the tank rotates to a fill opening ... I recommend the Melo 2 sitting on an iJust 2 battery with the Melo 0.3 ohm kanthal coil. Fill it and vape away. I WOULD NOT recommend using a Ni or Ti coil in this tank on the iJust 2 battery. MAY not be safe AND/OR healthy. Stay with the 0.3 kanthal.

After the fifty bucks or so for the T18/Melo2/iJust2 battery all together and out the door ... I could have just stopped buying stuff for a good while LOL. Guess I'm too compulsive and like to fiddle with stuff or something ... and gather accoutrement stuff and such ... shoot

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I'll ramble a little bit to juice. A lot of times, tasting bars mix at 0mg nic for their testers. Adding nic, while providing throat hit, may impede the flavor of a juice. You mention "I mix to 12-18mg" - does that mean YOU'RE adding nic, or you're getting your juices at a 12-18mg level when you buy them?

If YOU are adding the nic, you're already diluting the flavor at which it was made. (I DIY all my juices now, so I'm in control of my nic level and my flavor) I have some Nautis (and THANKS to the guys indicating that the Triton Mini coils work in the Nautis - woo, I'ma check that out)

Other consideration re: juices is that darker/sweeter flavors CAN gunk a coil more quickly. I have a couple of kayfun clones (including the kayfun mini) that I absolutely STRUGGLE with building to not get dry hits. I apparently need an airier pull, so the KFs aren't my favored toppers these days. I noticed a LOT, especially with the KF Mini, that my juices would start darkening VERY quickly and the flavor would be burnt. Can't tell ya how many bad words have been said about THAT!

I run mostly with PT2s, Subtank Minis/Nanos, and Nautis. I recently snagged onto some eGo ONE tanks and I use the CLR (rebuildable) heads. I rebuild my PT2 heads and an occasional Subtank head. There are SO many options out there - it's overwhelming. Don't really know what hardware to recommend. Everyone is different. Just because *I* like a topper doesn't mean that you will (the mod itself is less critical in my opinion - it's merely a power source to me.) I can run a Nauti on any one of my mods, and the vape is basically the same for me.

Good Luck.... I hope you snag something that works for you!
 

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Thank you all so much for your advice and suggestions, I'm going to take a look at all of the hardware and options mentioned here.

Another two issues I am facing leads me to believe that it is time to get a new mod or two. My two Eleafs both are screwy with how they are reading resistances, my 50w more so than my 30w. I just cleaned up and put a fresh 1.8 coil into one my Triton tanks, and my 50w is reading it at 2.6 ohms. Letting it sit for a few minutes and it drops to 2.4 and 2.2. When I start firing it and vaping, it eventually will drop to 2.0. If I unscrew it and put it back on, it will go up to 2.6 again, and then drop to 2.0 once I vape a couple of times. Both of my Eleafs also read fresh Nautilus coils at 2.0 or 2.1 when I use those tanks, and the 30w seems to not hold a charge as long anymore. They are both 12 months old, so maybe it is time to retire them. I have cleaned out the 510 connections on both (wiping away some black gunk from the inside) and they still exhibit the same behaviors.

So, I'm going to look at everyone's suggestions. That Innokin T18/T22 setup seems nice for a pocketable, on-the-go vape, so I may go for that, and I also may try the Target 75w kit with the ceramic coils to try out Direct Lung again. The good thing with the Target is that I can seemingly use all of my existing tanks with it too, and also maybe try out the Triton Mini. I do like the way the Triton coils taste and perform, but yeah, the actual tanks themselves do kind of suck. Is there anything I should be wary about with the Target kit?

I've thought about the RBA/DIY type stuff, but I just don't think I'd like to move in that direction, at least not yet.

In terms of liquids, I do not mix my own or add additional nicotine, I buy them from the vape shop at that nicotine level. Maybe it's time to try a different vendor around the area. I primarily enjoy menthol tobacco or like a sweet, minty menthol flavor (so like, Peppermint for instance). I've been trying to look for a vendor that makes something close to what a Wint-O-Green lifesaver would taste like, just with a bit more of a menthol kick to it, but I've had no luck with that. I also enjoy candy/fruity/sweet type flavors, and that's what I would primarily use for direct lung vaping. Any suggestions on that front?

Again, thank you everyone! The last thing I want to do is go back to cigarettes, as my health has greatly improved in the last 12 months. Years ago, I tried kicking the habit with Blu cig-a-likes, then went back to smoking. Then I moved to Smokeless Image cig-a-likes, then went back to smoking. Then I moved to Evod VV batteries and Mini Pro Tank 2s, but also went back to smoking after a bit. This Eleaf and Nautilus setup is the first one I've had that has kept me smoke-free for a year, and I'd like to continue to find happiness in my vape. Thanks again!
 

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I use a subtank with a 1.5 ohm coil at 7-10watts with the AFC set to minimum and get a very satisfying MTL vape. I use the rba deck but the 1.5 ohm factory coil may give you what you are looking for. set at minimum power and increase it 0.5 watts at a time until you find the vape your looking for
 
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The variation in resistance readings you experience with the Triton tanks on the Eleaf 30W and 50W mods is the exact same variation in readings as you've described, that I've experienced with my Eleaf TC60W mod, so I think it is "normal". Apparently the Eleaf mods read the Eleaf tanks and coils best.

As far as the T18/T22 I mentioned, I can't stress how much more satisfied I am with the performance of the T18 over the T22. That's been my experience with two of each anyway ... and I'm vapeing on a T18 right now as I relax and check the interwebs.

The smaller T18 tank vape does get warmer on the lips slightly quicker than the T22 if you chain vape though both will get warm when chain vapeing because the dual coils are up high near the top (maybe that's why the flavor is outstanding on these things).

The T22 does more resemble a box mod if that matters or you just don't like pens ... and the T22 tank holds a little more juice but that's never made a bit difference to me because they both are so easy to fill anyway.
 
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perhaps more is less after all.

I find selecting a well designed tank/RDA and Mod, then spending time to get fully acquainted with and used to them, gives me the most satisfaction.
Same pretty much goes for e-liquids. Now I DIY I can design something I think I'll like and tune it until it is satisfying. I now have about a dozen flavors I can enjoy anytime and switch up as preferred.
 

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The second I went through my first OCC coil and the actual coil itself was fine and it was just the cotton/buildup that was crappy I looked at it and thought wow what a scam...

Get something you can rebuild and big pack of cotton, no need to get that fancy cotton most organic cotton will do for mouth to lung, I still use organic cotton balls from the local pharmacy.

I used to think RDA's were just for blowing clouds, all the ones when I first started vaping were meh flavor although it may have been just inexperience, but ever since I got this velocity clone flavor has been top notch, it's by far the easiest RDA I've had to build on and honestly with the airflow closed down all the way it gives great mouth to lung pulls, I tootle on it all day about 20 or so puffs a drip at 34 watts.

Now I carry a Subtank Mini with me when I'm out doing stuff and keep the Velocity(fasttech clone) at home and I couldn't be happier.
 
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The second I went through my first OCC coil and the actual coil itself was fine and it was just the cotton/buildup that was crappy I looked at it and thought wow what a scam…

Yeah, righhht! And if you pumped the volume up on those earlier ones that top scale looked like a tortoise shell atop the coil. Especially if you ramped up the power to encourage production. Posted my thoughts on why/how this might be happening here on the thread KangerTech SUBTANK Mini | Page 49 | Post #966. The OP describes its opposite though...under power/over wicking/poss short/cooking, "gurgles"...pretty effectively with the darkened juices explanation.

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Get something you can rebuild and big pack of cotton, no need to get that fancy cotton most organic cotton will do for mouth to lung, I still use organic cotton balls from the local pharmacy.

I used to think RDA's were just for blowing clouds, all the ones when I first started vaping were meh flavor although it may have been just inexperience, but ever since I got this velocity clone flavor has been top notch, it's by far the easiest RDA I've had to build on and honestly with the airflow closed down all the way it gives great mouth to lung pulls, I tootle on it all day about 20 or so puffs a drip at 34 watts.

Now I carry a Subtank Mini with me when I'm out doing stuff and keep the Velocity(fasttech clone) at home and I couldn't be happier.


With ya on the cotton. OP's got an ST. Mebe the best fiddly'n skew free two-point contact RDA base around. A day or so of practice with a pin vise, burning/oxidizing a contact coil…30 secs to wind, a few mins to drop in (and a few more if you must fiddle with the diaper)...Better position then to really say what works or don't and how on gear old and new. Don't handcuff you from tryin' every new prepack coil comes around the corner if you got the flow. Does tend to stop the facepalm when the sh!!t don't work. And right now it don't out of the box for many MTL vapers. Nother reason, watcha got is watcha got if they keep hammerin on us. Then y'all can borrow @inspects "squonker". :D

Just sayin'. Good luck all. :)
 
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Bumping my own thread...

I just want to again say thank you to everyone who gave some really great advice a couple of months ago!

After doing some more research, and seeing how IndoorSmokers and PBusardo both really liked the Innokin T18/T22, I decided to go for that. So I ordered two T22 systems, a bunch of extra coils, and found a few new liquids at the local vape shop that I liked.

...And I really like it! I'm still waiting for a sampler pack from Pocono Vapes, but I loaded up a 50/50 mix of a cherry energy drink flavor at 18mg, which I've had before in my Nautilus tanks, and wow...the taste on these Prism coils is top notch. Perhaps less IS more for certain people...I kind of enjoy having something so simple that can vape so well. Just about the only flaw I can find right now is that the vape is indeed a little on the hot side, but nothing too too bad. I feel like if this system was tuned to 13w instead of 14, it would be absolutely perfect, but other than that, for a simple, no-fuss mouth-to-lung experience, I'm really liking this thing so far. I was debating picking up a T18 as well, but decided just to have two T22s for now. The battery capacity is what turned me off on the T18, but it seems really nice for a more discrete vape.

I also picked up a couple of bakery flavors in 70VG/30PG just to use up the sub-Ohm coils for the tanks I already have, and I have to say, after moving up to 6MG nicotine, I find them a bit more satisfying in the SubTank Mini. Perhaps I wasn't using the right juice before, but I'm also now enjoying the direct lung hits. This has me thinking about picking up the Target VTC 75w kit now as well, to keep for home use (as I don't enjoy doing direct lung vaping while I'm out).

So a couple of questions about the Target mod now...is this still a good product? I also watched PBusardo's review of it and he mentioned being able to also set it up for mouth-to-lung style vaping, and that the coils were fantastic for all purposes, making the mod/tank/coil kit something that is truly versatile with really great flavor coming off of the ceramic coils. Is this truly the case?

Again, thank you all so much, I'm really enjoying these simple little Innokin mods!
 
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